So that's a no.

leave it to good old afrodope to miss the point :lol:

economy of scale seems lost on a few here :lol:
good grief

confused lefties dont know which way to turn when Tony beats them to the punch

What point? You had no point. You claimed that raising gas prices would force people on to public transport. You were asked to provide evidence of that claim. You didn't.

you want me to prove economies of scale? :lol:
go to bed you dope

I want you to provide evidence of a correlation between petrol price and public transport use.

I'm interested to know what you're classing as Lefties lol.

Also, are you Viper in disguise?

Haven't seen a Blythe multi this good in a while.

-PB

But thats the problem. In such a large country all it does it raise the cost of living. Higher fuel cost means a higher transport cost which means a higher end product cost. It just seems like a scheme to appease the greenies and to try and hurt high emitting companies. The problem with that being that high emissions cannot be avoided in many cases.

I heard the same that it went into income tax and the rest went into the general revenue pool. Can't remember where i heard it though.

A better and more accessible correlation in QLD would be that PT use remains the same because most people would rather drive and pay more than catch our horrific PT :lol:

It was late and I know he's trolling, but it's good practice for when you're talking to someone that actually matters :)

It was a hypothetical. Although what is not hypothetical is that fossil fuels are a finite resource and they WILL run out. It's not a matter of if but a matter of when. The thing is will it be hydrogen, electric, hybrid electric, hybrid compressed air or some other form that will take it's place. (If they can sort these batteries out it will be a game changer.)

The point is that currently there is no real economic driver for a hydrogen car setup at the moment because although petrol is expensive, it's not killer expensive yet to the point where people are considering change. For sure people whinge but to actually do something about it? Not yet.

Remember a few short years ago when petrol spiked? There was a huge demand for gas conversions of cars and the government even offered a $2k grant to do your own car. That's the sort of thing that will drive change.

The problem with hydrogen cars are that they are a chicken and egg thing. Should they build the refilling stations first or build the cars first. You can't have one without the other.

Yes the car would be expensive but that's only until scale of economies kick in. Look at the cost of a computer now compared to 10 years ago.

Change happens fast once tipping points are reached. There was no such thing as an iphone one minute and the next everybody had one. (Even though they're $600 + each.) It's incredible to think how ubiquitous smartphones have become and how little people think of having a dozen gadgets in their pocket rolled into one item.

Those cars will be expensive when they come out but within a few years they'll be on the second hand market and the trickle down will start.

We bought our car for $14k. Two and a half years after it sold for $38k off the shop floor. I've no doubt that change is coming with hydrogen cars. It'll start in a metro centre with a few service stations first and then as demand grows it's going to kick right off.

And then all those medieval $#%$s in the Middle East can go rot in hell.







Edited by munrubenmuz: 9/5/2014 08:55:50 AM

No the lefties wouldn't allow it because it would be a violation of our sovereignty.

It's a lot sounder than thousands of people drowning in the sea.

Time to start using terms like "Libertardian" and "Psycho Righties" etc.

-PB

So they can go back to indonesia and try again...and drown at sea.

To be honest, whilst I don't like this policy, I do like the fact that they have called Indonesia bluff on this.

Under Labour it was "nothing can be done", "it's an insult to Indonesia etc etc".

Seems something could be done after all.



Edited by munrubenmuz: 9/5/2014 10:04:21 AM

Oh really how many confirmed deaths at sea do we have since the coalition took over government?

I don't think anyone likes the policy, there is just no rosy milk and cookies sunshine and rainbows the left want. They tried the "compassionate" route when Labor government dismantled the pacific solution but that only causing thousands of people to be locked up in detention centers, damaged our Navy fleet and death and misery for thousands of drowned asylum seekers and their devastated families. We didn't have nationwide vigils for those poor folk though, I guess everyone was saving their crocodile tears for that one Iranian dude.

There's a lot about the whole boat people thing I don't like regards the Liberal and Labour positions but what shit me more than anything was this whole carry on was going on under Indonesia's nose and they did nothing about it.

As if you could have hundreds of refugees parked down at the Cooktown or Cairns wharves without anyone knowing anything about it. It's no surprise they're one of the most corrupt countries on earth.

"We don't have the boats to patrol the coastline", "we can't police the ports" blah blah.

Australia turns a couple of boats around and what's the first thing Indonesia does? Sends out a navy boat to patrol their maritime border. What!!! Hey, they had boats all along.

Funny that.



Edited by munrubenmuz: 9/5/2014 10:21:50 AM

Shroedinger's asylum seeker.

Looking forward to next Tuesday night.

-PB

Hard to say seeing as they don't divulge any information ;)

-PB

I guess its's because there's nothing to divulge ;)

ever heard of buses?

then obviously then the fuel excise is a good thing because you can easily afford it

excuses :-({|=

What a weak cop out. You're obviously just too afraid to deal with the facts.

-PB

I like your progression of thought, I'm not convinced that Australia is a good choice to start this change, our Asian neighbours and Europe have a much better chance of creating a successful economic driver to achieving these end since that's where the cars are made. But your argument is very convincing!

ever heard of buses?