The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese

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Back in my day a wingnut was someone in the RAAF.

Now it's a insult for someone who knows what he is talking about.

How things have changed.


Member since 2008.


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notorganic wrote:
Brilliant, even the denials were coordinated.


look at Elliot go!
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"Clive palmer to support scrapping the carbon tax"

Lmao The lefties thought he was on their side
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ricecrackers wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
DB-PGFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
-Copper networks are degrading over time and costing a lot more in maintenance and upkeep
-Greenfields construction areas have been fibre already for years
-Fibre is the natural progression of technology as a medium for data transmission
-More and more technologies are now IP based
-One of the benefits of fibre is jamming more bandwidth through it but mainly is its transmission distances
-International links are transceiver dependent moreso than medium dependent

List goes on, yada yada yada.

Checkmate.

Get over it.

-PB


the taxpayer shouldnt fund it
get that into your head then get over it


Yet we used to before government sold off Telstra which has proven to be a fatal mistake.

You say the taxpayer shouldn't fund it, yet we still are with an ageing out of date copper network.

You seem to have this hate against fibre for the reason of people downloading movies, not because it is becoming an integral service like water, electricity and sewage.

-PB



the false dilemma seems to be a typical theme with you.
however, the taxpayer neednt fund something that is primarily going to be used for downloading movies because thats whats going to take up most of the bandwidth, i can guarantee that.

going from 25mb/s to 100mb/s is not essential to infrastructure.
of course telstra are going to whinge about the ageing infrastructure. thats how they get billions of dollars from the government.

so naive.



Why do you keep paring 100mb/s to 25mb/s? I agree in a way that 100mb/s is pretty useless overkill. But no way in fuck is pretty much anyone in the country getting anywhere near 25mb/s. We are in need of an urgent upgrade before it becomes even more expensive.


comparing typical best case vs typical best case for arguments sake

you wont get 100 with fiber either in practice

most in the country are probably getting 10 to 20.
quite decent for majority of applications. no way in the world every street in the nation needs fiber.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



-PB


95 < 100 last time i checked

didnt you learn that in grade 1 maths?


Was waiting for you to say this as it shows your complete lack of knowledge on networking :lol:

You can never hit the full 100 due to a thing called TCP overheads, Google it.

Crackhead down, repeat we have a crackhead down.

Just stop posting about the NBN :lol:

-PB


no fucking shit
which is why i said you wont get 100 in the first place

you're mentally ill


LOL

Yes, because you referenced things like TCP overheads rofl.

You got fucking served son.

Off to other threads ya go.

-PB


why would i need to go into that when its not even central to the discussion?
you're a snotty IT nerd who thinks he's a king shit know it all, but you probably work in a call centre in reality

you dont know half of what you think you know

you're desperately trying to demonstrate your expertise when all you're doing is highlighting how much of a wingnut you are


I would throw you a lifeline because of the shit you are drowning in but this is too funny :lol:

P.S. I'm an IT Manager, not of a call centre, but yes I know my shit :lol:

Poor Ricey has cracked it at last. The smell of defeat clogging his nostrils, however will he survive.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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paulbagzFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
DB-PGFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
-Copper networks are degrading over time and costing a lot more in maintenance and upkeep
-Greenfields construction areas have been fibre already for years
-Fibre is the natural progression of technology as a medium for data transmission
-More and more technologies are now IP based
-One of the benefits of fibre is jamming more bandwidth through it but mainly is its transmission distances
-International links are transceiver dependent moreso than medium dependent

List goes on, yada yada yada.

Checkmate.

Get over it.

-PB


the taxpayer shouldnt fund it
get that into your head then get over it


Yet we used to before government sold off Telstra which has proven to be a fatal mistake.

You say the taxpayer shouldn't fund it, yet we still are with an ageing out of date copper network.

You seem to have this hate against fibre for the reason of people downloading movies, not because it is becoming an integral service like water, electricity and sewage.

-PB



the false dilemma seems to be a typical theme with you.
however, the taxpayer neednt fund something that is primarily going to be used for downloading movies because thats whats going to take up most of the bandwidth, i can guarantee that.

going from 25mb/s to 100mb/s is not essential to infrastructure.
of course telstra are going to whinge about the ageing infrastructure. thats how they get billions of dollars from the government.

so naive.



Why do you keep paring 100mb/s to 25mb/s? I agree in a way that 100mb/s is pretty useless overkill. But no way in fuck is pretty much anyone in the country getting anywhere near 25mb/s. We are in need of an urgent upgrade before it becomes even more expensive.


comparing typical best case vs typical best case for arguments sake

you wont get 100 with fiber either in practice

most in the country are probably getting 10 to 20.
quite decent for majority of applications. no way in the world every street in the nation needs fiber.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



-PB


95 < 100 last time i checked

didnt you learn that in grade 1 maths?


Was waiting for you to say this as it shows your complete lack of knowledge on networking :lol:

You can never hit the full 100 due to a thing called TCP overheads, Google it.

Crackhead down, repeat we have a crackhead down.

Just stop posting about the NBN :lol:

-PB


no fucking shit
which is why i said you wont get 100 in the first place

you're mentally ill


LOL

Yes, because you referenced things like TCP overheads rofl.

You got fucking served son.

Off to other threads ya go.

-PB


why would i need to go into that when its not even central to the discussion?
you're a snotty IT nerd who thinks he's a king shit know it all, but you probably work in a call centre in reality

you dont know half of what you think you know

you're desperately trying to demonstrate your expertise when all you're doing is highlighting how much of a wingnut you are


I would throw you a lifeline because of the shit you are drowning in but this is too funny :lol:

P.S. I'm an IT Manager, not of a call centre, but yes I know my shit :lol:

Poor Ricey has cracked it at last. The smell of defeat clogging his nostrils, however will he survive.

-PB


you have no management expertise, i can tell that by reading the rubbish you post.
cool story.
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The FTTP can do at the moment up to 1000/400 by the way.

The shit copper FTTN will be lucky to break 100.
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#paulbagz
looks after a server in some tiny business like a fish and chip shop in a hick town
calls himself an IT manager

LOL

delusions of grandeur
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lukerobinho wrote:
"Clive palmer to support scrapping the carbon tax"

Lmao The lefties thought he was on their side


Lefties don't have a side. Being on a side is too mainstream and not anti-establishment enough for the philosophy :lol:
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Munrubenmuz wrote:
Back in my day a wingnut was someone in the RAAF.

Now it's a insult for someone who knows what he is talking about.

How things have changed.

A Wingnut is someone who holds extreme political views to the point where they sound borderline insane. Suffice to say this is less appropriately applied to PB and more so to ricecrackers.

I'd actually love to know what ricecrackers does for a job. Since he's been able to be on here arguing all day he must work very hard. I mean, it must be a very difficult job which requires vast amounts of intelligence if he's so smart that he knows more about what PB does than PB himself.

Ricecrackers knows so much about the internet he thinks 'hick town' fish and chip shops have business servers. Champ, the only server in a fish and chip shop is the bloke behind the counter.
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some of these fish and chip shop owners have delusions of grandeur too.
they think they need an 'IT manager' (snotty IT kid who knows how to connect a router) to look after their MYOB
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*What ricecrackers thinks*

Reality
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Joe Hockey says 'we can't promise equality' as he dismisses budget critics


Opponents are 'drifting into 70s class warfare' and only 'old-style socialism can deliver uniform outcomes' for people

Lenore Taylor, political editor


theguardian.com, Wednesday 11 June 2014 19.40 AEST   

Treasurer Joe Hockey said high earners could say the current tax system is unfair.


Governments should only help citizens to life’s “starting line” and could never promise “equality in outcomes”, treasurer Joe Hockey has said, dismissing claims the federal budget is “unfair” as misguided “old-style socialism”.


In a speech to the Sydney Institute on Wednesday, Hockey directly addressed the central attack against his budget by opposition parties, welfare groups, students, pensioners, doctors and even former Liberal leader John Hewson – that it was inequitable.

He said high income earners or companies could just as easily argue the current situation in which their taxes fund an “unsustainable” welfare system was “unfair”.

“Criticism of our strategy has been political in nature and has drifted to 1970s class warfare lines, claiming the budget is 'unfair’ or that the 'rich don’t contribute enough'," he said.

“Tonight I want to address the claim that the budget is unfair and exacerbates inequality. This misguided cry is made on the claim that not everyone is asked to contribute equally and that in the future some people will pay more for government services or receive less in payments.

“The truth is governments have never been able to achieve equality of outcomes. Some governments try but they always fail. Only in a closed economy, based on old style socialism, can a government hope to deliver uniform equality of outcomes.

“We have moved on...In our view it is the responsibility of government to provide equality of opportunity with a fair and comprehensive support system for those who are most vulnerable. After that it is up to individuals in the community to accept personal responsibility for their lives and their destiny.

“Our first budget is based on the premise that it is fair to expect those who have the capacity to pay, should accept more personal responsibility for their cost of living, the cost of raising their children, their health services and their education,” he argued.

And he said the current “unsustainable” welfare system saw the Australian government spend on average over $6,000 on welfare for every man, woman and child and meant that “the average working Australian, be they a cleaner, a plumber or a teacher, is working over one month full time each year just to pay for the welfare of another Australian” and that 10% of the population paid two thirds of all income tax and 2% of the population paid more than a quarter.

“Maybe these taxpayers would argue that the tax system is already unfair,” Hockey said, adding a similar charge could be paid by companies paying higher rates of company tax than other jurisdictions.

“Our duty is to help Australians to get to the starting line, while accepting that some will run faster than others….it is not the role of government to use the taxation and welfare system as a tool to “level the playing field”.

“We must use the levers of government to help those who are vulnerable and frail. A just and fair society never leaves anyone behind. But a just and fair society must not seek to penalise those who aspire to be better,” he said.

The charge that the budget is unfair has come from many quarters, including Hewson, who argued on Wednesday that it was characterised by “obvious inequity”. The Australian Council of Social Security found that more than $19bn of the $37bn in budget savings came from reductions in spending on programs theat mainly assist low and middle income earners and only $5.7 billion came from tax increases or savings in programs mainly benefiting people on high incomes.

An analysis by the Crawford school at the Australian National University also found that lowest income workers would suffer the most pain from the budget.

State premiers, doctors, community and welfare groups, most vice-chancellors, students, pensioners, scientists, researchers, Indigenous groups, some government backbenchers and businessman David Gonski have also said some parts of the budget are ill-thought through or unfair.

Long serving Nationals Senator Ron Boswell told News Corp many people thought it had “an equity problem...That’s falling on the lower-income earners, more so than the high-income earners or middle-income earners.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/11/hockey-dismisses-budget-critics
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“Our first budget is based on the premise that it is fair to expect those who have the capacity to pay, should accept more personal responsibility for their cost of living, the cost of raising their children, their health services and their education,” he argued.

"And those who don't have the capacity to pay can get fucked and die in a gutter" he continued.
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socialists angry again
situation normal
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“Our first budget is based on the premise that it is fair to expect those who have the capacity to pay, should accept more personal responsibility for their cost of living, the cost of raising their children, their health services and their education,” he argued.


Seems reasonable, why didn't you do it....
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ricecrackers wrote:
#paulbagz
looks after a server in some tiny business like a fish and chip shop in a hick town
calls himself an IT manager

LOL

delusions of grandeur


Actually I manage a network that has 1500+ users every day, but hey you know everything about me :lol:

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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paulbagzFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
#paulbagz
looks after a server in some tiny business like a fish and chip shop in a hick town
calls himself an IT manager

LOL

delusions of grandeur


Actually I manage a network that has 1500+ users every day, but hey you know everything about me :lol:

-PB


you said you were an IT manager. at best you're a snotty team leader who thinks he's made it.

delusions of grandeur


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ricecrackers wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
#paulbagz
looks after a server in some tiny business like a fish and chip shop in a hick town
calls himself an IT manager

LOL

delusions of grandeur


Actually I manage a network that has 1500+ users every day, but hey you know everything about me :lol:

-PB


you said you were an IT manager. at best you're a snotty team leader who thinks he's made it.

delusions of grandeur


It's pathetic the way you've attacked the occupation of so many forum members but refuse to disclose what you do for a living.
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I didnt ask for his occupation.

He volunteered it because he thought it would support his argument that the taxpayer should foot the $50 billion bill for an NBN.

Talk about missing the point entirely, but i'm happy for him to continually embarrass himself by such pointless big noting.
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I don't care, I'm asking for yours. Qualify your opinions with something other than that gaping cut under your nose.
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afromanGT wrote:
I don't care, I'm asking for yours. Qualify your opinions with something other than that gaping cut under your nose.


I think we've crystallized your entire your problem in a nutshell. You cannot think for yourself therefore you refer every piece of thinking to a higher authority.

You must get ripped off a lot.
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ricecrackers wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
I don't care, I'm asking for yours. Qualify your opinions with something other than that gaping cut under your nose.


I think we've crystallized your entire your problem in a nutshell. You cannot think for yourself therefore you refer every piece of thinking to a higher authority.

You must get ripped off a lot.

Stop trying to misdirect. If you're going to attack others and dismiss them for their occupation then it's only fair that you're held to the same standard. Otherwise you're just a bottom feeding c*nt.

And I think we all know what the answer here is.
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afromanGT wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
I don't care, I'm asking for yours. Qualify your opinions with something other than that gaping cut under your nose.


I think we've crystallized your entire your problem in a nutshell. You cannot think for yourself therefore you refer every piece of thinking to a higher authority.

You must get ripped off a lot.

Stop trying to misdirect. If you're going to attack others and dismiss them for their occupation then it's only fair that you're held to the same standard. Otherwise you're just a bottom feeding c*nt.

And I think we all know what the answer here is.


that mental case has been attacking me for the past 3 days with spurious nonsense, i'm sure as hell not going to volunteer any personal information but i do reserve the right to reply in any way i see fit

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Me thinks the mental case is you ricecrackers . You know jack shit but people who do , got shot down due to your thinking of no , I know better . Like I said what's your view on the n.c.c and no its not the first thing on Google you idiot .
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Far out, reading what Tone has gotten up to while overseas.

Has there ever been a Prime Minister who has embarrassed us so much in so little of time in one trip overseas?

Need to not let this guy out of the country anymore.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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Am now convinced that Tone is an uber-level troll and as such I might like him for that :lol:

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PM Tony Abbott is touring the world; meanwhile, Australians cringe, mortified, wondering what international ignominy he will bring upon their nation next. Alan Austin reports from France.

WITH PM TONY ABBOTT on a tour of Indonesia, Europe, Canada and the United States, the embarrassments for both him and Australia are mounting.

Few newsrooms here in France bothered to mention Abbott’s visit yesterday to commemorate the D-Day landing 70 years ago with other heads of state.

One journal which did, Le Point, wrote scathingly of Abbott’s offensive D-Day speech, which allocated just 30 seconds to the historic military event. Then – enchaîne directement sur les intérêts économiques – linked this directly to his economic self-interest.

The journal hopes that Abbott regrette déjà ses paroles (will now regret his words).

A Message from the PM Visit to France, Canada & United States of America Play Video
Abbott’s tawdry effort – regurgitating election slogans to boost his failing career – contrasted starkly with U.S. president Barack Obama’s profoundly moving address yesterday at Omaha Beach in Normandy.

Obama used the occasion to call the world to resist “temptation to pursue narrow self-interest” but instead seek “common endeavour”.

Had Obama’s advisers alerted him to Abbott’s lame lecture? Probably.

Abbott’s ignorance and crassness caused dismay among U.S. and other foreign affairs observers well before he became prime minister in September.

They continued on his first day in office, when he cancelled the sound appointment of former Victorian premier Steve Bracks as Australia’s next consul-general in New York.

They have accelerated since. Virtually without a break.

His foray into international economic affairs at Davos, Switzerland, in January was mortifyingly embarrassing.

Tony Abbott discusses mountain climbing with Klaus Schwab Play Video
Since then, virtually all references to Abbott here in Europe have been negative, often describing him as le moine fou (the mad monk) or le roi de la gaffe (king of the blunder).

Le Figaro reported Abbott’s disastrous attempt to sell the May budget, including the notorious clumsy wink – clin d'oeil maladroit – to Jon Faine on ABC Radio. It added that Abbott is réputé pour ses gaffes (famous for his blunders).

Abbott’s brief and – so far – relatively gaffe-free visit to France on Thursday and Friday followed another dismal failure with Indonesia on Wednesday.

The latest stage in this sorry saga began with Abbott’s last minute cancellation of a scheduled May meeting in Bali with President Bambang Yudhoyono.

The fake reason for the no-show was that Abbott was working on the budget. As if.

The real reason was to avoid a humiliating dressing down over yet another boat tow-back the Indonesians had intercepted.

Tony Abbott cancels Indonesia meeting over 'on water operation' Play Video
In a phonecall late in May, Yudhoyono issued Abbott’s instructions:

“It would be very good if we can meet in June.”
That phonecall was listened to by a number of Indonesians in the presidential suite who no doubt enjoyed hearing the inept Australian PM squirm. The exchange was recorded by journalists present and a transcript placed on an Indonesian website.

Australia’s long-suffering foreign affairs, trade and military professionals have been anxious to repair relations fractured last year by the offensive boat tow-backs, the insulting non-apology by Abbott and foreign minister Julie Bishop following revelations of historic phone-tapping and several promises to regional neighbours since broken.

And so on Wednesday Abbott arrived on remote Batam Island, where the president was attending a Qur’an recitation contest.

If Abbott’s entourage had hoped this would be the occasion to sign the anticipated code of conduct on spying operations and normalise military, intelligence, trade and immigration relations, they were to be disappointed yet again.


It turned out to be just another meeting where the Australian leader mouthed more grovelling apologies for his government’s serial ineptitude and promised to be better in the future.

Or, to use Abbott’s words:

“... pay my respects and build on the relationship."
All this – in Indonesia and now in France – took place during the week Abbott’s international humiliation reached heights seldom scaled by any national leader anywhere, with the possible exception of Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi.

A satirical news report aired first in the US last Sunday night soon went viral on the internet:

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO): Tony Abbott, President of the USA of Australia Play Video
English comic news commentator John Oliver, formerly of the Daily Show with Jon Stewart, now presents the weekly Last Week Tonight on US pay TV channel HBO.

His segment on “hard line, right wing Tony Abbott” is a devastating slam. But it’s virtually all Abbott’s own work. Plus – unless you are a rusted on Abbott fan – it’s hilarious.

All these recent foreign affairs clangers add to the impressive twenty serious stuff-ups in Abbott’s first 100 days, recorded here before Christmas.

Those were:

The theft of Timor Leste’s documents.
Julie Bishop’s inept criticisms of China’s defence zone.
Mishandling the matter of the West Irian activists who scaled the wall of Australia’s consulate in Bali.
Abbott’s grovelling “act of contrition” towards Malaysia.
Cancelling Steve Bracks’ appointment as consul-general in New York.
Insulting the British by appointing disgraced former foreign minister and failed diplomat Alexander Downer as high commissioner.
Welching on an agreement with Japan and New Zealand to protect the critically endangered southern bluefin tuna.
Julie Bishop breaking her promise to make her first visit as foreign minister to PNG.
The disastrous mishandling of relations with Indonesia, as analysed here, here, here, here and elsewhere.
Obstructing climate talks by refusing to send a senior MP to the UN meeting in Warsaw. Then damaging “bad behaviour” by the delegation.
Savage aid cuts, seriously affecting poor people in Australia’s region and beyond.
Defying the 158 nation United Nations majority on Jewish settlements in occupied Palestinian territories.
Refusing to support calls by Britain’s David Cameron and others on human rights abuses in Sri Lanka.
Condoning torture by repressive regimes “sometimes, in difficult circumstances”.
Bewildering economic mismanagement: “The alarm bells about the Abbott government are becoming deafening. And they are ringing around the world.”
Abbott’s “cringe-worthy” sycophantic monarchism.
Demonising asylum seekers by insisting refugees are labelled “illegals”.
Physical abuse of innocent refugees.
Violating the International Refugee Convention by returning refugees without proper screening.
Boat deaths when mayday broadcasts from a stricken vessel were ignored.

That was twenty serious disasters then. There have been many more since.

And Abbott is yet to arrive in the US where he has already given offence on previous visits.

The one winner in all this, of course, is Steve Bracks. He doesn’t face the indignity of having to try to explain or excuse Tony Abbott and his hapless regime to the bemused Americans.


http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbott-embarrasses-australia-abroad--again,6553#.U5gj5PcW0AE.facebook

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“Our first budget is based on the premise that it is fair to expect those who have the capacity to pay, should accept more personal responsibility for their cost of living, the cost of raising their children, their health services and their education,” he argued.

"And those who don't have the capacity to pay can get fucked and die in a gutter" he continued.


Those who can pay also accept responsibility for those who can't afford to pay.
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afromanGT wrote:
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“Our first budget is based on the premise that it is fair to expect those who have the capacity to pay, should accept more personal responsibility for their cost of living, the cost of raising their children, their health services and their education,” he argued.

"And those who don't have the capacity to pay can get fucked and die in a gutter" he continued.


Those who can pay also accept responsibility for those who can't afford to pay.


Why not, isn't that part of living in a fair and just society, many people need newstart assistance for short periods of time in their lives through little fault of their own...and for the rest of their working lives they pay taxes and help share the load.
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Go on Tone, tell Obama all bout your Climate Change policy or lack thereof.

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