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paulbagzFC wrote:Dont get so anecdotal Munrub.
-PB He's allowed to because he is sage who knows all . From religion to poltics to science . Also calls people who pick and choose parts of religion idiots when he has no idea why people pick and choose.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:No you dont . All you do is hound people who disagree with you. Look up google as you told me . I aint doing your work for you if you want to discredit me . Look it up . All i see from you is someone who needs validation from strangers. I did look it up. I couldn't find it. WHICH PART OF THAT DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND? YOU made the statement. The onus is on YOU to provide the proof, not me. Your lack of proof or even a solitary link shows me you that you were talking out of your arse.
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Munrubenmuz wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:No you dont . All you do is hound people who disagree with you. Look up google as you told me . I aint doing your work for you if you want to discredit me . Look it up . All i see from you is someone who needs validation from strangers. I did look it up. I couldn't find it. WHICH PART OF THAT DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND? YOU made the statement. The onus is on YOU to provide the proof, not me. Your lack of proof or even a solitary link shows me you that you were talking out of your arse. What ever you say mr sage . What ever you say have a good night
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Muz
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paulbagzFC wrote:Dont get so anecdotal Munrub.
-PB Well I tried logic, deductive and inductive arguments and they didn't work so I thought I'd give anecdotal a crack. Seems that was a dud approach too.
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Muz
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:Manrub, please use an appropriate avatar
Are you 2 related? It seem that if you buy one you get one free. No one is yelling at a cloud. Chump made a ridiculous statement. I asked said Chump to back up statement with link. Known prevaricator couldn't. And here we are. You posting a meme about me.
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BETHFC
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Munrubenmuz wrote:benelsmore wrote:A question that interested me from a link posted in another thread by Murdoch's Rags: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-11/vote-compass-full-data-explorer/5016244The one that sticks out is making it law to have more women in senior positions. What does this achieve? The first issue I see is that making a quota system create's the whole "you're only here because you have to be" mentality that leads to a lack of respect in my view. Whilst I agree positions should be filled by the most appropriate candidate, enforcing quotas will have a negative effect in my view. Without getting into an argument about quotas and merit based appointments here's a hypothetical for you that I wonder if you could answer? If almost every other country in the OECD has more women (by a long shot) represented on boards, in parliament and as CEO's than say country X would you say country X has a cultural problem towards women in positions of power or not? Or would you say that those women that live in country X are not as talented as women in all of those other countries that has a much higher representation across the board? A cultural problem or women without talent and ambition? Please don't tell me about pregnancies and families etc unless the women in those other countries don't have uteri. I'm not sure, maybe we do have a cultural problem. I just see it as an issue forcing these women into positions. Much like having indigenous quotas hasn't really worked on large projects.
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AzzaMarch wrote:I don't get the accusation that she is "playing the gender card". She made some fairly obvious points about how female authority figures are perceived as opposed to men, that's all.
As to the issue of quotas - I am not vehemently against them, but think they are not necessarily as effective as they should be. Because they apply a Band-Aid solution without dealing with the root causes of why there aren't enough women in those roles. Obviously, at the superficial level they work in regards to forcing men to accept more women in those roles, and modify (hopefully) inappropriate behaviours. But they don't address underlying causes like the way work life is structured to make it hard to balance family life, combined with the societal expectations of women to manage the kids etc etc. I'm a geotechnical engineer at a 3rd tier (it) company. We do a lot of the grunt work for the swanky firms like your GHD, Golder, Aecom and Aurecon. We hired a female geologist a few years ago and had a few issues. Some of our work is pretty hands on and she couldn't move the samples nor carry out some of the testing. As a result we had to send a lab technician out with her and that was inefficient. The bigger issue was tradesmen requesting her specifically so they could perv on her when she came to site. I've seen a lot of that sort of nonsense on work sites. Trades just about fall over every time a lady walks past. They have big issues at the Gold Coast Private Hospital being right next to Griffith University!
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Fucking lol at Hunt being the saviour of the BOM. How fucking clueless was Tone to think that BOM were trying to propogate some kind of Climate Change propaganda lol. -PB
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:No you dont . All you do is hound people who disagree with you. Look up google as you told me . I aint doing your work for you if you want to discredit me . Look it up . All i see from you is someone who needs validation from strangers. pretty sure it's called "put up or shut up", he has a point, you can't just make accusations without supplying supporting evidence....
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paulbagzFC wrote:Fucking lol at Hunt being the saviour of the BOM.
How fucking clueless was Tone to think that BOM were trying to propogate some kind of Climate Change propaganda lol.
-PB Good on Hunt for standing his ground and supporting the BOM Abbott is so desperate that he undoes himself terribly
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It doesn't take much to see in the interview that Greg Hunt was embarrassed by Tony Abbott
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That's the thing - within the Lib Party Hunt and Morrisson are regarded as moderates, rather than cultural conservatives.
Will be interesting to see if they start acting more rationally now Abbott is gone.
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paulbagzFC wrote:Fucking lol at Hunt being the saviour of the BOM.
In the interview, he still makes hypocritical statements about the Climate Change Authority and their investigations into an ETS. The only comfort I can take is the influence of Abbott, the scientific Luddite, is gone. It's just a bugger that we have to continue with Direct Action, that Turnbull knows is insufficient, just to appease the Luddite element of his party. It now won't be until 2019 that the Libs will go to an election with an ETS.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Her influence in tony abotts office was bordering on micromanagement. Tony was pm but she felt she had the power to run the country. I don't know where you are getting the "she felt she had the power to run the country" thing from. I've never seen anything accusing her of formulating policy. The issue was that she was alleged to be running the PM's office in an overly aggressive manner. But she is only acting on the PM's instructions. I think this is the whole point about the gender argument - in other cases, a Chief of Staff acting in an aggressive manner would be blamed on the PM. But because she is a woman the focus goes on her. She is running the PM's office on the instruction and at the behest of the PM.
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Hate buzzfeed but this is quality :lol: Warning for the homophobes, you probably don't want to click this http://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/bolt-in-the-lock#.gq1AgYAx0
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Swinging Voters on LatelineI cringed hard :lol:
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These are the sort of people that decide who runs the country :oops:
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mcjules wrote:These are the sort of people that decide who runs the country :oops: i think i would sack the guy who put the study group together. poor cross section of the electorate of Lindsay
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Didn't Fiona Scott, the Liberal member who holds Lindsay, state that asylum seekers are causing traffic on the surrounding roads, during the 2013 election campaign? As for swinging voters, people think that because they are swinging they are more informed. There was a book written by an academic on swinging voters (can't remember the name of it), that basically stated they aren't 'informed' or 'more thinking' at all. They generally have a fairly superficial interest in politics. And yes, they ultimately decide the running of the country. If you want to depth of thought on critical issues that have the greatest affect in the long term, talk to a left wing voter.
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batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:These are the sort of people that decide who runs the country :oops: i think i would sack the guy who put the study group together. poor cross section of the electorate of Lindsay It's not supposed to be a cross section of Lindsay. It's supposed to be a cross section of "swing voters" in the seat of Lindsay. That old guy that talked dross about Labor "not caring about the economy" and "talking about things like gay marriage and climate change that people don't care about" was a classic :lol:
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote: If you want to depth of thought on critical issues that have the greatest affect in the long term, talk to a left wing voter.
:roll: Left wing voters are just as bad as right wing voters, except they seem to think they have moral high ground on a range of issues.
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benelsmore wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote: If you want to depth of thought on critical issues that have the greatest affect in the long term, talk to a left wing voter.
:roll: Left wing voters are just as bad as right wing voters, except they seem to think they have moral high ground on a range of issues. Well, the 2013 ABC Vote Compass did show that lefties are, on average, more educated - by extrapolation higher education results in higher levels of critical thinking.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:benelsmore wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote: If you want to depth of thought on critical issues that have the greatest affect in the long term, talk to a left wing voter.
:roll: Left wing voters are just as bad as right wing voters, except they seem to think they have moral high ground on a range of issues. Well, the 2013 ABC Vote Compass did show that lefties are, on average, more educated - by extrapolation higher education results in higher levels of critical thinking. An easy association to make when the results would be easily dragged down by hicks and bogans nation wide :lol: Higher education doesn't always make you any more worldly or intelligent. However, do you mean that left wing voters achieve more in the same courses compared to right wing voters?
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Regardless of what conclusions you draw as to why, it is well established that "centre left" voting is correlated with higher education levels. EG - the wealthier and better educated an electorate is, the more likely it is to vote centre-left or progressive. Take that for what you will.
Lefties will argue that smarter people vote progressive. My thought is that centre-right parties generally are regarded as stronger on the economy, security and law & order issues, whereas progressive parties are stronger on education and health. If you have money, are educated, and live in a nice neighbourhood your priorities more closely align with progressive parties, and vice-versa. It then comes down to the swinging 'aspirational' voters to decide who wins govt.
I realise I am over-simplifying this argument, but that is how I see it in broad terms.
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...and I say the above as a university educated person living in inner-city Melbourne!
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The only thing that's certain on this is that better educated and more affluent people tend to be more socially progressive. It's why the blue chip Liberal party seats like Turnbull's, Hockey's and Pyne's were struggling in the polls under Abbott's regime.
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benelsmore wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:benelsmore wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote: If you want to depth of thought on critical issues that have the greatest affect in the long term, talk to a left wing voter.
:roll: Left wing voters are just as bad as right wing voters, except they seem to think they have moral high ground on a range of issues. Well, the 2013 ABC Vote Compass did show that lefties are, on average, more educated - by extrapolation higher education results in higher levels of critical thinking. An easy association to make when the results would be easily dragged down by hicks and bogans nation wide :lol: Higher education doesn't always make you any more worldly or intelligent. However, do you mean that left wing voters achieve more in the same courses compared to right wing voters? The Vote Compass showed that lefties have higher levels of tertiary education, if that's what you mean.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:benelsmore wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:benelsmore wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote: If you want to depth of thought on critical issues that have the greatest affect in the long term, talk to a left wing voter.
:roll: Left wing voters are just as bad as right wing voters, except they seem to think they have moral high ground on a range of issues. Well, the 2013 ABC Vote Compass did show that lefties are, on average, more educated - by extrapolation higher education results in higher levels of critical thinking. An easy association to make when the results would be easily dragged down by hicks and bogans nation wide :lol: Higher education doesn't always make you any more worldly or intelligent. However, do you mean that left wing voters achieve more in the same courses compared to right wing voters? The Vote Compass showed that lefties have higher levels of tertiary education, if that's what you mean. So more left wing voters than right wing voters have a university/TAFE qualification?
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benelsmore wrote:So more left wing voters than right wing voters have a university/TAFE qualification? I think the answer to that is yes. But it is certainly true the other way - in areas with higher levels of tertiary education, voting for progressive/centre left parties is higher. If you look at electoral maps in Australia this is the general trend: Inner City/urban seats - vote ALP/greens Outer suburban/ Rural - Lib/Nats suburban - swinging seats that decide elections. Hence why "Western Sydney" gets invaded by politicians every federal election. They are the archetypal swinging voters.
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