He's the one who is showing himself up to be a theological hypocrite.

The question is fair and reasonable. I'd like to see it answered.

If he wants to answer it then he's welcome to but if it was me I wouldn't as everything becomes an antagonistic shit fight with you.

Mate I'm not the one being logically inconsistent. He's made a statement on the previous page. It is inconsistent with his previous ramblings so I'm asking him to clarify/justify what he has written.

It's a free country where anyone can put forward an opinion but if you do be prepared to defend it.

You and I might disagree on various subjects but at least you have the decency to put well thought arguments to back up your statements.

They may or may not be right but at least they're there.

This government is absolutely disgusting - appeals to the lowest common denominator

No wonder Malcolm Fraser disowned his own party

Edited by Murdoch Rags Ltd: 28/8/2015 01:06:12 PM

Extremely long bow to think they will somehow catch terrorists in a simple stroll around the CBD.
Its purely to propagate the fear mongering campaign of the right wingers.

So it would seem according to this it will be VicPol who do the 'random' stops and ABF doing the background and visa checks, which of course makes it all ok.



Edited by sydneycroatia58: 28/8/2015 01:21:51 PM

?? DAFAQ YOU on about?

Not many steps away from being the "Camicie Nere". Some shameful shit.

I don't actually think he is being logically inconsistent but you and I both know it's going to turn into a personal slanging match pretty quickly.

All i know munrubs is upset that as a Catholic i need to belive all the dogma associated with it. Its like a religous person cant think for one self and have their own beliefs

Slippery slope argument.

Perhaps :lol: In my opinion the border force are an absolutely unnecessary paramilitary organisation and should be disbanded.

Edited by mcjules: 28/8/2015 02:17:53 PM

Nothing beats that warm welcoming feeling coming back into Oz yesterday like the nice antagonistic ABF areas you go through at the airport.

Must feel great as a tourist.

Such a typical Tone kids toy to help his Stop the Boats rhetoric.

Also what is with anouncing that there will be tax cuts used as an election promise? what happened to the budget emergency?

-PB

Upsurge in terrorist attempts and one actual attack last year maybe it is necessary. Labor supports it but perhaps not the expense on the new uniforms. We live in a much different world to 20 years ago, other countries are doing similar things to beef up security while Australia has been a soft target.

lol Operation Fortitude disbanded by VicPol. That lasted long.

Stopping random people in the CBD has nothing to do with stopping terrorists, and EVERYTHING to do with "displaying force" to the general population so the govt can win "security" brownie points.

Even the over-the-top press release and reaction is intended - they want the rent-a-crowd lefties to come out and protest.

So then the political narrative shifts from the govt's problems to "security", an issue conservative govts always benefit from. The average joe will take the govt side when he sees the Socialist Alliance crowd out protesting on the news.

And everyone forgets about the govt problems of the last few months.

:lol: Border Force officers apparently stuck in an office at Flinders St Station because of protesters.

Exactly this =d>

Also do people really think the Lindt Cafe Siege was a terrorist attack?

This happening in Melbourne and it isn't even HAL season yet, imagine when Wanderers come to town.

In fairness to Tony, Police State gets you +25% military unit production, -50% war weariness and +25% Espionage Points (in the Beyond the Sword expansion pack)

Ah if he's doing this to get ready to defend us from Gandhi's nukes then I fully support it!

Short answer is yes. An internationally recognised expert in the field says so, so who am I to argue.
If you lived in Sydney you'd understand.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-25/sydney-siege-inquest-hears-monis-a-radicalised-terrorist/6723172

Short answer is yes. An internationally recognised expert in the field says so, so who am I to argue.
If you lived in Sydney you'd understand.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-25/sydney-siege-inquest-hears-monis-a-radicalised-terrorist/6723172[/quote]
I disagree on the account of his mental health and he worked completely alone.

Regardless, public security at the expense of the public's privacy and freedom is not appropriate. It's interesting having someone here that seems to be so supportive of complete government control, at lease you're consistent.

What i find strange is some people on the radio and on social media have stated if you got nothing to hide it shouldnt bother you

We call those people fascists.

Edited by paladisious: 28/8/2015 05:19:36 PM

Well, the thing is it was an act of terrorism... by 1990s standards of terrorism. Only problem is the term terrorism is evolving through misuse to describe deliberate malicious acts of public violence by people of other races, ethnicities or religions, whereas white terrorism is someone with a mental health issue in the form of a mass murder or a killing spree. Like how literally and irony now also hold traditionally incorrect meanings through constant misuse.

Semantics aside I do agree with you, a police state is not the answer. Especially not when the power is held by institutionally biased leaders. Also this sort of fascist bullshit wouldn't have stopped the Lindt Cafe siege; the guy was a resident. Net result would have been a few people sent home, a bunch of residents angry at being racially profiled and the cafe attack still would have happened. Same result, only more angry (and hence more easily "radicalised".) locals. Dumb move by a backward, incompetent government.

Edited by Scoll: 28/8/2015 05:21:14 PM

I can see andrew bolt twisting this around and try to blame labour .

What the fuark

How atavistic :-"

After this: i want to see victoria exercise some social darwinism and eugenics :-k

Edited by condemned666: 28/8/2015 05:41:02 PM

The unabomber was a terrorist. He acted completely alone and was mentally deranged however the common thread is they were both inspired and politically motivated.

edit fixed quoting problems

Edited by trident: 28/8/2015 05:55:08 PM