Australian jobs are so well paid that the best minds are drawn elsewhere in the pursuit of income.

not everyone chooses their profession based on income.

although im not going to say that it doesnt influence it, i'd argue that the vast majority of 'the best minds' would be choosing where to put their time based on their interest in that area rather than the money.

Of the 150 seats in the lower house something like 140 of sitting MP's have a degree in either business or law. That's a pretty embarrassing over-representation of one white collar segment of society.

At the end of they day it's about money, that's why it's a job and not a hobby. But why would any of these community leaders, people earning several million dollars a year turn to politics and earn a tenth of that?

Tony Abbott's "Jesus face found on piece of toast" moment. :lol:

Edited by SocaWho: 25/8/2014 11:32:40 PM

Sorry guys, this has to be stopped, they're using the fear of an 'attack' to get extra data from us. The last Ded Govt was crap and had to go but disagree with the current Fed Govt on this idea.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/metadata-storage-wishlist-revealed/story-e6frg8yo-1227036629287?from=public_rss&utm_source=The%20Australian&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial&net_sub_uid=34830747

THE Attorney-General’s Department has drawn up a confidential wishlist of the metadata it wants to capture — including financial records, home and ­internet-protocol addresses and download volumes — as part of the government’s plan to ­impose a data-retention scheme on large telecommunications companies.

Confidential consultations with the companies — including Telstra, Optus and iiNet — commenced late last week with the circulation of a paper that has been obtained by The Australian. It articulates for the first time what type of data the ­Attorney-General’s Department wants telecommunications companies and internet service providers to store.

Edited by wamackie: 26/8/2014 01:32:48 PM

I know i'm going to get bombarded here, but what's the big deal? Do people have something to hide?

Look at the USA and Prism for all the drama you need.

-PB

Even if you ignore the misuse and abuse of the data by the intended authorities that have control of it and trust them completely, asking every ISP to store the data is a risk in itself. If it's not secured appropriately (and that's a difficult problem in itself) you run the risk of it falling into the hands of people that may have more malicious uses for it.

it's not anyone's business what i have or don't have to hide. that's the issue. the fucking all controlling, all intrusive bullshit government attempts to control people with laws that have little evidence base.

as long as im not majorly fucking with someone else's rights, i have the right to be left alone to make of this life what i choose. they forget that this style of government is an extended experiment which has deviated life on earth (mostly for the better) and they should not treat their lofty power positions as a cock wield to tell people what to do and what to believe. probably went off track but i stand by it.

God damn, you're the most statist person I've seen.

It's not the issue that I've got something to hide, I just don't want someone reading my fucking email. Simples.

Not to mention the cost.

Are the government going to reimburse ISP's for all those datacenters?

-PB

Nothing. So they'll just add a "Internet Tax" onto their bills and send them all out to their clients.

The Government doesn't know what material you are viewing on the internet, just that you have been visiting www.trannylovingfaggotsrapingcats.com

Or alternatively look at 442 and jismonkey.com for all the lefty scream-monkey for a shrill response to anything you chose

It just really doesn't bother me. People are so wrapped up in a 'rights' based society at the moment. I really don't care if tony knows that I got an email from eBay about the latest offers, or that I reckon mr bean's daughter is a complete babe...

What if they came to completely the wrong conclusions about you?

Edited by mcjules: 27/8/2014 12:36:32 AM

If true this is a a very ordinary outlook for my kids that I had hoped would go to university one day.

Why aren't more people jumping up and down about this?

Because Baby Boomers don't care, they're not the ones going to University.

The ones that do care, happen to be at Uni right now and get labelled as the "lefty filth" etc etc.

That and how they go about things can be viewed as "the wrong way" sometimes (e.g. breaking barricades @ Adelaide University).

It's stupid for the media to come down on them for protesting though considering things like that were all the norm in the past.

-PB

wasn't it Labor who introduced HECS???

Their mentality is indicative of the boomer generation - I've had mine and fuck you you can't have yours. And they call us the entitled generation...

Exactly right EG, it’s my right to privacy that I want to protect. If the Govt feel I am doing something wrong, get a warrant and talk to my legal representatives. Otherwise, no need for them to even know.

NOW, the document below was produced in 1948, just after World War 2, it’s the UN Basic Human Rights Policy. It’s worth a read, some people seem to have forgotten this document exists.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
PREAMBLE

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.


Article 1.

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2.

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3.

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 4.

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Article 5.

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6.

Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7.

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8.

Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10.

Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11.

(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

Article 12.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.


Article 14.

(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 15.

(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

Article 16.

(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Article 17.

(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

Article 21.

(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

Article 22.

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 23.

(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Article 24.

Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

Article 25.

(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Article 26.

(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27.

(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28.

Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

Article 29.

(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 30.

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

The baby boomers are the most entitled generation in history.

Yes and HECS is the reason why people are able to even go to University.

Deregulation would make everything far more expensive.

-PB

Not sure what your point is? No one here is a Labor cheerleader :-k

You may also be surprised that there maybe people here that might not be "far left" on every issue :o

Edited by mcjules: 27/8/2014 01:00:30 PM

Baby Boomers got fucking every entitlement and benefit under the sun, ended up fucking up the economy and then go on to blame everyone else but themselves for todays societal issues. It doesn't matter to them that their shit is ruining it for everyone else.

With payments maxing out at the princely sum of $1,800 until Howard came along, yes.

I suppose none here come from baby boomer parents :lol:

My parents are baby boomers.

and the people of today seem to think they should have it too.....