There are billions and billions of dollars in royalties in CSG for the government which is why I'd be very surprised if NSW doesn't get on board eventually.

It's tricky for the government though because, for example, a former blue ribbon national seat in the Ballina region got tipped out in the last state election due to CSG opposition.

Benels would like this. The National bloke got done by a Greens sheila. Bloody lefty, commo, pinkies.

And China can ruin their country all they want (they already have lol).

-PB

My company isn't much into gas anymore. We used to log exploration wells and collect the core but I haven't been to a site in probably a year.

I'm against it because it doesn't make sense. People don't understand how drilling works and thus don't understand how much of a stretch it is to say that CSG is poisoning aquifers. In conventional geotechnical drilling I've been with a rig that's hit an aquifer and we lost about 1000L of bentonite. Knowing most people they'd believe that a natural product (Bentonite is a clay) is poisoning things. Wells are cased (using a steel casing about 30cm in diameter) to the end depth otherwise they wouldn't be able to extract the gas, it would leach into the formations above the end of the hole through defects and they would not be able to achieve adequate circulation or an adequate pressure seal to extract anything. It's a fairly basic principal which is overlooked by people who do 5 minutes research and become experts on drilling techniques and drill rigs they've never seen/buy into the theories surrounding csg.

Santos also has a huge database of it's groundwater monitoring found here: Water Monitoring Data

I'm based on the Gold Coast and we do work in northern NSW and I've seen all the 'Lock the Gate on CSG' signs everywhere.

Are there decent reviews/papers/etc/something that shows the facts?

I'd be happy to read into it to see if it isn't just Greens fear mongering or if they are actual concerns (seeing footage of some of the farmlands where the water supplies are basically poisonous now doesn't lend me to think that CSG is great).

-PB

This thread has descended into respectful civility. It's an outrageous affront to my eyes.

I demand, as a matter of urgency, some name calling, fear mongering, unsubstantiated claims and irrational tangents starting immediately to get this back on track.

Lift your game 442.

PS That doco "Gasland" was enough to scare the pants of a few people.

Usually right next to the "hands off our spit" signs.

That' s because the cultural marxists have taken control of this place and it's descended into "group think"...

That better?

needs more ricecrackers (the third)

I'm not sure where to even look for papers on the topic tbh. A quick google and all I found was dubious anti-csg sites. I did however find this from the EHP: CSG Water Management

That's what gets me though, we have worked for company 'X' setting up water sources near Chinchilla and Miles in the Surat Basin. Their requirements are to provide lined water supplies so that circulation cannot leach into the groundwater table. If you go on to nearmap and look around Miles you can even see these ponds and in some cases you can see the polyethylene liners. Serious engineering goes into creating these dams to ensure they can't over top or fail.

What I think you're referring to is an old practice where they would leave the water and fluids in the hole and just grout it. The fluids could then leach into the groundwater. Pretty sure they can't do it in Australia anymore. I may be wrong, perhaps Munrubenmuz knows more about it.

There are some mighty big dams out there that's for sure. They do get the occasional failure though and then shit really does hit the fan.

The dam thing is one part of it but for a real chin stroker ask Origin or Santos what they do with all the salt they have.

Mountains of it (millions of tonnes) all over the show and they don't have a clue what do do with it. It's a big problem for them.



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Yeah never a fan of dams, specially with southern states appearing to get more and more rain now days (and cyclones heading further south).

Clive Palmer got into big shit up here in Townsville when his tailings dam ran over from the Nickel Refinery.

Won't know the damage it has done for decades.

-PB

In the floods of 2011 something similar happened at the Qld Nitrate Plant in Moura. A bi-product of the explosives is this weird green water that looks like bubble bath when the wind blows. When the floods filled the ponds and they over topped it killed everything for like 20km.

Civil engineers at their finest.

I would have thought those things would've been designed for a 1:1000 year event given the potential for shit outcomes if one failed.

Guess it always comes back to cost.

I don't know what a tailings dam cost to make, but if making the walls that extra 1-3m higher = $$$$ then you could imagine that's where things get skimped on.

-PB

Given that it's in the middle of nowehere I don't think there were approvals for the dam.

We did a month long investigation to fix these things up. The smart people used to have a gravel road around the bunds. However, they needed to increase capacity so they dropped more fill on top of the gravel layer and wondered how water was leaking.......:lol:

Depending on size you're looking at about 10-30 mil for a tailings dam.

$500k on flags. Are you fucking kidding?

Labour responsible for $130k of that.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/federal-politicians-spend-500000-on-australian-flags--but-tony-abbott-does-not-buy-one-20150709-gi91zv.html

To Joe's credit he's apparently slashed the flag budget.

^lol

Kinda hoped Shorten would have gotten out of that commission a lot worse off but alas this will be water off a ducks back.

-PB

So the moral of the story is, never buy a flag yourself. Ask your local MP to provide you one on the tax payers dollar. Not that I'd ever want one while we have another country's flag on it ;)

re: the royal commission, they were never going to get Shorten on anything. These sort of "witch hunt" royal commissions should be widely condemned by everyone.

I'm not across that. (I'd be surprised if it's still allowed though given all the corporate bullshit they speak.)

eg: Build landowner relationships based on trust and mutual respect that support project delivery and operations, leaving a positive social legacy.

From an Origin blurb.

Laughing at Barnaby this morning.

Coal mine approved and he can do next to nought about it.

Yup, bit late now to be crying foul.

If he's that aggrieved, pull up stumps and split the Nationals off ;)

-PB

So abott spent what on the royal commison and nothing . Why is it when the libs get i to power theg decide to have royal commisons on labour amd nothing is proven and yet the media dont say libs waste tax payer money . Yet if labour does it the media will be all over it

Shorten is a slimy dog.

The sooner he is gone the better, for Labors sake.

This video is a corker.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/jacqui-lambie-taunts-barnaby-joyce-in-bizarre-video-about-shenhua-coal-mine-20150710-gi9925.html

The first comment at the bottom is a pearler.

Agreed in so many ways.

-PB

lol she's not overly wrong though, but fark that camera work was terrible :lol:

Throw in some cheese music and we have a Jack Warner 2.0 :lol:

-PB

Funny how all these farmers are greenies when there's a coal mine proposed. At all other times they're happy to see the greens bulldozed into a pit.