The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese

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I wonder what's worse, a politician that can't remember a number in response to a pop quiz question in an interview, or a politician that doesn't even read the report he's chairing a senate committee for? :-k

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mcjules wrote:
I wonder what's worse, a politician that can't remember a number in response to a pop quiz question in an interview, or a politician that doesn't even read the report he's chairing a senate committee for? :-k

Why should he read a blatantly partisan report only designed to cover up the stellar job that the government has done to push through the ultimate human rights legislation, stopping hundreds of thousands of brown people that Labor didn't care about from dying at sea???

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Wow.

So last night on QandA there was a single bloke who bravely spoke about his experience of being abused and emasculated by his female partner, it was quickly glossed over and the discussion was brought back to teh womyns.

Then this tweet:
https://twitter.com/JulieEMcKay/status/569824043794194432
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Male victims of violence undoubtably need support and protection. But for one hour, can we discuss male violence against women...#qanda


*facepalm*

The problem with domestic violence discussion and policy is that we do only talk about women (and sometimes children, providing that they are not teenage boys) victims.

There was a bit of man-shaming going on at my local MP's facebook page this morning after linking a story about the Andrews government here in Victoria making the populist "tough on blokes bashing their wives" statements, so I put up the following:
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Simon Santosha made some great points on QandA last night, it's good to see some new voices and thoughts around holistic and integrated interventions to family violence & abuse.

I agree with NSD on a lot of things, but cannot support her assertion that family violence is a gendered issue when all independent research says otherwise and shows that intimate partner violence & abuse is largely mutual. This is not to diminish the manifestation of very real fatal and tragic outcomes of domestic homicide that ultimately affect women at a much higher rate.

So much of the focus of the rhetoric around IPV is to vilify and shame all men, of whom many also suffer emotional, psychological and physical abuse from their partners themselves.

Family violence is a complex and individually nuanced issue that brushes up against other misunderstood areas of issue such as mental illness, depression, economic pressures, broken families, social alienation and education, so I'm quite sad to see more black and white finger pointing from our new Premier.


Of course this was dogpiled by feminists with some pretty callous and unfair attacks on the character of Simon Santosha who has had a career of doing a huge amount of work to minimise family violence.

The more I see of Rosie Battie in public, the more I feel sorry for her. She had a horrific thing happen to her, and her plight has been completely taken over by gender ideologues. She caught herself a few times nearly straying into the area that had the biggest catalyst in Luke's death - mental illness and the failure of authorities to act on the warning signs.
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That last comment :lol:
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Mental illness and domestic violence go hand and hand. First hand experinced it. Sadly the neo fems will assert that its a massive cop out.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Mental illness and domestic violence go hand and hand. First hand experinced it. Sadly the neo fems will assert that its a massive cop out.

Ultimately any legislation or program that targets one side of an issue and screams that it is solely the problem while actively working against the issue being discussed from a holistic societal point of view is doomed to fall on deaf ears.

As terrible as it is to compare the two, it's actually a similar philosophical dilemma as what IS presents... but that's an argument that I haven't quite formulated properly yet so won't go too far into it.
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http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-angers-backbench-with-dismissive-slapdown-20150224-13nchd.html

The Age - Except wrote:
Tony Abbott has done nothing to salve discontent on his backbench with a dismissive party-room "slap-down" of MPs who advocated a less combative approach to the issue of children in immigration detention, by telling voters how successful the Coalition had been in reducing the number of minors locked up.


Continuing the attempted to bash on Triggs when Tonez' bulldog has already been outed as trying to bribe her to resign is not going to end well for him... especially when his party is telling giving him very good advice on how to handle the matter.
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I'm far from a MRA and I thought in general last night's Q&A was excellent, however I agree with you that I didn't really like NSD's response to the guy who had been suffering. I think it's fair enough that more resources and effort should be put into dealing with the issue of violent men abusing women as the worst outcomes (i.e. death) tend to come out of those but there at least has to be some resources towards the general issue. One that's completely nondiscriminatory to any one that's suffering whether they be female-female, male-female, female-male or male-male.

It's good that the topic is getting some attention though, so many people suffer in silence.

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I heard NSD say last night despite 1/3rd of domestic violence victims being men that domestic violence was "overwhelmingly" a gender issue where man is the perpetrator and woman is the victim. How does she extrapolate from 2/3 of victims being women that it is soley a woman's issue to the entire exclusion of male victims from the conversation? It was excruciating watching her pay lip service to that abused mans questions and then use to reaffirm societies prejudice that male victims of domestic violence are basically worthless.

Clearly these domestic violence campaigners are motivated by scorn for men in general than just the abusers. Either men are direct perpetrators of violence or indirectly responsible by not doing enough to intervene or stand up against it. There is virtually no accountability for women and their role in abuse, it's about modifying mens behaviour (very difficult to do) and nothing about modifying womens choices (much easier). I suppose when they work in an environment where they are dealing with bruised , beaten women every day it's going to give them some pretty contorted ideas about men generally.

As for Rose Batty that was an extreme case involving a twisted, mentally ill man and a male child victim, not a female spouse, so I don't know how her case got conflated with domestic violence, when it is obviously more of a child abuse and mental illness issue.
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notorganic wrote:
The Age - Except wrote:
Tony Abbott has done nothing to salve discontent on his backbench with a dismissive party-room "slap-down" of MPs who advocated a less combative approach to the issue of children in immigration detention, by telling voters how successful the Coalition had been in reducing the number of minors locked up.


lel rusty lel.

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"The Attorney-General's offer to an independent statutory officer of an inducement to resign her position as president, with the object of affecting the leadership of the AHRC to avoid political damage to the Abbott Government may constitute corrupt and unlawful conduct," he wrote.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-24/labor-wants-afp-to-investigate-ag-department-over-triggs-offer/6257940
Sounds like a fair case to investigate I'm sure even though it's in my opinion unethical. there will be a legal loophole that will get them off the hook.

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Its quite shameful of the ALP to waste the time and resources of the AFP to pursue this dead end "inducement" claim. It shows the Labor are willing to stop at nothing to try to discredit the government, even if it means wasting the precious time and resources of our federal taxpayer funded agencies. It must be a terrible morning for AFP officers who have to wake up and pursue these nonsensical matters rather than fighting real crime. As for Triggsy SHE LIED TO THE SENATE COMMITTEE, her position is untenable, she should be grateful she was offered another position, she should've been thrown in the trash.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Mental illness and domestic violence go hand and hand. First hand experinced it. Sadly the neo fems will assert that its a massive cop out.

Obviously they can go hand in hand, but are you saying that they inextricably linked?
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In some cases they are. My father was bi polar and was a true jeckell and hyde . He beat my mum and my sister and I physically and mentally and next minute he was nice. Sometimes the person who is the instigator is just an fucking adshole
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NBN Co says FTTP build could be done for close to Labor's budget

The real cost of completing Australia's National Broadband Network (NBN) in its originally-planned fibre-to-the-premises configuration may well have been close to the $AU43 billion first budgeted, according to data presented by NBN Co's CEO and CFO to a Senate Estimates hearing.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/24/nbn_co_fibre_build_was_close_to_budget/

So very sad that it comes out now after the bogus report they were coerced into putting together by Turnbull.

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mcjules wrote:
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NBN Co says FTTP build could be done for close to Labor's budget

The real cost of completing Australia's National Broadband Network (NBN) in its originally-planned fibre-to-the-premises configuration may well have been close to the $AU43 billion first budgeted, according to data presented by NBN Co's CEO and CFO to a Senate Estimates hearing.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/24/nbn_co_fibre_build_was_close_to_budget/

So very sad that it comes out now after the bogus report they were coerced into putting together by Turnbull.
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Nothing has "come out" this is just a terrible article full of factual errors and spin. The "$47 billion" refers to the capex of rolling out FTTP to 11 million premises, it omits capex of the fixed wireless and satellite networks nor does it factor in significant operating costs, borrowing costs and revenue shortfalls. The 2012-15 corporate plan estimated FTTP build costs around $28 billion, so if it we go with the guardians $47 billion that represents in no uncertain terms a massive catastrophic blow out. It's like pulling out a grape and comparing it with an apple - shocking journalism.


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rusty wrote:
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NBN Co says FTTP build could be done for close to Labor's budget

The real cost of completing Australia's National Broadband Network (NBN) in its originally-planned fibre-to-the-premises configuration may well have been close to the $AU43 billion first budgeted, according to data presented by NBN Co's CEO and CFO to a Senate Estimates hearing.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/24/nbn_co_fibre_build_was_close_to_budget/

So very sad that it comes out now after the bogus report they were coerced into putting together by Turnbull.
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Nothing has "come out" this is just a terrible article full of factual errors and spin. The "$47 billion" refers to the capex of rolling out FTTP to 11 million premises, it omits capex of the fixed wireless and satellite networks nor does it factor in significant operating costs, borrowing costs and revenue shortfalls. The 2012-15 corporate plan estimated FTTP build costs around $28 billion, so if it we go with the guardians $47 billion that represents in no uncertain terms a massive catastrophic blow out. It's like pulling out a grape and comparing it with an apple - shocking journalism.




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rusty wrote:
mcjules wrote:
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NBN Co says FTTP build could be done for close to Labor's budget

The real cost of completing Australia's National Broadband Network (NBN) in its originally-planned fibre-to-the-premises configuration may well have been close to the $AU43 billion first budgeted, according to data presented by NBN Co's CEO and CFO to a Senate Estimates hearing.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/24/nbn_co_fibre_build_was_close_to_budget/

So very sad that it comes out now after the bogus report they were coerced into putting together by Turnbull.
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Nothing has "come out" this is just a terrible article full of factual errors and spin. The "$47 billion" refers to the capex of rolling out FTTP to 11 million premises, it omits capex of the fixed wireless and satellite networks nor does it factor in significant operating costs, borrowing costs and revenue shortfalls. The 2012-15 corporate plan estimated FTTP build costs around $28 billion, so if it we go with the guardians $47 billion that represents in no uncertain terms a massive catastrophic blow out. It's like pulling out a grape and comparing it with an apple - shocking journalism.





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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nbn-home-to-fibre-broadband-connection-cost-per-premise-doubles-20150224-13nps4.html

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It costs over $4000 per premise to directly connect a home to fibre broadband, twice as much as previous estimates, according to an internal review by NBN Co.

NBN Co chief executive Bill Morrow used an appearance at Senate estimates hearings on Tuesday to reveal the cost per premise for fibre-to-the premises (FTTP) broadband – the preferred model of the previous Labor government.

A six-month review by NBN chief financial officer Stephen Rue found it has cost $4316 per premise to install FTTP broadband in existing premises and $2780 in greenfields areas.

The cost per premises has increased over the past 20 months despite a quicker roll-out.

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The Abbott government will use the costings to justify its decision to pursue a "multi-technology mix" broadband model including fibre-to-the-node and hybrid fibre-coaxial technologies.

In April 2013, under the Labor government, NBN Co estimated the cost per premises at between $2200 and $2500.

NBN Co's new figures include additional inputs – such as internal labour costs and the cost of leasing Telstra's network of ducts and manholes – which were not included in previous estimates.

"We think it essential that these costs and their definitions are fully explained to assist us in our own future planning and to be transparent with the Australian public on the full cost per premises," Mr Morrow told Senate estimates.

NBN Co plans to publish regular updated estimates of the cost per premise for the various technologies being deployed in the broadband rollout.

Mr Morrow said the figures will offer more complete and accurate view of the costs to construct, connect and activate a premise for each technology.

A Strategic Review conducted into the NBN in late 2013, after the election of the Coalition government, estimated the cost per premises for the FTTP network at $4097.

Labor communications spokesman Jason Clare said: "Malcolm Turnbull should spend less time trying to fight the broadband wars and get on with the job Tony Abbott gave him – getting the NBN built by the end of 2016."



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I guess I need to post the sign again both for yourself and this SMH journo who didn't understand the figures (aptly covered by the register's article)


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I think many of us have been saying these things for a long time
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The Islamophobia stirred up by Abbott and Bolt is a bigger threat to us than terrorism

Similarly, privacy is a widely accepted principle. The possibility that the movements and conversations of all citizens could be tracked by government agencies cannot be reconciled with accepted social values.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/26/the-islamophobia-stirred-up-by-abbott-and-bolt-is-a-bigger-threat-to-us-than-terrorism


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I would posit that workplace massacres, people heads getting hacked off, café sieges etc are a bigger threat than Abbott and Bolt warning people about the Islamist threat. Those are violent physical acts which result in blood being spilled and terrible loss of life, whereas Abbott and Bolt are merely uttering words. Mere words vs violent bloody actions? It’s akin to a burning house with children inside and bystanders saying the real threat isn’t the fire it’s the firefighters who are scaring the children with their loud sirens.
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Greens offer Tony Abbott a $13 billion budget saving

The plan would tax superannuation contributions on a progressive scale rather than the present flat rate of 15 per cent and 30 per cent for workers earning more than $300,000.

Australians on the 19 per cent marginal tax rate would pay 4 per cent on their super contributions, Australians on the 33 per cent rate would pay 15 per cent, Australians on 37 per cent would pay 22 per cent, and Australians on the 45 per cent rate would pay 30 per cent.

As a supporting measure, the policy would also clamp down on "churning" wages through super funds. It will no longer be possible for Australians over 55 to get a tax benefit just for putting their salary into a super fund while drawing an equivalent wage from the same fund.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/greens-offer-tony-abbott-a-13-billion-budget-saving-20150226-13oucn.html


A party with "crazy ideas" those Greens.

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Greens offer Tony Abbott a $13 billion budget saving

The plan would tax superannuation contributions on a progressive scale rather than the present flat rate of 15 per cent and 30 per cent for workers earning more than $300,000.

Australians on the 19 per cent marginal tax rate would pay 4 per cent on their super contributions, Australians on the 33 per cent rate would pay 15 per cent, Australians on 37 per cent would pay 22 per cent, and Australians on the 45 per cent rate would pay 30 per cent.

As a supporting measure, the policy would also clamp down on "churning" wages through super funds. It will no longer be possible for Australians over 55 to get a tax benefit just for putting their salary into a super fund while drawing an equivalent wage from the same fund.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/greens-offer-tony-abbott-a-13-billion-budget-saving-20150226-13oucn.html


A party with "crazy ideas" those Greens.

The Libs are the only ones who know anything about being economically responsible though. If you don't allow wealthy people to rort the system, people just won't get rich and that will ruin our economy :cry:
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Ermergerd, teh cermernersts are finally back.
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Closing that loophole for over 55s would be a good test of the character of some people.

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The Greens also want to raise corporate to tax to 33%, which would be amongst if not the highest in the world, while regionally and more broadly tax rates are trending downwards. They just don't have any business sense, that's why you rarely see Greens running successful corporations, normally they're in cushy ideologocial public service positions binging off the taxpayer with their grossly inflated salaries while taking pot shots at millionaires and billionaires for being "greedy". It definitely wouldn't stay at 33% either, as intellectual capital and entrepreneurs would take their skills and ideas elsewhere and revenue, the bulk of which the rich pay, would suffer so they would have to keep raising company and rich person tax to pay for their silly utopian welfare state.
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