Bravo Labor Party =d>

Also, replacing old copper with new? How ridiculous. No wonder Rusty is so happy with the current arrangement...

"Prime Minister John Howard has accused Kevin Rudd of stealing from the future after the Labor leader unveiled plans for a $4.7 billion high-speed broadband network."

Labor economics :lol: :oops:

Bravo indeed

And the Libs have lied constantly about how much their disaster of an NBN plan would cost. Faster,Cheaper, & more affordable :lol:

Bravo Labor Party =d>

The problem is the right wing are always better salesmen and the populous put relatively little effort into thinking.
In the same way they don't take action on global warming because they only grasp the short term economic costs against the long term, so they don't grasp the long term economic costs of having a copper NBN, to be replaced by a fibre one later.

Edited by Murdoch Rags Ltd: 14/10/2015 05:18:58 PM

But Labor haven't lied? :oops: :lol:

Labor denial :oops: :lol:

:lol: :oops:

The problem is the right wing are always better salesmen and the populous put relatively little effort into thinking.

In the same way they don't take action on global warming because they only grasp the short term economic costs against the long term, so they don't grasp the long term economic costs of having a copper NBN, to be replaced by a fibre one later.

I reckon the worse estimate would be the one that comes after some work has been done so there are some data points to refer to. :oops:

I reckon the far worse estimate is the billions of dollars pissed away on the NBN, rather than fuckin "data points"

Liberal supporters anti-technology? Well I never.

NBN Co rolling out “kilometres” of brand new copper to ensure FTTN actually works
By Renai LeMay - 14/10/2015 60

news The NBN company is deploying many “kilometres” of brand new copper in some areas to ensure that the Coalition’s Fibre to the Node model functions correctly, the Opposition claimed today, with Telstra’s copper network in such bad condition that up to “90 percent” of the copper needed to be repaired or replaced in some areas.

Labor’s initial model for the NBN project had focused on a near universial deployment of Fibre to the Premises (FTTP) technology, which is the best technology available to serve Australia’s telecommunications needs over the next 50 to 100 years. However, the Coalition has significantly changed the project’s network model, incorporating both the copper and HFC cable networks owned by Telstra and Optus.

The NBN company has previously acknowledged that it will need to remediate some of Telstra’s copper network to successfully deliver the the Fibre to the Node (FTTN) aspect of the so-called ‘Multi-Technology Mix’ — or even replace some copper cables entirely. Fibre to the Node involves deploying fibre partway to customers’ premises from telephone exchanges — and using existing copper for the remainder of the distance from streetside cabinets.

The NBN company will consider in each specific case whether to remediate or replace damaged copper, or whether it will instead deploy other technologies such as Fibre to the Premises, wireless or even satellite access.

The model is popular in Europe, but has a number of technical challenges not found in the more expensive and technically capable FTTP model.

However, in a speech to the Communications Day Melbourne Congress this morning (read the full speech online), Shadow Communications Minister Jason Clare said the NBN company was deploying more brand new copper than previously expected.

“I have been talking to some contractors in the field recently to get a feel for how good the copper network is – and how much of it needs work or needs to be replaced. They have told me that NBN’s working assumption is that 10 percent of copper pairs in Fibre to the Node areas will need remediation,” said Clare.
“But in places like Newcastle and the Central Coast, closer to 90 percent of the copper pairs have needed work.”

“In some places the copper is so bad it has to be replaced. Replacing old copper … with new copper. One contractor told me in Newcastle and the Central Coast 10 to 15 percent of the copper lines are having lengths replaced.”

“And this is not just happening in Newcastle or the Central Coast. Another contractor told me in Campbelltown in Sydney that NBN has had to recently replace almost 3 kilometres of old copper with new copper.”

Clare said this was the “real MTM — Malcolm Turnbull’s Mess”.

“Massively over budget, behind schedule, a raft of broken promises, an unrealistic roll out plan that doesn’t ramp up until after another election, and dodgy copper that needs to be fixed or is being replaced with more copper.”

“The Australian Labor Party is the party that conceived and started building the NBN. A fibre NBN. We are the party of fibre. The Liberal Party is the party of copper. They sold it. They bought it back. And now they are replacing it with new copper.”

"diversity for the sake of diversity"?
That wasn't relevant to my point. My point was that racism of the type where "ethnic" people find it harder to get work simply because of their name or how they look is objectively true and easily measurable.

That indicates a problem with their upbringing.
The simple fact is that people who commit terrorist acts are so statistically small that it is impossible to validly point to wider issues.

You are also ignoring the "converts" with no upbringing as a muslim who have gone to ISIS. It is too small a subset to be able to draw valid generalisations about.

Minorities have a harder time everywhere. It will never change.
It is simply untrue that it will never change. It has got better, and we can continue to do better to widen our circle of empathy.

I know from my father's time (Italian immigrant here in the 1960s) that things have improved. Also, I just don't accept that we shouldn't try and improve things because "things have always been this way". We used to have slaves too...

Racism is shockingly overused.
So what? That doesn't de-value the examples of actual racism that exist.

The problem is unfit parents and stupid kids. Unfortunately we cannot regulate who does and does not pro-create.

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Edited by munrubenmuz: 15/10/2015 11:39:23 AM

Re the NBN -

The ALP had a good idea but never conducted any independent feasibility studies or business cases - pretty major thing for such a huge project.

The Libs rightly criticised this. But then, politics being what it is in this country, announced a cut down version, with all the problems that has seen.

I suspect the ALP didn't want to publish a business case because it would show that it was not necessarily short term feasible.

But instead of actually taking this issue on and explaining that the role of govt is sometimes to fund infrastructure that the private sector wont (like the railways), they just obfuscated and released very little in the way of important information.

Of course, making the case would have required good long-term policy approaches, rather than trying to find 'announcables' to put in press releases.

So, while I am totally on-board with the criticism of the Libs policy. Part of the reason they were able to get away with that is because the ALP did not put the necessary groundwork in when it came to the numbers and making the business case.

Now, more than ever, we need non-political control of infrastructure investment decisions and prioritisation.

Now, more than ever, we need non-political control of infrastructure investment decisions and prioritisation.

You can say this about just about every piece of infrastructure spend that governments have done for decades.

I agree with "non-political decision making and control of infrastructure projects" but its very hard to get in practice. Boards can be stacked with "mates" very easily.

Regarding the project, it's very hard to see how a monopoly owner of a piece of critical 21st century infrastructure was going to not be long term feasible. Most people saw it, it's why it was extremely popular. The current government didn't win the last election on their NBN policy. The Libs came in to wreck something that would be seen as a great legacy of their political opponents and if they win the next election they will have succeeded.

You can say this about just about every piece of infrastructure spend that governments have done for decades.

I agree with "non-political decision making and control of infrastructure projects" but its very hard to get in practice. Boards can be stacked with "mates" very easily.

Regarding the project, it's very hard to see how a monopoly owner of a piece of critical 21st century infrastructure was going to not be long term feasible. Most people saw it, it's why it was extremely popular. The current government didn't win the last election on their NBN policy. The Libs came in to wreck something that would be seen as a great legacy of their political opponents and if they win the next election they will have succeeded.

Good news.

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/adani-coal-and-rail-project-gets-green-light-again/story-fnjfzs4b-1227570321149

Cue enviro melt-down.

Those conditions include protection of 31,000 hectares of southern black throated finch habitat and $1 million of funding for research into threatened species and protection of Doongmabulla Springs.


“The rigorous conditions will protect threatened species and provide long-term benefits for the environment through the development of an offset package,” Mr Hunt said.

“These measures must be approved by myself before mining can start.”

And when you're voted out of office one day you won't care Greg.

Say goodbye to both of those things along with the Barrier Reef in time.

-PB

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-PB