Free trade is why most of our work is outsourced and we no longer have a manufacturing sector. But yeah, keep swallowing liberal dogma.

Besides, the majority of the text isn't even about free trade.

Manufacturing provides a decreasing proportion of jobs in advanced economies, as does agriculture.

Why are manufacturing jobs so special?

Advanced economies are underpinned by services and information technology.

Most tariff barriers have been removed previously - non tariff barriers are what the TPP deals with.

Services are a ponzi scheme, that's why every western country is going broke

Mmmm hhmmmmm.... sure thing buddy. Who needs services and information technology anyway? Why don't we return to the gold standard while we are at it!

Not at the expense of some foreign company suing my Government no.

-PB

So in a late night news drop. Bill shorten had been found not guilty in the royal commission into union corruption.

Except that our economy is based on housing price speculation and flogging it off to the Chinese.

So yeah, manufacturing is important because our economy isn't capable of being an IT or technological powerhouse.

Besides, the non-trade aspects of the TPP scare me more.

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What makes you think we are any more suited to being a manufacturing powerhouse than an information based one?

The fact we are physically so distant from other countries makes markets which are based on abstractions like data and intellectual property even more important for us.

Regarding the "non-trade" aspects, the dispute resolution process benefits countries with strong legal systems the most.

Ignoring the hype about "losing sovereignty to corporations" the mechanism is there to resolve supra national disputes. It's no different to many other similar type tribunals that exist already.

But batfink said he was corrupt... :lol:

Released 8pm on a Friday.. yeah no bias there lol.

I'm no expert in any of this but I did hear Tanya Plibersek say that they've (the Australian Gov.) been tied up in a Singapore court to the tune of 10's of millions of dollars over plain packaging with Phillip Morris headquartering in a country in the trade zone specifically to be able to sue the Australian government.

That 50 mil is legal to date. They're actually suing for $8b I think.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-faces-50m-legal-bill-in-cigarette-plain-packaging-fight-with-philip-morris-20150728-gim4xo.html

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/07/taxpayers-cop-50m-bill-to-fight-philip-morris/

Yes - that is true. Which is why the TPP has a specific exclusion preventing tobacco firms from suing via the mechanism. They also have a more generalised "public health" defence govts can use.

Commission actually tried to defend the timing of the release . Saying they were always going to release it on a friday. I can see the news corp papers having small coloumn inches dedicated to it, also found Gillard had nothing to answer for again

Regardless of what you think of unions, it's pretty clear this whole thing was a farce and an attempted smear of ALP figures.

I dont mind them. Hell i was a member of two. The cfemu snd the amwu. They do good for their members

Yeah i dunno.... the CFMEU in particular have a lot to answer for. I would be happy if the royal commission was a genuine attempt to uncover specific issues of corruption, but it wasn't.

Oh the cfmeu has its good side.but it doesnt get mentioned due to unions=bad

I have no doubt that the CFMEU does great things for it's members. It's the way it deals with other parties that gives me concern.

Good old melbourne_television. Posting in the politics thread while his team is playing the first half of the FFA cup final.

That concerns me too, but in saying that the companies who deal with them also do some underganded stuff as well. There is a lot of murky shit that companies do to get the unions to back off. Also biscutman theres things called mobile phones and internet now

Such a massive MV fan - literally seconds after going 2-0 up in the cup final, "I think I'll make a thoughtful contribution to the politics thread ... "

#-o :roll: cry me a fucking river

Not quick enough to post in the "tit for tat royal commission" thread but I definitely want one into why can't Melbourne do something about those farkin seagulls!

Cost to much to hire a falcon

At the stadium where I am they have a recording of a falcon which plays over the speakers and is on repeat every couple of minutes. Seems to do the trick.

This is the mcc your speakimg about. Mv probably tried to get a falcon but probabky git told by the olymic park trust its a no no. They wont even hire them for the afl ffs

sooooooooooo salty

Just shows you have much of a waste of money royal commissions are, If you are so naive to think he is innocent then have a great day in the clouds......

Al Capone wasn't a gangster or into Racketeering..... he was never charged so he must never have been guilty.....


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you really must be kidding, surely you can't be so biased AND stupid

Salty. Face it the royal commission was a waste of tax payers money. 80 mil is a joke but i wouldn't expect you to say anything bad against the libs considering you're a swinging voter