It's incredible how we have the AFP are investigating Labor and leaks from NBN Co, which are highly illegal, yet some people are trying to spin this as if Liberals and Sky and Murdoch, the CIA, FBI and aliens from jupiter are involved in this conspiracy to undermine the Labor campaign.

Well those who preach having superior critical thinking skills usually have a modest income and lots of debt, so they need to find something else to bolster their self esteem.

Lol.

Phillippines has the slowest internet in south east Asia and one of the slowest in Asia

:lol:

I meant to say 1000 Mbps. It is fast enough for something like 90% of users and the NBN will provide these speeds at the top tier. :roll:

:lol: yeah nah

Yeah. It's pretty sad, particularly as he tries to juggle two arguments "the government shouldn't be spending money on this" and "the liberal party are doing a great job by implementing MTM even though it's costing as much as FTTP".

Links please?

1. based on official projections the project is largely on track. NBN Co's previous corporate plans were off target by millions
2 . if the main purpose of spending $50 billion plus on the NBN was so households could stream multiple 4K and 8K videos into their homes, we have severely lost our way.
3. What data do you have that Telstra have neglected the network? or are you just going off a few photos and anecdotal reports? The reality is there is a slow take up FTTx broabdand generally, operators and governments baulk at the cost of FTTP and remain unconvinced by alternatives such as FTTN. G fast is shaping up to be a game changer that bridges the gap between performance and cost. BT in the UK are deploying g fast on their existing FTTC/N network, so this technology will eventually retrofit with FTTN.

How The Philippines Got Asia's Worst Internet Service
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphjennings/2016/02/23/meet-asias-internet-laggard-the-philippines/#e67c28d717a4

Oh yeh, and what about the Billions it will cost the tax payer for FTTP?

Why is this spending justified when most people will find 100Mbps more than adequate?

Where is your business model and costings?

Problem with you guys is that you seem to think it is ok to put irresponsible infrastructure spending on the Government debt and burden the tax payer with more interest to the Banks. :roll:

Edited by Aikhme: 21/5/2016 04:38:49 PM

This is the sort of shit that happens in Malaysia and pseudo-democracies. It's absolutely disgraceful how the AFP are acting like the henchmen of the ruling party.

They knew labor were going to claim parliamentary privilege too so it was all a stunt.

Edited by mcjules: 21/5/2016 05:00:55 PM

1. Oh yes but the current ones are perfectly accurate :roll:
2. :lol: I made the point that there are more uses for it than just streaming video. You're the one that brought up that it would be fine for multiple 4K and it clearly isn't. I guess we can end the discussion on this point.
3. Nope. Straight from one of the documents the AFP are investigating :lol:

This point also applies to discussion point 1 that the publicly disclosed estimates are wrong.

If we had a large scale deployment of FTTN already, sure g.fast is a decent stop gap (but only a stop gap), but the fact is we don't and we're spending billions on a stop gap and it's costing almost as much as the best of breed solution.

:lol: yeah nah

I'm not mad about politics but I can't see how anyone can defend the way the government has handled the NBN :lol:

Ooh the accusations and conspiracy theories that the AFP were acting as the LNP's henchmen.

The AFP are investigating Labor Party leaks from NBNCo which is illegal.

Imagine if the Labor Party tried to leak out sensitive and secret Government Information. Investigations like this don't stop for anyone, and if it was the LNP I would be fully supporting the AFP and its investigative process if their was any hint of the LNP doing something illegal.

Edited by Aikhme: 21/5/2016 06:09:06 PM

Comparable to the Gestapo? That would be serious delusion (or at least hyperbole). However, there's a number of reasons to be suspicious about these raids:
1. The leaks aren't a national security issue, defence secrets or something that'd embarrass us diplomatically
2. NBN Co is a monopoly provider that's under no commercial threat
3. They only embarrass the government (and in particular "Mr Internet" Malcolm Turnbull)
4. Media was present at the raid

Of course it could all be a coincidence but to call anyone that has doubts over the raids as deluded is deluded themselves.

Agreed, so what in this raid that is in the interests of our nation?

But they don't, there are many leaks to media from within the government every year and almost none of them have such high profile raids.

I'd laugh if there was a leak about the federal raids :D

:lol: This is such an absurd departure from your typical tinfoil hat attitude towards political power. If the FBI raided Trump Tower over something as innocuous as this you'd be the first to claim that it was Obama interfering on behalf of Clinton.

Apparently a nbn staffer was taking pics and was working for the afp. And why the media were there is also a moot point, also the minister who looks after telecommunications knew about the raid before hand , he stated he didnt ti0 off malcom turnbull, but its made malcom look even more slimy which he doesn't need

:lol: God I'm looking forward to your apparently imminent entry into politics.

A couple of things:

1. These leaks are not "state secrets" (How thick are you? Although I'm sure this will be explained away as just some "exaggeration" on your part).
2. Trump will have access to highly sensitive national security information very soon. As the Republican nominee he will receive a regular defence briefing from the CIA. My hypothetical stands.

But regardless, the specifics of it are irrelevant. You're ridiculously suspicious of government when it suits you and entirely supportive of it when it doesn't. Moderation and consistency seem to be entirely foreign concepts to you.

Edit: What am I saying, of course they're foreign concepts. You're a fucking Nazi.

Edited by JP: 21/5/2016 11:03:55 PM

As far as the feasibility of your political career goes I guess you can take some solace from Hitler's rise.

He was also a loser in his twenties and look where he ended up.

You're telling me the media has a propensity for sensationalism? What an insightful and original opinion. Thank you for pointing that out!

And there it is. "I was exaggerating/wasn't being serious."

The bad part is I'm honestly not sure if you were kidding about going into politics, or kidding about being a Nazi.

J.p stop falling for his blatant trolling, enjoy his posts for what they are.

It's stupidity disguised as trolling.

Are you a Nazi in real life too? You sure don't look the part.

And yet here you are. Hell he does it to privately . Just ignore his blantant trolling and respond to his comments to which you can a discussion on

Telling me that I'm upset isn't going to make me upset, and I doubt it'll convince anyone else that I am either.

Right now I could be doing a contracts assignment or putting you in your place, and I've chosen to go with the latter.