Those of jewish faith have a similar arrangement. Zero affect on anyone. In saying that though, does anyone actually know what's wrong with the generic divorce proceedings that make these alternative forms of mediation necessary?

Also have you been to Marsille or Malmo recently?

Oh i know islam isnt a race. Being a bigot is just that a bigot
I've seen that argument many of times and it grinds my goat. What ever happend to beliving in the good in people before judging them? Also the reclaim australia brisbane group has disassociated themselves from r
a and now has joined up with the upf. Who are a neo nazi group.

I have no idea why it's really needed. I'm guessing that that religion has a interpretation on what divorce entails that goes beyond what the state is interested in and thus these "courts" are useful so that followers can settle disputes whilst adhering to both secular law and their religious requirements.

Marseille was great. Fresh seafood for lunch, gorgeous tanned girls everywhere and played football in the streets for hours with some local lads (might have been algerian).

Never been to Scandinavia though, hoping to make my way to København and Stockholm when i go back later this year. Heard Mälmo is getting a reputation but honestly know nothing about it.

My guess is that some people also would feel more comfortable if the mediation proceedings is carried out by someone within their community and understands their culture. Obviously that means that people aren't "integrating" and that multiculturalism is a failure of course.

That's the easy association to make. I was wondering if their was a legal conflict with religious requirements.

What annoys me is people trying to make a religious issue into a racial one. It has nothing to do with skin colour or background and has everything to do with the belief structures of a religion that in many cases directly opposes core anglo saxon values if adhered to strictly. People see half a dozen neo-nazis and the first thing that pops into their head is racist. It's an easy association to make. Maybe I expect too much from reclaim assuming that their concerns are genuinely about Islam. Maybe I'm wrong and they're trying to masktheir racism with bigotry.

People also jump to the bigot label as well. In this case reclaim is an absolute joke and I do not support them even slightly. These people obviously have insecurities and need to blame someone else for their life sucking. However, I see too many people these days reacting to any sort of criticism of particularly the Islamic religion with bigot, educate yourself etc etc. Criticism of Islam now haws the tag islamophobe which I feel stops people from learning about the religion because any objective criticism is met with this horrible little tag. How the hell can you learn if you can't ask certain questions? A friend of mine is as moderate as they come as a muslim and even he gets all defensive when I ask him certain things.



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Oh man, Im with you on that tag "islamophobe" cant stand it only because it is used as a discussion ending statement no matter how rational the question is.

In truth it is no different to Christians who quote the bible at you as a defense when you question a section of the bible.

Of course, every religion has it's little shut down points when it gets grilled. Religion is not designed for criticism. It's designed for people to ask no questions. It just seems as though mainstream Islam has more ammunition to avoid criticism because its adherents are mainly not anglo-saxons and thus if the bigot card doesn't work out comes the race card. After violent protests in Sydney we had senior Islamic leaders calling the 'witch hunt' that followed a racist agenda. It's like no dickhead, we just don't want violence on our streets and to have to waste public money to clean up the mess you make.

If i want to ask questions about islam ill ask my father in law or mother in law or my coworker. They are more than happy to answer any questions I have. Sadly a lot of muslims and christians get defensive is due to the fact for the off they have been called every name under the sun and have been accused of many things.

They get defensive because they know their answers to delicate questions are not going to be received well.

Also of course people will see neo nazi's and will think racists. What do you think of when you see them?

SLAYER!!! :twisted: :lol:

I see very confused people who have no idea what they stand for and why.

They're really no different to our native friends who have a problem with every single white person and call us imperialists who stole their land.

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They're also experts on US defamation law and First Amendment rights so you can ask about that too.

For someone who is apparently an 50 something yr old . You do act worse than my 15 month old. Grow the fuck up mate. Also for someone who is supposed to be a doctor/engineer/ whatever you come across as a immature little shit.

so neo nazi's are fine by you? So spreading fear and ignorance is fine.

Of course it's not fine. They're sick people. Any kind of WWII Nazi celebration in terms of ideology or symbolism is truly despicable.

I just think they're very confused/angry people.

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What is your opinion on the anti-government protestors/commentators/bloggers who do the same thing (spread fear and ignorance)?

They spread fear through unsubstantiated claims that the government is implementing certain measures to claim our rights and control us?

I cant stand those idiots who do the same thing. Hell everytime i see a post by an anti government brigade I just shake my head. Or the posts about the illumnati and or the new world order and that obama is a lizard person :lol:

At least you're consistent! I think people struggle to separate the Nazi part from the issue of extremism itself.

I copped some flak on FB yesterday for suggesting that the far left is no different from the far right in that they spread ridiculous messages to insight division and irrational fear.

The far left are just as bad as the far right. Both are similar and if you tell them that they get all huffy. I see an issue and I usually take it to task. Im centre left but I cant stand hypocrisy.

I cant stand those people who side for example with r.a but hid behind masks and cartoon pics for their profile pics. If you are staunch in your views show your faces . Don't be a hyprocite saying the hijab/niqab needs to go whilst wearing guy fawks masks or bandanas hiding your faces

Exactly. They know their beliefs are irrational. It disgusts me that they wear an Australian flag on their face too. They do not represent Australians.

Or the we grew here you flew here idiots in cronulla. They validate a sterotype around the world that aussies are drunken yobbos. Well moat are when travelling to bali,thailand,s.e asia and or europe.

Whilst you're right it simply can't be denied that many,if not most religions are heavily linked with a perticular race or people group. Now obviously that's not an excuse to assume that all Indians are Hindus or Arabs Muslims, but there is a large cross over.

Still have a giggle when pauline hanson said she didnt have a problem with muslim christians :lol: i think she didnt realise they are known as arab christians. Sadly there a lot more like here who think Arabs =muslims . Or that iranians are arab which is wrong or that all Asian women want to sucky sucky when o/s

I do not disagree with you. But eluding to this fact infers that there is a problem with the people and not with the religion. Assuming motives is counter-productive.

Dangerous stereotypes.

It's like assuming that white people want to oppress every other culture, bloody imperialist pigs :lol:

The people who use their religon to justify ones views is wrong. Take for example the jihadis using islam as a right to take out innocents when its their own warped view of it. Same with the Christin right who think that gay marriage or inter racial marriages is a work of satan.

What confuses me with religion and these issues in particular is that the bible is pretty explicit and so is the Quran (probably the Torah as well, wouldn't know), so these 'extremists' are just taking a literal interpretation of a book written a long time ago. I must admit that I find the 'pick-and-choose' approach to following a religion somewhat strange. If I were faithful I'd live in constant fear that I cherry-picked the wrong parts :d

If i take the bible litterally then i wouldnt step foot outside my house ie ned flanders. Well i got called a picker and chooser by someone on here because i didnt follow the dogma set by the bible correctly. I see it as something that can be lived by if you avide by your own set of values.