It just some flags lads. There are bigger issues than some flags. Flags aren't the problem. No need to be terrified by mere flags.

I don't have a Masters but I have an Honours degree in CompSci and Applied Mathematics (the other piece of the puzzle when it comes to doing analysis on this sort of data). I also have 10+ years experience working with metadata discovery and analysis. Now please honour my request :)

After trying to dishonestly misrepresent an image of a PM with a flag, it's a bit rich for you to try take the high ground.

So tempting to invoke Godwin's Law here (I guess that's a subtle way of doing just that) :lol:

Shame on you

Is Hitler getting a headjob?

You said it Julie

Do you have any expertise in regards to national security and counter terrorism? Perhaps then you should be silent when these things are discussed.

Perhaps you misrepresented the image of flags at the PMs press conference. Perhaps they were placed there by AFP officials, perhaps that is normally the number of flags on the podium, perhaps they were placed there strategically not as a call to war but in response to the PM's perceived loyalties to the monarchy.

So the government has guaranteed that retained data can only be used in matters of terrorism, and not any other criminal matters? And that they accept full legal responsibilities and liabilities if this data is gained by hackers or used for any non terrorism preventing purposes?

They have people who do this for a living. Right down to his make-up, stylist, suit-maker, speech coaches, carpets, lighting etc. Its chest beating nationalism. But it doesn't worry me that much because every leader in the world does it. Its the norm.

:lol: I defer to the what the attorney generals department have admitted before the senate that there is no evidence that data retention has lead to increased security against terrorists.

Except now that they are using the old "someone think of teh childrenz" argument to try and get it over the line, as if any child porn would be picked up by the program.

As soon as it goes in, the majority use will be prosecuting people who download game of thrones.

I defer to the boss of ASIO who says data retention is a critical measure in identifying and preventing terrorist attacks before they occur. He's probably got more expertise than you in the field of counter terrorism.

Simply put, his opinion is up against empirical fact and case studies that conclusively show that it's useless for the publicly stated purpose... So I don't care what he thinks, I want evidence based policy over authoritarian feelpinions.

I wouldn't have a problem if they broadened its implementation to crack down on other crimes.

I just don't see how it infringes on my civil liberties massively, to an extent that it would "destroy my freedom", as I would be able to do on the internet what I'm currently doing without any fear of prosecution, since I do nothing illegal on the internet. If my data was recorded and viewed by some temp in government HQ it wouldn't really bother me.

Tony Abbott compared to Shylock in campaign to repay tsunami aide with bali nine stay of execution

And you know what? Its funny because its true! :lol:

What? Shylock was the kosher in Shakespeare's the Merchant of Venice...

*sees blank stares all around*

^

I wonder do people who fret about data retention have the same scruples when it comes to telecommunications companies storing their phone call metadata such as time, location and duration of phones calls made and received being easily accessed by Telstra billing and sales staff? Or how about banks who store your personal and banking details such as transactions made , the amount, the time and the location and this data being viewed by unqualified staff with limited training, or potentially even accessed by hackers?

All bound by the privacy act and police need a warrant to get it.

Nice try though, ultimately you're demonstrating how little you know about policy, legislation and the freedoms and privacy you take for granted.

Except black Islamic flags in the windows of cafes in Sydney.

-PB

And what does that have to do with data retention not working to stop terrorism?

-PB

a) I didn't post the image, I just called you out on pulling the Gillard picture out of your Liberal Party resource file out of context.
b) There is any number of pictures of Abbott doing joint press conferences with the AFP with far less Australian flags eg




Are you trying to argue that Peta Credlin picks Tony's ties for him, but doesn't control the backdrop and imagery for a major announcement?

At what stage does rusty get written off as a fairly elaborate and dedicated troll?

I still wanna know more about this Peta bird.

Seems to be the puppet master lol.

-PB

It might be "bound" by the privacy Act but those details are certainly accessible by employees within those organisations, who don't need a warrant to access your data, and some whom might have malicious intent. Do you worry about such infringement on your privacy? Do you consider it trampling on your civil liberties? The data retention proposals would enable law enforcement and security agencies similar access to your private details in the same way telecommunications and banking staff can access your private details.

Have you noticed though that there is a peculiar shortage of images of Prime Minister press conferences involving wide shots of the podium? It's almost like they took a special shot just for TA. Google Rudd and Gillard and you'll see what I mean.

Two flags seems to be the norm for Abbott, Rudd and Gillard. The overkill on this occasion seems to be deliberate.

It doesn't mean there were only two flags, only two were captured in the frame.

The wide shot of the podium may have been deliberate.