Why are people shocked that the most conservative areas of Australia are full of the most uneducated? Seriously guys. You're an embarrassment. There is no use trying to stamp any kind of moral or ethical philosophy onto conservative beliefs in the year 2015 unless a) You're batshit insane like Bernardi b) You actually believe "by the bootstraps" works and c) you're convinced that trickle down economics work, despite it... uh, never, ever happening.

Go outside. Walk around and talk to people. You'll see the world is actually a better place when people care about each other rather than merely themselves.

So much bipartisan wankery in here.

The facts are: Abbott was fucking shit and the people that came before him are no longer relevant.

How backwards do you need to be when the only positive you can possibly come up with is to compare them within someone who is no longer relevant in the grand scheme of things?

Turnbull has started off by siding with the conservative faction in the LNP - and let's get one thing straight. Labor are not left wing. They have a very, very small faction of left wing ministers. That's it. This "Leftie" shit when talking about Labor is embarrassing. Have you never heard of Unity? Do you even know what Left Wing means?

Why are people shocked that the most conservative areas of Australia are full of the most uneducated? Seriously guys. You're an embarrassment. There is no use trying to stamp any kind of moral or ethical philosophy onto conservative beliefs in the year 2015 unless a) You're batshit insane like Bernardi b) You actually believe "by the bootstraps" works and c) you're convinced that trickle down economics work, despite it... uh, never, ever happening.

Go outside. Walk around and talk to people. You'll see the world is actually a better place when people care about each other rather than merely themselves.

Edited by Draupnir: 16/9/2015 05:54:43 PM

What does educated even mean?

You can have a bachelor of anything and still have no grasp of how reality works.

Going to university to get life experience in 12 tax payer funded degrees while you protest life's injustices does not make you educated.



People don't give a fuck. The worst people are the pseudo fucking worldliness who preach humanist nonsense with no back bone. Full of preaching until they have to put their balls to the wall.

Come back to reality champ.

Conservatives are entitled to their viewpoints. They'll still be wrong.

We do have an education problem in this country. The batshit crazy christians are allowed to run roughshod over scientifically proven facts while they diseducate their children and create another generation of uninformed.

What are you even on about ffs :lol: You talk shit about "education" and then try and define things - but have absolutely no fucking clue about what their actual definitions are. Where did I even mention university? Or bachelor? You're assuming stuff and making a fool out of yourself.

There is a difference between educated and intelligent. Nowhere did I call anybody unintelligent - Or can't you read?

You have no idea mate. My family is shit. My dad has brain cancer, mum had polio as a kid, both were massive drug addicts and we had no money. Who the fuck are you telling to come back to reality and put my balls to the wall :lol: ? But somehow I am protesting life's injustices? Nah mate. But you know what'd be great? If things improved so people don't have to actually go thorugh the shit I went through. You sum up everything that is wrong with the right wing mentality. Just because life isn't "just" doesn't mean it shouldn't be improved.

As for uneducated, have a look in the mirror champ. Your psychological evaluations belong backstage at an Andrew Bolt show or in a year 6 class room. If you want a definition of both uneducated and unintelligent, have a look in the mirror, or alternatively, check out this article from today where a Liberal senator told a Labor senator to "speak Australian"

The saddest part is that I've probably come so much further and "pulled myself up from the bootstraps" than any of the absolute dog turds like you, lukerobinho or Rusty - The difference is that people who escaped it don't want others to go through it, whilst the ones like you think there is some kind of merit in having a shitty life and trying to escape it.

Draupkick doing well for himself. 433 doing a passable impression of a ten cent undergraduate intellectual. Roll on.

> Went to tax payer funded uni
> Works for mining consulting company
> Read Gold Coast Bulletin
> Leaves comments like "This is the fault of white rich people and Tony Abbott........ just like everything else right?" on Sky News.
EDIT: >Uses real name on a forum where he talks shit. :lol:

Sounds like someone who'd be awesome hang out with.

Edited by Draupnir: 16/9/2015 08:02:23 PM

Exactly what I was talking about :lol:

This rampant intellectual elitism among the self-enlightened progressive left.

Trolling batfink?

Having an actuall debate?

With batfink?

How delusional are you spud?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

-PB

Draupnir why so much projection?

He's right - all this talk about altruism and "caring for others" is nonsense. The sooner everyone gets it in their heads that no-one (including but not limited to the government, corporations and even random people on the street) gives a fuck about you, the better.

It's annoying when the left-wingers automatically dismiss conservative viewpoints - "you sound like that stupid Andrew Bolt", "go back to year 6" etc. out of nothing besides pseudo-intellectual elitism.

Keep in mind, I'm a mixed bag of political viewpoints. But it really is telling which side likes to flaunt its moral superiority and claim some sort of faux-moral highground without doing a single thing themselves.

Exactly what I was talking about :lol:

This rampant intellectual elitism among the self-enlightened progressive left.

You absolute cunt of a person.

Just some facts for you:

1) self funded through uni, I have no HeCS debt. Nice try though.
2) we are actually civil and construction consultants. Our major clients are civil contractors. Mining work accounts for approximately 10% of our work.
3) What kind of sick perverted fuck stalks someone on FB to come back at them on an internet forum? :LOL: You have to be the worst person on here. At least I don't need a username to hide who I am so I can be a keyboard warrior.
4) Do you understand irony? Clearly not.

I would thank you not to stalk me on Facebook because lets face it, your attempts to undermine me are inappropriate.

In order to avoid reporting you to a mod for being an absolute dog i'd prefer you didn't stalk me on FB in a pathetic attempt to try and paraphrase my life and social media habits to reinforce your point. There is no need for it. You're probably acting your age given your tone with people in here but I respectfully ask you not to visit my FB again with the intention of using it to post here.

If you try hard you can do it......:-s :-s

I've radically changed my views on the Greens listening to Richard Di Natale. It was hard to look past how much i hated Milne in the past :lol:

Except that you can't rationally ever look at the LNP in a poor light nor can you push past the idea that anyone disagreeing with the current government must be an ALP stooge :lol:

"But i am impartial............. but not really...............:-s :-s :-s :-s"

So no, it can't be done and that's why I don't bother.

-PB

His last act was to make us all wait. A defeated, failed prime minister gummed up the constitutional machinery of the nation as best he could for most of a day, while he attended to who knows what.

Tony Abbott, the 'lonely nihilist', has one last lesson for us
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In the end, of course, the hours of silence – hours which even a freshly deposed Kevin Rudd, for all his egotism, did not allow himself – turned out to be simple petulance, reportedly underpinned by a hangover. And this in turn came from his prodigious, now wounded sense of entitlement.

To go with good grace would be to acknowledge the legitimacy of others’ claims: those of colleagues or citizens. Instead, in the final hours before he is said to have faxed his resignation to the governor general, he demonstrated the core meaning of his premiership. And that, simply, is a deep, even existential resentment.

Every last joule of Tony Abbott’s political energy, every last howl of his most committed supporters, was derived from what philosopher Lauren Berlant once called “the scandal of ex-privilege”, including “rage at the stereotyped peoples who have appeared to change the political rules of social membership, and, with it, a desperate desire to return to an order of things deemed normal”.

The “normality” which has been lost in Australia and other western democracies is the unquestioned social and political primacy of white men. Recent decades have seen new kinds of political claims emerge, and a plurality of values, cultures and lifestyles. The rules of the game have, after long struggles, shifted.

Rather than respond to this with accommodation, negotiation and hospitality, much of the right have elected to fight a prolonged culture war that demands the return of white, male, heterosexual authority, something that never truly existed in the way they imagine it.

For 30 years they have pursued this odd and catastrophic project. Abbott was the avatar of those in the Liberal party and the media whose every political commitment derives from this reactionary impulse.

Abbott was initially pushed forward to replace Turnbull, who presumed to negotiate with Labor in order to do something about climate change. In this, his backers from the Liberal party’s hard right, and their cheerleaders in the media, could only see a crypto-communist plot to further restrain the freedoms of people like them.

Just like with Aboriginal reconciliation, they could only read it as an attack on the colonial and capitalist legacy they see as the source of all propriety (not to mention property). And, of course, Abbott’s point-blank refusal to commit to any meaningful response to climate change was the reason they put him there. He would make them feel like things were no longer slipping beyond their control.

The sense of lost control feeds into other elements of Abbott’s entirely negative and destructive legacy.
The sense of lost control feeds into other elements of Abbott’s entirely negative and destructive legacy. In the parting speech that he finally delivered, he was considerate enough to mention a few highlights.

One was a royal commission into his political opponents, the credibility of which is currently in tatters. Another was his success in “stopping the boats”. A lot of people, including the opposition, have connived in giving this a humanitarian gloss. But it has only kept desperate people where they are, corrupted our neighbours, and perhaps even branches of our own government.

He also harped, cynically, on dubious threats to national security. Unfortunately for him, the button that Howard regularly pressed in times of trouble no longer appears to be connected to anything.

Even in his many failures and missteps he revealed his toxic nostalgia. The effort to repeal laws around racial vilification – which, like so much else, stalled in the Senate – were not about free speech, but the freedom of white men to hand out racial abuse.

The disastrous decision to reinstate imperial honours, his inability to anticipate how it would be mocked, showed how he regarded the trappings of Anglo-imperial power not as something we’d moved on from, but as something that had been cruelly stripped away by his enemies in the culture wars.

Even his physique answered to 19th century notions of muscular Christianity and a masculine ideal premised on imperial service. He tried to enact these martial dreams in the usual place, the Middle East, begging to be asked by the current imperial power to commit Australian bodies to an action that will at best be a marginal component of a marginal mission. What a strange fate for a post-colonial nation: to be ruled by a Victorian relic.

The “scandal” that propelled Abbott’s early political life was women taking control over their reproductive lives. The scandal that propelled him to power was the spectacle of a woman – unmarried, childless – occupying the lodge. Anyone who denies the mobilising power of antifeminism in what happened to Gillard probably doesn’t look too hard at grassroots conservatism.

The most enduring image of his political career deserves to be that of him addressing an ageing crowd on the lawns of parliament house, with signs behind him calling her a “bitch” and a “witch”.

For the tinpot Tea Party who gathered there on that day – for a rally against the carbon tax – Gillard was every woman who had advanced in the workplace at the expense of some white guy like themselves, and every change that had made such outrages possible. While Gillard’s record in office on core feminist issues is questionable, such distinctions are lost to those immersed in the euphoria of resentment.

Conflicting promises present Malcolm Turnbull with core leadership dilemma
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Following his disastrous tenure, which did nothing but advance this bizarre, reactionary inversion of identity politics, Abbott’s parting speech failed to acknowledge the incoming prime minister. Instead, he pressed the themes of honour and service.

After all the wreckage he caused, after all the self-indulgence and self-absorption, after the needless pain caused by policies designed to please the kind of senator who worries about halal food or bestiality, Abbott left office feeling sore and under-appreciated. He was still demanding the gratitude he felt he was owed. His final will and testament was the airing of yet more grievances, one last flourish of this strange and selfish man’s trademark politicised self-pity.

well that's not really true, i guess in my defence i would say this forum is so loaded with left wing, socialist and communist views that is why i respond as i do...... i didn't like Abbott as a leader (if you can call him a leader), i didn't like his style of leadership, didn't like the way he threw policies around with no party backing or consultation, hated the way the turd, ummm and arrghed and repeated the same line ad nauseam. for me he is a mixed bag, ultra conservative but operates like a union bloke with jobs for the mates and buddies at any expense......and when they bugger up, he back them to the hilt, FFS why isn't anyone accountable for their actions these days??????