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As much as people might not like Labor and Liberal people are not going to vote for their own economic destruction. The real winners will be someone like PUP or the sex party, or perhaps Jacquie Lambie, as they all have better economic credentials than the Greens.
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mcjules wrote:notorganic wrote:mcjules wrote:notorganic wrote:I just did what I usually do and gave my local MP a spray... Although I haven't explicitly threatened him with losing my vote before. Quote: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/web/metadata-retention-laws-will-pass-as-labor-folds-20150226-13qd4m.htmlHi Andrew, no doubt you have heard and received the concerns of our community and Australians at large regarding the widesweeping data retention laws that the ALP has just agreed to wave through. I feel like there is enough evidence out there already that data retention is expensive that ISPs will pass onto customers (iinet estimated $140 extra per customer per year), intrusive to the point that it was recently ruled unconstitutional in Germany, and having negligible effect on the ability for law enforcement to clear cases of crime. I had hoped that the ALP would stand up for the right of Australian citizens to not be spied upon by their government without warrant - no matter how well intentioned the policy may be. I deeply respect and admire the hard work you have been doing in our community, but unfortunately this is a deal breaker for me. I will be voting for a candidate that is willing to stand-up and be counted in representing their constituency against authoritarian and draconian programs, and will be loudly encouraging others within my local area to do the same. Please do the right thing. Probably could have been a bit tighter, I just bashed it out on my phone and sent it off without drafting or proofing. Edited by Notorganic: 27/2/2015 02:52:20 PM The problem is too many vote for the major parties as first preference or second preference, as they flow eventually you end up voting for either Labor or Liberal and we all know the logical choice between those two. Sure, and Scullin is a very safe ALP seat, but the Green creep is happening more and more - especially in the inner city. Looking forward to being as loud as possible :) Oh yeah if the Greens don't get their best result yet this coming election I'll be very surprised. Also worth mentioning that where first preferences go impacts funding that the party gets for their next campaign, so even if you know your vote will ultimately end up going to Labor or Liberal it's worthwhile putting who you really want first. Currently it's about $2.58 per vote.
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rusty wrote:As much as people might not like Labor and Liberal people are not going to vote for their own economic destruction. The real winners will be someone like PUP or the sex party, or perhaps Jacquie Lambie, as they all have better economic credentials than the Greens. I usually abstain from political debate, and I'm not going to favour one party over the other nor theorise who wins and loses, but I will say this current wingnut we have in charge is the most embarrassing imbecile to have as an elected leader, and the Whole WORLD knows it, but what scares me more is that at the last vote more the 2/3's of the liberal party failed to see that and left him in charge presumably because they didn't want to make the mistakes that labor made. #-o To me this makes the majority of the liberal party look rather stupid. I cringe every time that nut job opens he's mouth and I'm surprised no one has dropped a bomb on Canberra. Malcolm Turnbul will probably get in eventually because he is a smooth talker, but for her performance as Minister for Foreign Affairs I would hope Julie Bishop get the gong, only because as smooth as he talks, I reckon Malcolm is as sly as they come.
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I recommend joining the NSW Council of Civil Liberties for those who are so inclined. Doing God's work.
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/28/tony_abbott_says_food_importers_deserve_help_denied_to_telcos/Quote:Tony Abbott says food importers deserve help denied to telcos
Metadata costs to be worn by telcos, but berry importers promised relief from regulations
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If you're looking to protect your "meta"data from the governments bipartisan citizen spying program, Torrentfreak have compiled a list of VPN's with 12 critical privacy questions for each of the companies to answer. https://torrentfreak.com/anonymous-vpn-service-provider-review-2015-150228/
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rusty
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Holy shit according to Fairfax Liberals now back in the race at 49:51. :d
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So I've been looking at the polls of the last week and I can't help but think some of this is because people are already factoring in a change of leadership. The Fairfax one is particularly dubious as it's result is quite a bit different to the others. It's also interesting how much the swing away from the Libs was underestimated in the last 2 state elections. Think these guys need to go back and look at how they're sampling. I think it's good news anyway as I want Tony to still be Liberal leader come next election. [-o< Edited by mcjules: 1/3/2015 11:09:05 PM
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RedKat wrote:rusty wrote:Holy shit according to Fairfax Liberals now back in the race at 49:51. :d Amazing what a good address on national security does. This. Easy vote winner. Scare everyone then stand on a pedestal and pretend to save them.
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rusty
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There's been about a 10% swing to Abbott as the preferred PM, but he's still behind Shorten. Clearly people aren't just "factoring in leadership change", this is a mini revival in his leadership.
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How easily people say their opinions on a spud like Abbott :lol: -PB
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u4486662 wrote:This.
Easy vote winner. Scare everyone then stand on a pedestal and pretend to save them. Doesn't reflect well on the intelligence of the average voter if these polls are accurate.
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Les Gock wrote:u4486662 wrote:This.
Easy vote winner. Scare everyone then stand on a pedestal and pretend to save them. Doesn't reflect well on the intelligence of the average voter if these polls are accurate. The average voter is a mindless simpleton. You only have to see what TV shows rate the highest on the big commercial networks during prime time. Its like that movie "Idiocracy" [youtube]clYwX8Z43zg[/youtube]
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Quote:PM Tony Abbott's 'positive' poll shows he's a dead man walking Tellingly, Abbott's supporters of last recourse, avowed conservative voters, are also leaving him. Among self-identifying Coalition voters, the share choosing Abbott as preferred PM fell 3 percentage points, from 41 per cent to 38. And those preferring Turnbull rose by 6 points, from 24 per cent to 30. "Coalition voters have been sitting loyally with Abbott," observes Elgood, "but slowly they are drifting away." http://www.smh.com.au/comment/pm-tony-abbotts-positive-poll-shows-hes-a-dead-man-walking-20150302-13s2t0.html Now I think it's ridiculous to think that Turnbull is going to be much better. The fact is, those that were conned into becoming Liberal party voters due to the high spending Howard government's middle-class welfare and that they were good economic managers by getting the budget into surplus (when revenues were at unprecedented highs due to the mining boom) might finally realign themselves when they see Turnbull can't magically do the same.
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rusty
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Les Gock wrote:u4486662 wrote:This.
Easy vote winner. Scare everyone then stand on a pedestal and pretend to save them. Doesn't reflect well on the intelligence of the average voter if these polls are accurate. Yes that's right the truly intelligent gravitate towards the party with no plans and no policies
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rusty wrote:Les Gock wrote:u4486662 wrote:This.
Easy vote winner. Scare everyone then stand on a pedestal and pretend to save them. Doesn't reflect well on the intelligence of the average voter if these polls are accurate. Yes that's right the truly intelligent gravitate towards the party with no plans and no policies you mean the libs? What was their plan In oppostion? amd their plan now is still its labours fault. Ffs they've been im government for 18 months now .time for them to govern and stop blame shifting
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Les Gock
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rusty wrote:Les Gock wrote:u4486662 wrote:This.
Easy vote winner. Scare everyone then stand on a pedestal and pretend to save them. Doesn't reflect well on the intelligence of the average voter if these polls are accurate. Yes that's right the truly intelligent gravitate towards the party with no plans and no policies You missed my point. Nothing to do with party politics. The 2 major parties are as fucked up as each other.
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Les Gock wrote:rusty wrote:Les Gock wrote:u4486662 wrote:This.
Easy vote winner. Scare everyone then stand on a pedestal and pretend to save them. Doesn't reflect well on the intelligence of the average voter if these polls are accurate. Yes that's right the truly intelligent gravitate towards the party with no plans and no policies You missed my point. Nothing to do with party politics. The 2 major parties are as fucked up as each other. Bang on. -PB
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Felt sick driving listening to Parliament today with both sides of politics blowing each other over their great bipartisanship regarding the data retention bill.
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Great segment on Media Watch on the affects metadata retention has on whistleblowers reporting to the media. Transcript and video here http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4189859.htm
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rusty
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Les Gock wrote:rusty wrote:Les Gock wrote:u4486662 wrote:This.
Easy vote winner. Scare everyone then stand on a pedestal and pretend to save them. Doesn't reflect well on the intelligence of the average voter if these polls are accurate. Yes that's right the truly intelligent gravitate towards the party with no plans and no policies You missed my point. Nothing to do with party politics. The 2 major parties are as fucked up as each other. Oh well I guess that leaves Katter, the sex party and the greens. Gotta vote for somebody. Try being more constructive than just "everyone's a stoopid head all da major parties fucked up derrrr"
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rusty wrote:Les Gock wrote:rusty wrote:Les Gock wrote:u4486662 wrote:This.
Easy vote winner. Scare everyone then stand on a pedestal and pretend to save them. Doesn't reflect well on the intelligence of the average voter if these polls are accurate. Yes that's right the truly intelligent gravitate towards the party with no plans and no policies You missed my point. Nothing to do with party politics. The 2 major parties are as fucked up as each other. Oh well I guess that leaves Katter, the sex party and the greens. Gotta vote for somebody. Try being more constructive than just "everyone's a stoopid head all da major parties fucked up derrrr" Vote for the secular party. Fuck these private school boy wanker parties Labor and Liberal. Scratching each other's backs. Most politicians still go to church. Shows how mindless they are.
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http://www.secular.org.au/policies/I agree with most of this parties policies. And I suspect most of the people on here do too. But you never hear about this party because the media salivate over the antics of the ridiculous behaviour of the current members of parliament. I suppose its understandable given its makes great television for the masses. Gaffes on a daily basis.
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A vote for the secular party is akin to not voting at all, or flushing your vote down the toilet, or casting a vote for thin air.
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rusty wrote:A vote for the secular party is akin to not voting at all, or flushing your vote down the toilet, or casting a vote for thin air. Um, no it isn't.
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Actually, voting for your favourite major party like a sporting team is more likely a vote for nothing.
Swing voters and votes for minor parties decide elections.
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u4486662 wrote:http://www.secular.org.au/policies/I agree with most of this parties policies. And I suspect most of the people on here do too. But you never hear about this party because the media salivate over the antics of the ridiculous behaviour of the current members of parliament. I suppose its understandable given its makes great television for the masses. Gaffes on a daily basis. I'm a member. Will probably run next year. Vote for me pls. edit: I have a lot of not-positive things to say about the current way the Secular Party presents itself, but won't get mired in personal politics for now. The good far outweighs the bad, which is more than you can say for any of the major parties. doubleedit: what's the bet that manrub and scouse are rubbing their oily nips in anticipation for me to say that I'm running so they can go to the media and call me a woman hater? Edited by notorganic: 3/3/2015 12:34:28 PM
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And I couldn't vote for a party that controverts its own values by seeking to impose anti secular state interference in religious affairs such as how people dress and who they choose to marry.
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rusty
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notorganic wrote:u4486662 wrote:http://www.secular.org.au/policies/I agree with most of this parties policies. And I suspect most of the people on here do too. But you never hear about this party because the media salivate over the antics of the ridiculous behaviour of the current members of parliament. I suppose its understandable given its makes great television for the masses. Gaffes on a daily basis. I'm a member. Will probably run next year. Why would you waste your time? Your absolute buckleys chance of getting into parliament, at least with that vehicle that has absolutely no traction. No one wants to vote for a party whose core ethos is anti church, people are far more concerned with Labor and Liberty, the core tenets of the two major parties. We already live in secular society, people don't want less secularism by forcing churches to pay state taxes and cracking down on religious attire and instruction in schools. Could it be the secular party actually opposes secularism, by seeking to intervene and interfere in religious affairs ?
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rusty wrote:And I couldn't vote for a party that controverts its own values by seeking to impose anti secular state interference in religious affairs such as how people dress and who they choose to marry.
The secular party supports adults rights to wear what they like but does not support the FORCED wearing of garments. I suspect this FORCED garment wearing doesn't happen much in Aus anyway. The secular party is against forced marriage. This is a common practice in some religious/cultural groups. It is against the law in this country and that law should be enforced. They are also against the marriage of people under - 18 for the same reason. They support LGBTI marriage. If religious law/doctrine contravenes Australian law, then it is forbidden. The secular party are not against people practicing their own beliefs in the privacy of their own lives provided they don't contravene Australian law.
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