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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Although its early days with election campaign polls, things are looking positive for the Libs to retain power: Quote:Galaxy: 54-46 to federal Coalition in Queensland, leads in marginal NSW seats The Courier-Mail today brings the Coalition one of its most encouraging poll results in a while, crediting them with leads on federal voting intention in Queensland of 54-46 on two-party preferred, and 46% to 33% on the primary vote. This compares with 57.0-43.0 at the 2013 election, and primary votes of Coalition 45.7% and Labor 29.8%. The only seats a uniform swing of 3% would net for Labor would be the Rockhampton region seat of Capricornia (margin 0.8%), which Labor has only lost three times since 1961, and the northern Brisbane seat of Petrie (0.5%). The poll was conducted Tuesday and Wednesday evening from a sample of 1176. Also from Galaxy, the Daily Telegraph has electorate-level polling showing the Liberals leading 54-46 in Lindsay and by unspecified amounts in Gilmore and Reid, with 50-50 results from Banks and Dobell and a 51-49 lead for Labor in Macarthur, the scene of last night’s leaders forum. More precise figures on that will be available at some point, hopefully soon. The polls were automated phone surveys of around 500 respondents per electorate. http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2016/05/14/galaxy-54-46-federal-coalition-queensland/ Of course there's too much to claw back really, but assuming a uniform swing statewide would be foolhardy, especially in Queensland. It also amazes me that those automated phone surveys do give such decent results for Labor considering it's pretty much only people over the age of 45 that even have landlines, let alone be bothered to respond to those sorts of calls.
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mcjules wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Although its early days with election campaign polls, things are looking positive for the Libs to retain power: Quote:Galaxy: 54-46 to federal Coalition in Queensland, leads in marginal NSW seats The Courier-Mail today brings the Coalition one of its most encouraging poll results in a while, crediting them with leads on federal voting intention in Queensland of 54-46 on two-party preferred, and 46% to 33% on the primary vote. This compares with 57.0-43.0 at the 2013 election, and primary votes of Coalition 45.7% and Labor 29.8%. The only seats a uniform swing of 3% would net for Labor would be the Rockhampton region seat of Capricornia (margin 0.8%), which Labor has only lost three times since 1961, and the northern Brisbane seat of Petrie (0.5%). The poll was conducted Tuesday and Wednesday evening from a sample of 1176. Also from Galaxy, the Daily Telegraph has electorate-level polling showing the Liberals leading 54-46 in Lindsay and by unspecified amounts in Gilmore and Reid, with 50-50 results from Banks and Dobell and a 51-49 lead for Labor in Macarthur, the scene of last night’s leaders forum. More precise figures on that will be available at some point, hopefully soon. The polls were automated phone surveys of around 500 respondents per electorate. http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2016/05/14/galaxy-54-46-federal-coalition-queensland/ Of course there's too much to claw back really, but assuming a uniform swing statewide would be foolhardy, especially in Queensland. It also amazes me that those automated phone surveys do give such decent results for Labor considering it's pretty much only people over the age of 45 that even have landlines, let alone be bothered to respond to those sorts of calls. Yes, you are right in the sense that there is a bias to older people with phone polls to landlines, however I thought that these programs were updated to include mobiles. Maybe not all. That said, the polling results would be subsequently weighted according to census demographic data, to match age percentages in the Australian population, so if there are too many old people responding they would be randomly discarded (or something like that)
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I know, I'm not suggesting they're wildly inaccurate but I think there are some challenges using the methods they do to get accurate results. As an aside, I quite like Metapoll's approach http://www.metapoll.com.au/house-of-representatives-metapoll
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paulbagzFC wrote:lol people are still asking Credlin for her opinion, fmd.
-PB She's actually quite good. I got a lot of time for her.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Aikhme wrote:rusty wrote:Left wing policy is populism at its core
Millionaires are baddies Take money off rich people and give it to poor people Everyone is equal Right wing are big meanies Bottomless pit of money to splash on welfare Evil corporations are naughty baddies
Obviously the bread and butter of liberal party ideology, economic growth, deficit /surplus, stable national finances, etc is probably a bit too complicated for the average punter to understand. Ironic considering peer reviewed research shows right wingers have lower average IQ than left wingers & the 2013 ABC Vote Compass showed right wingers had lower average education levels than left wingers Oh that's pretty ironic. :lol: You know, if we were to buy in to your Leftist Class Warfare rhetoric where the rich and powerful always vote Liberal, then I would have a tendency to believe that the rich and powerful are so because they are more intelligent intellectually and probably didn't waste their formative years smoking hooch, holding hands and singing John Lennon songs whilst high on crack, before they engage in Gay Anal Sex before they flake out into a stupor! Edited by Aikhme: 15/5/2016 01:34:39 AM
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Although its early days with election campaign polls, things are looking positive for the Libs to retain power: Quote:Galaxy: 54-46 to federal Coalition in Queensland, leads in marginal NSW seats The Courier-Mail today brings the Coalition one of its most encouraging poll results in a while, crediting them with leads on federal voting intention in Queensland of 54-46 on two-party preferred, and 46% to 33% on the primary vote. This compares with 57.0-43.0 at the 2013 election, and primary votes of Coalition 45.7% and Labor 29.8%. The only seats a uniform swing of 3% would net for Labor would be the Rockhampton region seat of Capricornia (margin 0.8%), which Labor has only lost three times since 1961, and the northern Brisbane seat of Petrie (0.5%). The poll was conducted Tuesday and Wednesday evening from a sample of 1176. Also from Galaxy, the Daily Telegraph has electorate-level polling showing the Liberals leading 54-46 in Lindsay and by unspecified amounts in Gilmore and Reid, with 50-50 results from Banks and Dobell and a 51-49 lead for Labor in Macarthur, the scene of last night’s leaders forum. More precise figures on that will be available at some point, hopefully soon. The polls were automated phone surveys of around 500 respondents per electorate. http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2016/05/14/galaxy-54-46-federal-coalition-queensland/ Great news! :d We can't afford a labor Government which would cause a Banking Collapse. Negative Gearing will result in a property price collapse. Which means that everyone's property values will fall, leaving the Labor Heartland mortgage belts over exposed to the Banks. People will need to put huge sums of money on their mortgage or have their homes dispossessed because they will fall outside Loans to Value Ratios (LVR). It would be a sub prime crisis, and some Banks might collapse necessitating a Bail Out.
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Aikhme wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:lol people are still asking Credlin for her opinion, fmd.
-PB She's actually quite good. I got a lot of time for her. You are so transparently bad as a troll :lol: "Quite good" :lol: -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:lol people are still asking Credlin for her opinion, fmd.
-PB She's actually quite good. I got a lot of time for her. You are so transparently bad as a troll :lol: "Quite good" :lol: -PB Wasn't trolling. I actually think she is a very intelligent woman who was treated very badly by the feral media. This is one example of sexism that actually does exist. It also happened to Gillard! The exact same thing as Credlin. But at least in Gillard's case, she was at least woeful! Edited by Aikhme: 15/5/2016 11:40:36 AM
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It's so nice living in Australia's least regressive state... Quote:The Victorian Government has reignited its feud with Canberra over the controversial Safe Schools program, announcing it will publicly provide material about sexual diversity that had been deleted from the Federal Government's website. It will launch its own web page today, to allow the resources that it says were watered down by the Federal Government. The initiative is designed to teach children about sexual and gender diversity and stamp out homophobia. Victoria's Education Minister James Merlino said the full program was vitally important because 75 per cent of same-sex attracted young people were bullied and they were six times more likely to attempt suicide. "It's a program that saves lives," Mr Merlino said. "We have never agreed with the watering down of this program. "[Prime Minister] Malcolm Turnbull has caved into bigots and bullies in his party, we're not going to accept that and we're going to be putting all of the resources on the Education Department's website." Mr Merlino said the State Government was providing an additional $300,000 a year to deliver the program in full. The Victorian Government said in March it would not make any changes to the anti-bullying program despite a Federal Government decision to amend it after concerns from conservative MPs. Federal Education Minister Simon Birmingham said some lesson plans would change and the program would only be used in high schools after a review. The review came after conservative Coalition MPs and senators said they were concerned about some of the material in the program. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-15/safe-schools-victoria-reignites-feud-with-canberra-over-program/7415452
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Aikhme wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Although its early days with election campaign polls, things are looking positive for the Libs to retain power: Quote:Galaxy: 54-46 to federal Coalition in Queensland, leads in marginal NSW seats The Courier-Mail today brings the Coalition one of its most encouraging poll results in a while, crediting them with leads on federal voting intention in Queensland of 54-46 on two-party preferred, and 46% to 33% on the primary vote. This compares with 57.0-43.0 at the 2013 election, and primary votes of Coalition 45.7% and Labor 29.8%. The only seats a uniform swing of 3% would net for Labor would be the Rockhampton region seat of Capricornia (margin 0.8%), which Labor has only lost three times since 1961, and the northern Brisbane seat of Petrie (0.5%). The poll was conducted Tuesday and Wednesday evening from a sample of 1176. Also from Galaxy, the Daily Telegraph has electorate-level polling showing the Liberals leading 54-46 in Lindsay and by unspecified amounts in Gilmore and Reid, with 50-50 results from Banks and Dobell and a 51-49 lead for Labor in Macarthur, the scene of last night’s leaders forum. More precise figures on that will be available at some point, hopefully soon. The polls were automated phone surveys of around 500 respondents per electorate. http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2016/05/14/galaxy-54-46-federal-coalition-queensland/ Great news! :d We can't afford a labor Government which would cause a Banking Collapse. Negative Gearing will result in a property price collapse. Which means that everyone's property values will fall, leaving the Labor Heartland mortgage belts over exposed to the Banks. People will need to put huge sums of money on their mortgage or have their homes dispossessed because they will fall outside Loans to Value Ratios (LVR). It would be a sub prime crisis, and some Banks might collapse necessitating a Bail Out. Now your using loaded language. Our banking system is so heavily regulated so banks collapsing doesnt happen.you kee that though
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Aikhme wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Although its early days with election campaign polls, things are looking positive for the Libs to retain power: Quote:Galaxy: 54-46 to federal Coalition in Queensland, leads in marginal NSW seats The Courier-Mail today brings the Coalition one of its most encouraging poll results in a while, crediting them with leads on federal voting intention in Queensland of 54-46 on two-party preferred, and 46% to 33% on the primary vote. This compares with 57.0-43.0 at the 2013 election, and primary votes of Coalition 45.7% and Labor 29.8%. The only seats a uniform swing of 3% would net for Labor would be the Rockhampton region seat of Capricornia (margin 0.8%), which Labor has only lost three times since 1961, and the northern Brisbane seat of Petrie (0.5%). The poll was conducted Tuesday and Wednesday evening from a sample of 1176. Also from Galaxy, the Daily Telegraph has electorate-level polling showing the Liberals leading 54-46 in Lindsay and by unspecified amounts in Gilmore and Reid, with 50-50 results from Banks and Dobell and a 51-49 lead for Labor in Macarthur, the scene of last night’s leaders forum. More precise figures on that will be available at some point, hopefully soon. The polls were automated phone surveys of around 500 respondents per electorate. http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2016/05/14/galaxy-54-46-federal-coalition-queensland/ Great news! :d We can't afford a labor Government which would cause a Banking Collapse. Negative Gearing will result in a property price collapse. Which means that everyone's property values will fall, leaving the Labor Heartland mortgage belts over exposed to the Banks. People will need to put huge sums of money on their mortgage or have their homes dispossessed because they will fall outside Loans to Value Ratios (LVR). It would be a sub prime crisis, and some Banks might collapse necessitating a Bail Out. Now your using loaded language. Our banking system is so heavily regulated so banks collapsing doesnt happen.you kee that though Oh believe me, the Banking system can collapse if and when the Banks become over exposed on home mortgages. A lot of people will be made homeless too. Anyone owing between 65 and 95% LVR is in risk of losing everything. Edited by Aikhme: 15/5/2016 12:13:04 PM
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Again not in australia . Our banks are over regulated for them to collapse. The mortagees can lose everything but the banks dont and if they do collapse they will be forensically audited to see why they fail .
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Again watching Paul Murray on Sky just to see what a blatant megaphone the show is for the right wing with the stacked panels, but also a smug laugh at how poor conservative logic is (an oxymoron). Put them up against a academic and they would be made to look like intellectual children. But nice to see them frothing at the mouth at the heretic Michael Kroger dictating that the Libs to preference The Greens in various Melbourne seats.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Again watching Paul Murray on Sky just to see what a blatant megaphone the show is for the right wing with the stacked panels, but also a smug laugh at how poor conservative logic is (an oxymoron). Put them up against a academic and they would be made to look like intellectual children. But nice to see them frothing at the mouth at the heretic Michael Kroger dictating that the Libs to preference The Greens in various Melbourne seats. As opposed to left wing logic of bleeding everyone dry?
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BETHFC wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Again watching Paul Murray on Sky just to see what a blatant megaphone the show is for the right wing with the stacked panels, but also a smug laugh at how poor conservative logic is (an oxymoron). Put them up against a academic and they would be made to look like intellectual children. But nice to see them frothing at the mouth at the heretic Michael Kroger dictating that the Libs to preference The Greens in various Melbourne seats. As opposed to left wing logic of bleeding everyone dry? How this rhetorical question is relevant to the quoted, I'll need some else to explain But on the issue of 'bleeding dry', the right wing is doing a dandy job of it with the economy thanks to their denial of anthropogenic global warming. The economy is being set up to be an economic basket case in future with our pitiful response. Germany, for example, are setting themselves up for the future once their renewable infrastructure is 'paid off' and energy production effectively becomes free. Concurrently, they will become experts in renewable technology that will lead to related exported products & services. Innovation nation my arse....
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Again not in australia . Our banks are over regulated for them to collapse. The mortagees can lose everything but the banks dont and if they do collapse they will be forensically audited to see why they fail . Yes it can happen in Australia. The Banks in Europe were just as heavily regulated. Regulation means nothing when the value of everything drops below certain triggers. When the Banks capital is not secured, you're looking at a collapse.
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BETHFC wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Again watching Paul Murray on Sky just to see what a blatant megaphone the show is for the right wing with the stacked panels, but also a smug laugh at how poor conservative logic is (an oxymoron). Put them up against a academic and they would be made to look like intellectual children. But nice to see them frothing at the mouth at the heretic Michael Kroger dictating that the Libs to preference The Greens in various Melbourne seats. As opposed to left wing logic of bleeding everyone dry? there is a breaking point unfortunately, before everyone flees the money to overseas jurisdictions.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:mcjules wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Although its early days with election campaign polls, things are looking positive for the Libs to retain power: Quote:Galaxy: 54-46 to federal Coalition in Queensland, leads in marginal NSW seats The Courier-Mail today brings the Coalition one of its most encouraging poll results in a while, crediting them with leads on federal voting intention in Queensland of 54-46 on two-party preferred, and 46% to 33% on the primary vote. This compares with 57.0-43.0 at the 2013 election, and primary votes of Coalition 45.7% and Labor 29.8%. The only seats a uniform swing of 3% would net for Labor would be the Rockhampton region seat of Capricornia (margin 0.8%), which Labor has only lost three times since 1961, and the northern Brisbane seat of Petrie (0.5%). The poll was conducted Tuesday and Wednesday evening from a sample of 1176. Also from Galaxy, the Daily Telegraph has electorate-level polling showing the Liberals leading 54-46 in Lindsay and by unspecified amounts in Gilmore and Reid, with 50-50 results from Banks and Dobell and a 51-49 lead for Labor in Macarthur, the scene of last night’s leaders forum. More precise figures on that will be available at some point, hopefully soon. The polls were automated phone surveys of around 500 respondents per electorate. http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2016/05/14/galaxy-54-46-federal-coalition-queensland/ Of course there's too much to claw back really, but assuming a uniform swing statewide would be foolhardy, especially in Queensland. It also amazes me that those automated phone surveys do give such decent results for Labor considering it's pretty much only people over the age of 45 that even have landlines, let alone be bothered to respond to those sorts of calls. Yes, you are right in the sense that there is a bias to older people with phone polls to landlines, however I thought that these programs were updated to include mobiles. Maybe not all. That said, the polling results would be subsequently weighted according to census demographic data, to match age percentages in the Australian population, so if there are too many old people responding they would be randomly discarded (or something like that) Yeah that poll seems a little out of line with the rest so far. Would like to see some more polling from QLD before taking this one too seriously.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:BETHFC wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:Again watching Paul Murray on Sky just to see what a blatant megaphone the show is for the right wing with the stacked panels, but also a smug laugh at how poor conservative logic is (an oxymoron). Put them up against a academic and they would be made to look like intellectual children. But nice to see them frothing at the mouth at the heretic Michael Kroger dictating that the Libs to preference The Greens in various Melbourne seats. As opposed to left wing logic of bleeding everyone dry? How this rhetorical question is relevant to the quoted, I'll need some else to explain But on the issue of 'bleeding dry', the right wing is doing a dandy job of it with the economy thanks to their denial of anthropogenic global warming. The economy is being set up to be an economic basket case in future with our pitiful response. Germany, for example, are setting themselves up for the future once their renewable infrastructure is 'paid off' and energy production effectively becomes free. Concurrently, they will become experts in renewable technology that will lead to related exported products & services. Innovation nation my arse.... when you post i weep for humanity
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Again not in australia . Our banks are over regulated for them to collapse. The mortagees can lose everything but the banks dont and if they do collapse they will be forensically audited to see why they fail . My understanding is that in the USA you can legit put the keys in the letter box and walk away. Over here, they'll chase you for every last cent. There is a reason why our banks didn't suffer through the GFC. They're set up and regulated to succeed. You're 100% right.
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Quote:Cutting taxes to balance the budget? You're having a Laffer Interest rates, not tax, are the overriding forces driving investment and investor behaviour right now. Yet the ideas propounded by Arthur Laffer and others - that cutting taxes will ensure economic growth - persists. It's time we started to ask why, writes Ian Verrender. Arthur Laffer is a jovial bloke despite all the critics, a ready smile on his lips, even when he's delivering a sarcastic crack at his enemies. Almost 42 years after his now famous steak dinner with Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney at Washington's Two Continents restaurant - where he illustrated his economic theory on a cloth napkin - Laffer and his devotees have stuck to their guns. The Laffer Curve, as it came to be known, formed an integral part of Reaganomics and Thatcherite thinking and Arthur became the poster boy. As Laffer explained to his dinner companions all those years ago, government revenue would be zero if companies were taxed at 100 per cent because there would be no incentive to operate. Similarly, it would be zero if taxes were completely eliminated. Somewhere in the middle was an optimum. Driven by Laffer's theory, the 80s were dominated by tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy, the idea being that lower taxes would provide an incentive for investment which in turn would create jobs, deliver economic growth and ultimately, raise more revenue. Dismissed by many, including George Bush senior, as voodoo economics and disparaged by mainstream economists as the Trickle Down Effect, the theory didn't exactly deliver the goods, particularly for Reagan. By the end of his eight year administration, the government deficit had blown out and debt ballooned. Even the Pope reckons it's a dud. It relies on "a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralised workings of the prevailing economic system", he wrote three years ago. It's a theory that hasn't lost all credibility, however. On a working tour of Australia last year, Arthur clearly touched a nerve within government circles, including Treasurer Scott Morrison, whose first budget - make that Economic Plan - borrows heavily from Arthur's supply side theories. Hence the corporate tax cut, to make us a more attractive place for foreign corporations that specialise in evading taxes, and to high income earners. In the rush to lower tax rates, so that revenue theoretically will rise at some undefined point down the track, it appears no-one ever really bothered to check what the optimum tax rate was. It's clear it is somewhere between all and nothing. But Laffer devotees continually want the rate pushed ever closer to zero........... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-16/verrender-cutting-taxes-to-balance-the-budget/7416608
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You do realize that this country will never become the socialist shit hole you want don't you mrags?
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I think "the tax cuts definitely equals growth and jobs" argument has been well and truly debunked in the preceding pages but I just love this video :lol: [youtube]Gc-LJ_3VbUA[/youtube]
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I don't think you can cut tax rates for the wealthy any more. Make the multi-nationals pay what's fair and be done with it.
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mcjules wrote:I think "the tax cuts definitely equals growth and jobs" argument has been well and truly debunked in the preceding pages but I just love this video :lol:
Where in the preceding pages was supply side economics debunked? Was it one of Murdochrags cut and paste jobs? :lol: Anyone can cut and paste anything. Murdoch rags could cut and paste something that argues tax cuts don't work, and then I could cut and paste something that claims it does work, ad infinitum. Cutting and pasting is for people like Murdochrags who are too lazy and intellectual incapacitated to make their own arguments, so they piggyback off smarter people and then claim because person A is smarter than person B, and murdochrags agrees with person A, he is therefore smarter than person B and all the people who agree with him.
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scotty21 wrote:You do realize that this country will never become the socialist shit hole you want don't you mrags? Good ol' either/or thinking of the right wing voter.......
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rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:I think "the tax cuts definitely equals growth and jobs" argument has been well and truly debunked in the preceding pages but I just love this video :lol:
Where in the preceding pages was supply side economics debunked? Was it one of Murdochrags cut and paste jobs? :lol: Anyone can cut and paste anything. Murdoch rags could cut and paste something that argues tax cuts don't work, and then I could cut and paste something that claims it does work, ad infinitum. Cutting and pasting is for people like Murdochrags who are too lazy and intellectual incapacitated to make their own arguments, so they piggyback off smarter people and then claim because person A is smarter than person B, and murdochrags agrees with person A, he is therefore smarter than person B and all the people who agree with him. :lol: :lol: :lol: Gawd, the logic. Never defer to experts or these more informed on an issue, because "I can argue for myself, without evidence thank you very much" FMD :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Wasn't talking about Murdoch Rags. AzzaMarch, Grazorblade (in particular) and others have posted considered arguments with supporting data from trusted sources. On Murdoch Rags, those that have been attacking him recently look even more foolish than he does. I think he overdoes it but he's basically satirising your simplistic "leftards hurr hurr" arguments that have been a staple on here from those with notionally "right wing" views for years. The fact that almost none of you realise it, adjust your behaviour but take offense to it is humorous to me. Edited by mcjules: 16/5/2016 12:52:14 PM
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mcjules wrote: your simplistic "leftards hurr hurr" arguments that have been a staple on here from those with notionally "right wing" views for years. I guessed that was the case. Thanks for confirming. "RA, RA, RA" & pile on would be the modus operandi of the right wing crowd.
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