I have a feeling that you could have condensed this to something about white middle class privilege :lol:

Hockey going all pro-republic all of a sudden.

This Government is a shambles.

Wtf is guiding their policy making atm??

-PB

A roll of the dice. Also the fact that abott is polling bad the lnp are throwing out shot to appear like they're doing something ala the faux outrage of the twitter handle abottlikesanal

It's probably fairly obvious that I disagree with a lot of what the Greens stand for, particularly concerning mining and LNG. I however, do try to keep an open mind.

One thing that has annoyed me is this from Larissa Waters FB:

"The sun is setting on the coal industry. This isn’t the time to rip up our environment laws and dredge in the Great Barrier Reef – it’s time for a transition plan to a cleaner economy. Without one, the State and Federal Governments are failing the 18,000 coal miners who've lost their jobs in the last two years, and failing the agricultural and tourism sectors who rely on a stable climate. My letter to the Courier Mail today"

Not 2 days ago Michael Roche clarified this dredging which is 50km away from the reef. While I am sure there would be some affects (there is a report and EIS publicly available for the dredging which pretty much says "we don't know what would happen if you dredge this much material") this lady is repeatedly eluding to dredging the reef.

No wonder people are p*ssed off. They're being led to believe that the actual reef will be dredged by people like Larissa. I find it pretty harmful to make inaccurate statements such as this. That's not to say it doesn't happen throughout politics on all sides every day, it's just one I've noticed having read the roasting Mr. Roche gave this lady the other day.

Yep.

That dredging furphy gets a fair run out every time. It's a huge bunch of bullshit. They are dumping it 40kms + from the reef itself in what is, in effect, an underwater desert.

The way the Greens bang on you'd think they were strip mining the barrier reef itself and filleting Nemo alive.

In some countries like Denmark gay couples can get married in any church they want, it's mandatory for all churches to conduct gay marriages whether they like it or not.

The argument here is if marriage equality is legalised the next crusade will be to eliminate inequality from all areas of life and society including religion, schools, etc.

Its pretty obvious that gay marriage isn't the end game, its the only the beginning towards securing total equal rights and acceptance of homosexuals and eliminating all forms of prejudice and discrimination.

and the problem with that is what?

It's a problem if you like religion and your god tells you homosexuality an abomination. It's a nightmare if you're a priest and the government forces you to marry two gays before god, it's completely at odds with the doctrine.

Forcing people to do things that is contrary to their core beliefs and moral fibre is an infringement of human rights.

So being forced to drive under the speed limit an infringement of human rights?

Um no it isn't.

This is the thing with fear mongers. Were not racist / homophobic buuuttttt....... Even though the problem your talking about is easy to solve without much hassle if you DOOO do that, then this hrrible thing will happen.

Its like saying for some reason if gays can marry we will lose the power to stop people marrying animals.

Also it is common for peole to claim if this law goes through they will MAKE us do this other thing. Again this is not a cause and effect scenario. Legal Gay marrige does not mean forced church weddings by priests....

Yep rusty with another variation of the "slippery slope" argument :roll:

With the Danish example, there is probably some complexity in that they have a national established church (equivalent to the Church of England).

Therefore it is not a private organisation - it is an extension of the state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Denmark

They must work the same way as Rob Sitch's team works on Utopia, or how cohesive the team is on that movie "In The Loop", starring Peter Capaldi

People are aware that Peter Fitzsimons who is the chair of the Australian Republican Movement gave a speech at the national press club and Hockey gave a comment on the idea? It might be partially a distraction but it wasn't some Liberal party conspiracy.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-27/peter-fitzsimons-reignites-the--australian/6728510

Edited by mcjules: 27/8/2015 09:05:40 PM

It can mean that though, such as in Denmark where legalising gay marriage has led to forced church weddings. It's not really a good reason to deny gays the right to marry, but it's something that should probably be drawn up in legislation to protect the rights of religious groups.

I hope it does force religious people into conducting gay weddings.
Slowly, slowly non-evidence based thinking (religion) is being stripped away. And rightfully so.

One would imagine gay people wouldn't want to get married in a church. Why would you when the majority of religiou people tell you what you do is wrong?

This. Why would they marry in a religious place when they've been told by a lot of religious people what they are doing is wrong

What are peoples thoughts on this trade deal?

-PB

Overall I think the trade deal is a good thing.

However, there are some legitimate concerns on specific issues. However, the scare campaigns demonising China are wrong too.

Border Force going to be checking peoples visa's in Melbourne's CBD?

Because they may be "Catholics" like you who are the "choose your own adventure" types who think that God made them just the way they are and why can't they get married in "their" church if they want to.

Remember you're the bloke who argued against strict interpretations and an adherence to church doctrine preferring to supplant what you think it should represent.

Without resulting to insults explain your way out of this.

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=103224&p=5

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-28/border-force-to-check-visas-on-the-streets-of-melbourne/6732086


The fuck is this?

Disgraceful. Absolutely disgraceful. He has subk to a new low

The feds have started the facist raids.

Edited by TheSelectFew: 28/8/2015 12:22:06 PM

Nice evasion.

Gr8 B8 M8 :roll:

Its plausible they've got some leads on possible terror suspects however the police wont tell the public as they wouldnt want to cause panic. Its no harm and better to be safe than sorry I say.