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benelsmore wrote:mcjules wrote:The issue of profligacy is subjective. Being sternly against middle and upper class welfare, I found most of the Howard governments spending measures such as the baby bonus and first home owners grant pretty wasteful. The first home owners grant was a fantastic idea. Helped a lot of younger people get into the housing market. Drove up the house prices as everyone had more of a deposit. Should have only been for new dwellings.
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mcjules wrote:benelsmore wrote:mcjules wrote:The issue of profligacy is subjective. Being sternly against middle and upper class welfare, I found most of the Howard governments spending measures such as the baby bonus and first home owners grant pretty wasteful. The first home owners grant was a fantastic idea. Helped a lot of younger people get into the housing market. Drove up the house prices as everyone had more of a deposit. Should have only been for new dwellings. I thought it was for houses under 5 years old?
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Quote:Bill Shorten dismisses call for investigation into possible rorting of Labor leadership ballot
By Latika Bourke April 10, 2015, 11:17 a.m.
How 50 votes could spell trouble for Shorten
Bill Shorten says there's no need for another investigation into claims the ballot that installed him as federal Labor leader was potentially rorted, dismissing voting irregularities as "isolated incidents".
But the New South Wales Labor Party administration committee, which is due to hold its regular monthly meeting in Sydney today could re-examine the matter.
Two leading figures from Labor's left faction, NSW Labor assistant secretary John Graham and Australian Manufacturing Workers Union secretary Tim Ayres have called for another inquiry in the 2013 ballot between Mr Shorten and Anthony Albanese.
The pair want details about the involvement of Labor senator Sam Dastyari's office in changing mailing addresses. Senator Dastyari has refused to comment but has repeatedly denied knowing about any changes to 50 mailing addresses which would not have affected the result.
Twenty ballot papers were sent to Hicham Zraika, an Auburn Councillor, who was susbequently suspended from the party.
Asked about the issue on Friday morning, Mr Shorten said an investigation had already been carried out and the matter dealt with.
"I've got zero tolerance for people who want to break the rules of the party and play any of those sort of games," he told the ABC.
"But the point is there has been an investigation, the New South Wales branch of the Labor Party, who's responsible for the administration, have said they've investigated the matter."
Mr Shorten appeared to suggest that giving party members a greater say in the leadership carries a price.
"I'm determined that despite these isolated examples that we still keep rolling out a greater say for our members because I think politics in Australia has to change," he said.
New South Wales Labor's administrative committee is scheduled to hold its monthly meeting in Sussex Street on Friday.
Labor frontbencher Joel Fitzgibbon sits on the committee and said the matter could be put on the meeting's agenda.
"But any suggestion that these internal factional maneuvers have any implication for Bill Shorten's leadership is ridiculous," Mr Fitzgibbon told Fairfax Media.
Education Minister Christopher Pyne sought to capitalise on the reports and questioned whether it could cause leadership tensions within the opposition.
"Willl @AlboMP return to reopen the tained tLabor ballot for leader? Or will @billshortenmp attempt to stay leader under this cloud?" Mr Pyne tweeted on Friday. http://www.theherald.com.au/story/3002642/bill-shorten-dismisses-call-for-investigation-into-possible-rorting-of-labor-leadership-ballot/?cs=4219
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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mcjules
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benelsmore wrote:mcjules wrote:benelsmore wrote:mcjules wrote:The issue of profligacy is subjective. Being sternly against middle and upper class welfare, I found most of the Howard governments spending measures such as the baby bonus and first home owners grant pretty wasteful. The first home owners grant was a fantastic idea. Helped a lot of younger people get into the housing market. Drove up the house prices as everyone had more of a deposit. Should have only been for new dwellings. I thought it was for houses under 5 years old? The first property I bought was built in the 70s and I received the $7k. The feds offered $14k for new homes for a while and subsequently when they stopped the SA state government started offering $7k but the damage was done.
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mcjules wrote:benelsmore wrote:mcjules wrote:benelsmore wrote:mcjules wrote:The issue of profligacy is subjective. Being sternly against middle and upper class welfare, I found most of the Howard governments spending measures such as the baby bonus and first home owners grant pretty wasteful. The first home owners grant was a fantastic idea. Helped a lot of younger people get into the housing market. Drove up the house prices as everyone had more of a deposit. Should have only been for new dwellings. I thought it was for houses under 5 years old? The first property I bought was built in the 70s and I received the $7k. The feds offered $14k for new homes for a while and subsequently when they stopped the SA state government started offering $7k but the damage was done. House prices are a joke. You can spend $1mil for a shithole anywhere near a city centre. I didn't get anything :(
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No jab no handouts.
Anti-vaxxers to go nuts!
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I'm still not sure if I support that restriction or not, but considering that parents of vaccinated kids don't have the right to disclosure of the unvaccinated kids at schools and daycares it's a good step to ensure lower-middle class vaccination rates increase.
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notorganic wrote:I'm still not sure if I support that restriction or not, but considering that parents of vaccinated kids don't have the right to disclosure of the unvaccinated kids at schools and daycares it's a good step to ensure lower-middle class vaccination rates increase. I do. It's a strong stance against people who are selfish idiots. Some kids cannot be vaccinated and are at risk from children who have parents that refuse to vaccinate. Herd immunity only works when the herd is immune.
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notorganic wrote:I'm still not sure if I support that restriction or not, but considering that parents of vaccinated kids don't have the right to disclosure of the unvaccinated kids at schools and daycares it's a good step to ensure lower-middle class vaccination rates increase. I'm all for it tbh, it's public health and safety, simple as that! Although, I did hear that non vaccination rates where higher amongst the children of high income earners? Anyone know why that would be the case?
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Eastern Glory wrote:notorganic wrote:I'm still not sure if I support that restriction or not, but considering that parents of vaccinated kids don't have the right to disclosure of the unvaccinated kids at schools and daycares it's a good step to ensure lower-middle class vaccination rates increase. I'm all for it tbh, it's public health and safety, simple as that! Although, I did hear that non vaccination rates where higher amongst the children of high income earners? Anyone know why that would be the case? Cashed up bogans (e.g. Archie Thompson) and those wealthy people that buy everything "natural" and think they know better than the modern western medical system... I'm 100% for it. In fact I wouldn't be against them cancelling their medicare as well. I'm against forcing people to do something but why should we as tax payers subsidise people that put us tax payers' health at risk? I appreciate this would be much harder to pass in parliament though.
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I agree with it in principle, just having a bit of a hard time with the ethical philosophical parameters of it.
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You can't force any treatment/procedure on anyone.
But beggars can't be choosers.
This won't affect the high rates of unvaccinated children in affluent suburbs though.
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Hi all, The big issue we have to look at Politically is large scale tax evasion by the Corporates, and the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP).
There is issues with a lot of money in Luxembourg accounts, and the ‘Big 4’ accounting firms are openly helping Corporate Australia cheat the Tax System.
This is why we have to look at, at the moment.
The stuff about vaccines and so on is to distract the masses and provide the bogans with feedback for 2UE and 3AW so on.
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Eastern Glory wrote:notorganic wrote:I'm still not sure if I support that restriction or not, but considering that parents of vaccinated kids don't have the right to disclosure of the unvaccinated kids at schools and daycares it's a good step to ensure lower-middle class vaccination rates increase. I'm all for it tbh, it's public health and safety, simple as that! Although, I did hear that non vaccination rates where higher amongst the children of high income earners? Anyone know why that would be the case? They have the money for the high level hospital care. -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:notorganic wrote:I'm still not sure if I support that restriction or not, but considering that parents of vaccinated kids don't have the right to disclosure of the unvaccinated kids at schools and daycares it's a good step to ensure lower-middle class vaccination rates increase. I'm all for it tbh, it's public health and safety, simple as that! Although, I did hear that non vaccination rates where higher amongst the children of high income earners? Anyone know why that would be the case? They have the money for the high level hospital care. -PB Rich pseudoeducated Australians don't like being told what to do. So, to try and gain autonomy, they decline vaccinations because, you see, they've done all this independent research. And they're experts of course.
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WaMackie wrote:Hi all, The big issue we have to look at Politically is large scale tax evasion by the Corporates, and the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP).
There is issues with a lot of money in Luxembourg accounts, and the ‘Big 4’ accounting firms are openly helping Corporate Australia cheat the Tax System.
This is why we have to look at, at the moment.
The stuff about vaccines and so on is to distract the masses and provide the bogans with feedback for 2UE and 3AW so on.
You mean we have to look at a flawed taxation system? You mean we have to address spending problems because revenue doesn't go as far. (Fark I sound like Rusty :lol: )
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benelsmore wrote:You mean we have to look at a flawed taxation system?
You mean we have to address spending problems because revenue doesn't go as far. (Fark I sound like Rusty :lol: ) Sort of, mate. I think if you look at the 2008 GFC, it was more of a sophisticated robbery by the powerful and elite. There’s been no real economic recovery since then, almost a ‘false economy’ situation, if you like…. A lot forensic accounting at the moment is leading to money being hidden in tax havens such as Luxembourg. Even Vanuatu, a neighbour to Australia and New Zealand, is seen as a local Tax Haven. Operation Wickenby by the ATO and AFP was looking at a lot of money being siphoned from Australia to various global Tax Havens. We need to burrow down those avenues. If you listen to Australian Police Cheifs of late, wthey want to recruit more Forensic Accountants, rather than Officers to pound the streets, as Forensic Accounting is where the real action is at. Edited by wamackie: 13/4/2015 03:30:50 PM
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Sooooo Colin Barnett, biggest whinger ever? -PB
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Colin Barnett needs to shut his trap. His state raked it in during the mining boom while NSW got continually fucked over.
Through most of the last decade, NSW received less that 100pc of the GST we raised. Also, the Sydney region barely got one cent of the stimulus package money in 2010 for infrastructure projects - not a dime. We have a massive backlog of projects to build as a result.
Incidentally, next year his government will get a higher rate, because there's a time lag in the calculation. This year his rate was based off the high iron ore price of a year or two ago. Next year it will be recalculated on the current price, so he'll get his money back.
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My eyes nearly roll out of my head every time I hear Abbott say a variation of "If the states want to broaden the GST, it's not up to me".
Get a fucking backbone, show some fucking leadership.
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notorganic wrote:My eyes nearly roll out of my head every time I hear Abbott say a variation of "If the states want to broaden the GST, it's not up to me".
Get a fucking backbone, show some fucking leadership. Why should the federal government cop all the political angst for what is the states primary source of revenue? The government just dispenses the GST and doesn't keep any of it, so it makes you wonder, if the states are the primary beneficiaries of raising the GST why are the state leaders silent on the issue? It's because it's a regressive tax and will be spun as an attack on the poor by raising the cost of living. Raising the GST requires guts and leadership from all levels of government, and Labor, not just TA. I don't even agree with raising it, 10% is austerity enough. The problem is if you keep raising it it sends a message, mostly to Labor, that you can continue to spend and spend and spend and the solution isn't prudent management of revenue and spending, but grubby cash grabs such as raising the GST, which of course will wait for Liberal governments to enact. They should be targeting superannation concessions for higher income earners before resorting to grubby mindless cash grabs such as raising the GST, which just makes the current expensive things more expensive.
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rusty wrote:They should be targeting superannation concessions for higher income earners before resorting to grubby mindless cash grabs such as raising the GST, which just makes the current expensive things more expensive. We agree on something :shock:
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notorganic wrote:I agree with it in principle, just having a bit of a hard time with the ethical philosophical parameters of it. Yep! Can see that side of it, although I can't say I'm too fussed about that. In the end, we elect politicians to make these sorts of decisions, I'm just glad to see the federal govt making a decision that most of Australia agrees with.
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benelsmore wrote:WaMackie wrote:Hi all, The big issue we have to look at Politically is large scale tax evasion by the Corporates, and the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP).
There is issues with a lot of money in Luxembourg accounts, and the ‘Big 4’ accounting firms are openly helping Corporate Australia cheat the Tax System.
This is why we have to look at, at the moment.
The stuff about vaccines and so on is to distract the masses and provide the bogans with feedback for 2UE and 3AW so on.
You mean we have to look at a flawed taxation system? You mean we have to address spending problems because revenue doesn't go as far. (Fark I sound like Rusty :lol: ) Interesting that this very topic is being discussed via the GST issues this week.
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paulbagzFC wrote:Sooooo Colin Barnett, biggest whinger ever?
-PB We have been pretty poor at taking advantage of the 'boom' period but he makes fair points. We have been getting no way near the amount of GST back compared to what we have been putting in. WA and NSW have some pretty damn fair gripes when it comes to GST allocation.
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Judging a woman based on what she wears. You fucking misogynist shitlord.
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Eastern Glory wrote:notorganic wrote:I agree with it in principle, just having a bit of a hard time with the ethical philosophical parameters of it. Yep! Can see that side of it, although I can't say I'm too fussed about that. In the end, we elect politicians to make these sorts of decisions, I'm just glad to see the federal govt making a decision that most of Australia agrees with. Most Australians are idiots, but yeah, they have probably got this one right. I'm a little worried about centrelink handling this properly though. We kept getting calls from the day care saying we had to pick up our kids because centrelink said they were no ok because of a vacant ion issue. A day or two later we would get a letter from centrelink because their eldest sister had missed her immunisation. Each time she missed the immunisation. Her little brother and sister got kicked out of child care. And we would have to explain to centrelink that the reason that she kept missing her immunisations was because she was dead. And yes, her status was still dead and yes she was still likely to miss her next immunisation as she would still likely to be dead. Ever fucking time. So no, I don't trust centrelink on this. We are probably likely to be cut off tax benefit b because we still keep refusing to get her immunised.
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australiantibullus wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:notorganic wrote:I agree with it in principle, just having a bit of a hard time with the ethical philosophical parameters of it. Yep! Can see that side of it, although I can't say I'm too fussed about that. In the end, we elect politicians to make these sorts of decisions, I'm just glad to see the federal govt making a decision that most of Australia agrees with. Most Australians are idiots, but yeah, they have probably got this one right. I'm a little worried about centrelink handling this properly though. We kept getting calls from the day care saying we had to pick up our kids because centrelink said they were no ok because of a vacant ion issue. A day or two later we would get a letter from centrelink because their eldest sister had missed her immunisation. Each time she missed the immunisation. Her little brother and sister got kicked out of child care. And we would have to explain to centrelink that the reason that she kept missing her immunisations was because she was dead. And yes, her status was still dead and yes she was still likely to miss her next immunisation as she would still likely to be dead. Ever fucking time. So no, I don't trust centrelink on this. We are probably likely to be cut off tax benefit b because we still keep refusing to get her immunised. Oh shit... Sorry to hear it mate. Had no idea.
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australiantibullus wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:notorganic wrote:I agree with it in principle, just having a bit of a hard time with the ethical philosophical parameters of it. Yep! Can see that side of it, although I can't say I'm too fussed about that. In the end, we elect politicians to make these sorts of decisions, I'm just glad to see the federal govt making a decision that most of Australia agrees with. Most Australians are idiots, but yeah, they have probably got this one right. I'm a little worried about centrelink handling this properly though. We kept getting calls from the day care saying we had to pick up our kids because centrelink said they were no ok because of a vacant ion issue. A day or two later we would get a letter from centrelink because their eldest sister had missed her immunisation. Each time she missed the immunisation. Her little brother and sister got kicked out of child care. And we would have to explain to centrelink that the reason that she kept missing her immunisations was because she was dead. And yes, her status was still dead and yes she was still likely to miss her next immunisation as she would still likely to be dead. Ever fucking time. So no, I don't trust centrelink on this. We are probably likely to be cut off tax benefit b because we still keep refusing to get her immunised. That's terrible. I can't imagine how much hard that'd be to deal with :(
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