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11.mvfc.11 wrote:JP wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:JP wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:J.p stop falling for his blatant trolling, enjoy his posts for what they are. It's stupidity disguised as trolling. I really like how obsessed and upset you are by my "stupidity." Telling me that I'm upset isn't going to make me upset, and I doubt it'll convince anyone else that I am either. Right now I could be doing a contracts assignment or putting you in your place, and I've chosen to go with the latter. Seems like you've chosen me as an assignment, choosing to track me down on Facebook because I said some mean words on an anonymous forum :lol: Keep going mate, I don't mind :) :-k The way you pissed your pants after you realised that you might have your name put to the bullshit you spout on here would indicate otherwise. Edited by JP: 21/5/2016 11:38:04 PM
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grazorblade wrote:I'd laugh if there was a leak about the federal raids :D Current LNP Gumnut has been one of the worse for leaks :lol: -PB
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rusty wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:ADSL2+ speeds, which most households can't even get :lol:
Try giving them 50mbps and see if they ever want to go back to shitting sub-10mbps crap quality copper based connections.
100Gb/sec, fmd, pull the other one mate :lol:
-PB I reckon if you give everyone a Ferrari they probably wont want to go back to their five seater sedan or hatch, but that doesn't mean government should go out and buy everyone a Ferrari. A shit comparison as a Ferrari is a luxury vehicle not an infrastructure project lol. As for the Government paying for the infrastructure, they did it when they owned Telecom/Telstra did they not? -PB
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JP wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:JP wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:JP wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:J.p stop falling for his blatant trolling, enjoy his posts for what they are. It's stupidity disguised as trolling. I really like how obsessed and upset you are by my "stupidity." Telling me that I'm upset isn't going to make me upset, and I doubt it'll convince anyone else that I am either. Right now I could be doing a contracts assignment or putting you in your place, and I've chosen to go with the latter. Seems like you've chosen me as an assignment, choosing to track me down on Facebook because I said some mean words on an anonymous forum :lol: Keep going mate, I don't mind :) :-k The way you pissed your pants after you realised that you might have your name put to the bullshit you spout on here would indicate otherwise. Edited by JP: 21/5/2016 11:38:04 PM Are you going to track down where he works and whinge to his boss? I used to have my actual name as my username and had Draupnir stalk my FB to prove how right wing I was :lol: Legit happens these days. Welcome to the age of whiney little c*nts :lol: Edited by bethfc: 22/5/2016 07:45:22 AM
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JP wrote:As far as the feasibility of your political career goes I guess you can take some solace from Hitler's rise.
He was also a loser in his twenties and look where he ended up. :roll: oh how the mighty have fallen.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:I just wish Australian's had the sense and gall to vote outside the major parties. Instead we're stuck with baby boomers voting Liberal, working class voting Labor and ignorant shitstains voting Greens.
Nothing will get better until we have a nationalist party in power. I agree with this.
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JP wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:JP wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:mcjules wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:Its like people think our Federal Police are comparable to the Gestapo. Anyone who thinks the Libs leaned on the AFP to perform the raid as an election stunt is deluded. Comparable to the Gestapo? That would be serious delusion (or at least hyperbole). However, there's a number of reasons to be suspicious about these raids: 1. The leaks aren't a national security issue, defence secrets or something that'd embarrass us diplomatically 2. NBN Co is a monopoly provider that's under no commercial threat 3. They only embarrass the government (and in particular "Mr Internet" Malcolm Turnbull) 4. Media was present at the raid Of course it could all be a coincidence but to call anyone that has doubts over the raids as deluded is deluded themselves. Definitely hyperbole on my part (as always), but not delusion. Accusing our highest level of police of being under the thumb of government is farcical. They are there to represent the interests of our nation, not political party currently in power. :lol: This is such an absurd departure from your typical tinfoil hat attitude towards political power. If the FBI raided Trump Tower over something as innocuous as this you'd be the first to claim that it was Obama interfering on behalf of Clinton. If you understood politics, you'd know this is a moot point. Trump isn't currently in government and privy to state secrets, unlike the Labor party. :lol: God I'm looking forward to your apparently imminent entry into politics. A couple of things: 1. These leaks are not "state secrets" (How thick are you? Although I'm sure this will be explained away as just some "exaggeration" on your part). 2. Trump will have access to highly sensitive national security information very soon. As the Republican nominee he will receive a regular defence briefing from the CIA. My hypothetical stands. But regardless, the specifics of it are irrelevant. You're ridiculously suspicious of government when it suits you and entirely supportive of it when it doesn't. Moderation and consistency seem to be entirely foreign concepts to you. Edit: What am I saying, of course they're foreign concepts. You're a fucking Nazi. Edited by JP: 21/5/2016 11:03:55 PM They are commercial leaks of a Government NGO. If a law was potentially violated such as is alleged here, the AFP have a duty to investigate it. State Secrets are moot and would fall not only under the AFP, but ASIO.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:J.p stop falling for his blatant trolling, enjoy his posts for what they are. Don't you like his posts mate? You don't agree with them which is clear. So you accuse him of trolling. Why is he the troll and you or JP are not? As an outsider, I am really interested in how you come up with these conclusions.
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BETHFC wrote:JP wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:JP wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:JP wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:J.p stop falling for his blatant trolling, enjoy his posts for what they are. It's stupidity disguised as trolling. I really like how obsessed and upset you are by my "stupidity." Telling me that I'm upset isn't going to make me upset, and I doubt it'll convince anyone else that I am either. Right now I could be doing a contracts assignment or putting you in your place, and I've chosen to go with the latter. Seems like you've chosen me as an assignment, choosing to track me down on Facebook because I said some mean words on an anonymous forum :lol: Keep going mate, I don't mind :) :-k The way you pissed your pants after you realised that you might have your name put to the bullshit you spout on here would indicate otherwise. Edited by JP: 21/5/2016 11:38:04 PM Are you going to track down where he works and whinge to his boss? I used to have my actual name as my username and had Draupnir stalk my FB to prove how right wing I was :lol: Legit happens these days. Welcome to the age of whiney little c*nts :lol: Edited by bethfc: 22/5/2016 07:45:22 AM These are the types of activities the Lefties are renowned for. My advice to you is to protect your ID. What they do is terrible and only designed to scare you and silence. This is because they are little school children who can't take alternative viewpoints to their own. :roll:
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BETHFC wrote:JP wrote:As far as the feasibility of your political career goes I guess you can take some solace from Hitler's rise.
He was also a loser in his twenties and look where he ended up. :roll: oh how the mighty have fallen. What was his multi btw? The forum has a right to know in order to protect themselves.
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I take this poll with more of a grain of salt than others because the Greens vote is way too high
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As for the AFP raids, of course the government leaned on them. Funny how Mitch Fifield only comes out well after the fact to say that he knew in advance The Libs did it as a point scoring exercise, but it has well & truly backfired. If Labor have a half a brain, they should get mileage out of this for a couple of days exposing the second rate NBN & its disastrous management. They should keep pointing to Malcolm Turnbull's investment in the companies that have built fibre to the home projects in Europe http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/business-spectator/conroy-attacks-turnbull-for-another-overseas-fibretothehome-investment/news-story/b69f32d35e1be8d139698909e42b8055The problem is privately, Turnbull would have wanted FTTP/FTTH. The same as wanting an ETS for climate change action. But the ignorants in Australian society (the majority) are learning that we vote for parties, not leaders, and so he is at the behest of his more fact-less (goes without saying) right wing element, when the foundations for these two key policies were laid under Abbott.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:As for the AFP raids, of course the government leaned on them. Funny how Mitch Fifield only comes out well after the fact to say that he knew in advance The Libs did it as a point scoring exercise, but it has well & truly backfired. If Labor have a half a brain, they should get mileage out of this for a couple of days exposing the second rate NBN & its disastrous management. They should keep pointing to Malcolm Turnbull's investment in the companies that have built fibre to the home projects in Europe http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/business-spectator/conroy-attacks-turnbull-for-another-overseas-fibretothehome-investment/news-story/b69f32d35e1be8d139698909e42b8055The problem is privately, Turnbull would have wanted FTTP/FTTH. The same as wanting an ETS for climate change action. But the ignorants in Australian society (the majority) are learning that we vote for parties, not leaders, and so he is at the behest of his more fact-less (goes without saying) right wing element, when the foundations for these two key policies were laid under Abbott. That's probably because they investigated him as well. The ideal that the LNP can use the AFP for political point scoring is pure fantasy. Edited by Aikhme: 22/5/2016 11:11:01 AM
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:I take this poll with more of a grain of salt than others because the Greens vote is way too high As we get closer to the election, expect LNP to pull away. People aren't going to risk Pink Bats, over spending, Border Security and ETS leading to record electricity prices. Edited by Aikhme: 22/5/2016 11:14:53 AM
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mcjules wrote:1. Oh yes but the current ones are perfectly accurate :roll: 2. :lol: I made the point that there are more uses for it than just streaming video. You're the one that brought up that it would be fine for multiple 4K and it clearly isn't. I guess we can end the discussion on this point. 3. Nope. Straight from one of the documents the AFP are investigating :lol: Quote:The national broadband network builder is expecting to be hit with a massive bill of $641 million to repair sections of the copper network it bought from Telstra, leaked documents show. The figure is as much as ten times what the NBN had expected repairing the copper network - which it acquired from Telstra for $11.2 billion - to cost. The federal government's strategic review of the NBN put the cost of remediating the copper at $2685 per node, but the leaked documents, sighted by iTnews, reveal NBN expects this will in reality sit at $26,115 per node.http://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-facing-copper-remediation-cost-blowout-412595 This point also applies to discussion point 1 that the publicly disclosed estimates are wrong. If we had a large scale deployment of FTTN already, sure g.fast is a decent stop gap (but only a stop gap), but the fact is we don't and we're spending billions on a stop gap and it's costing almost as much as the best of breed solution. 1. The MTM FTTN portion of the rollout be finished by 2019. If they continued with FTTP it would've been finished four years behind schedule. Its simple hypocrisy to suggest the MTM is falling apart due to its delays while maintaining Labors NBN was on track despite much worse delays. 2. You're making shit up. 100mbps is fine to stream multiple 4K videos. Even 50mbps would enable at least two in a household. That 4K streaming is held up as the paragon of NBN capability proves what a sad waste of taxpayers money it is. We could have had metro/light rail/BRT networks across the major capitals, instead we get to stream Netflix in 4K except the backhaul cant handle it and the speed tiers are out of most peoples budgets. 3. Again you're making shit up. The cost of FTTN per premise even with remediation works factored in is about half the cost of FTTP. HFC is the cheapest even with the overbuild of the Optus HFC counted. Whether FTTN at half the cost of FTTP provides better value for money it up for debate and is far more complex than the populist dichotomy of MTM being bad and Labors FTTP being sunshine and roses.
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aufc_ole wrote:I'm not mad about politics but I can't see how anyone can defend the way the government has handled the NBN :lol: The same way people defend the previous governments handling of the NBN
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:$50 billion dollar tax cut to businesses = has to be great! No evidence required $50 billion dollar investment in infrastructure = boo where's the business case? reckless government spending etc Most countries in Asia and the OECD are cutting company tax, and at the same time investing in a broad range of infrastructure not pork barreling it into one area to secure the legacy one of its ministers. Most countries in Asia and thve OECD have significantly better broadband :lol: If only Howard didn't sell off both the retail and wholesale networks (and to the same company no less). We've been suffering for years as a consequence. so much this. The phillipines has superfast internet and has had for roughly a decade or more. All due to the fwct the government knew when to actually build infrastructure for the future and not the past. Lol. Phillippines has the slowest internet in south east Asia and one of the slowest in Asia :lol: :lol: yeah nah How The Philippines Got Asia's Worst Internet Service http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphjennings/2016/02/23/meet-asias-internet-laggard-the-philippines/#e67c28d717a4 :lol: yeah nah http://www.philstar.com/opinion/2016/03/31/1567862/reasons-why-our-internet-speeds-are-so-slowLIST: Philippines ranks 21st of 22 Asian countries in Internet download ... PH Internet 2nd slowest in Asia, one of the most expensive | Inquirer ... Average Philippine Internet speed 155th in world - Rappler In its household download index, Internet metrics provider Ookla found that the Philippines averaged a speed of just 3.64 megabits per second (Mbps), which ranked 176th out of 202 countries worldwide. Globally, the average broadband download speed is 23.3 Mbps, nearly eight times faster than the Philippines.May 19, 2015 LIST: Philippines ranks 21st of 22 Asian countries in Internet download ... www.gmanetwork.com/.../list-philippines-ranks-21st-of-22-asian-countries-in-internet-d...Yeah nah :lol:
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paulbagzFC wrote:rusty wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:ADSL2+ speeds, which most households can't even get :lol:
Try giving them 50mbps and see if they ever want to go back to shitting sub-10mbps crap quality copper based connections.
100Gb/sec, fmd, pull the other one mate :lol:
-PB I reckon if you give everyone a Ferrari they probably wont want to go back to their five seater sedan or hatch, but that doesn't mean government should go out and buy everyone a Ferrari. A shit comparison as a Ferrari is a luxury vehicle not an infrastructure project lol. As for the Government paying for the infrastructure, they did it when they owned Telecom/Telstra did they not? -PB At 100gbps its more of a luxury than a Ferrari. Much faster too!:lol:
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So out of interest, what do forumites think of why the Libs chose a second rate NBN? I see it between 3 alternatives: 1) Purely as a marketing point of difference to Labor in 2010 2) To keep the internet slower for homes, so Murdoch's Foxtel cable tv would be more competitive against streaming services 3) To keep Telstra more relevant, to make up for its terrible valuation since its staged sale from 1997 & help the Libs 'save face' over its sale (its worth noting that the stage two sale in 1999 resulted in massive losses for buyers at $7.40/share, now under $4.00 in 1999 terms)
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rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:$50 billion dollar tax cut to businesses = has to be great! No evidence required $50 billion dollar investment in infrastructure = boo where's the business case? reckless government spending etc Most countries in Asia and the OECD are cutting company tax, and at the same time investing in a broad range of infrastructure not pork barreling it into one area to secure the legacy one of its ministers. Most countries in Asia and thve OECD have significantly better broadband :lol: If only Howard didn't sell off both the retail and wholesale networks (and to the same company no less). We've been suffering for years as a consequence. so much this. The phillipines has superfast internet and has had for roughly a decade or more. All due to the fwct the government knew when to actually build infrastructure for the future and not the past. Lol. Phillippines has the slowest internet in south east Asia and one of the slowest in Asia :lol: :lol: yeah nah How The Philippines Got Asia's Worst Internet Service http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphjennings/2016/02/23/meet-asias-internet-laggard-the-philippines/#e67c28d717a4 :lol: yeah nah http://www.philstar.com/opinion/2016/03/31/1567862/reasons-why-our-internet-speeds-are-so-slowLIST: Philippines ranks 21st of 22 Asian countries in Internet download ... PH Internet 2nd slowest in Asia, one of the most expensive | Inquirer ... Average Philippine Internet speed 155th in world - Rappler In its household download index, Internet metrics provider Ookla found that the Philippines averaged a speed of just 3.64 megabits per second (Mbps), which ranked 176th out of 202 countries worldwide. Globally, the average broadband download speed is 23.3 Mbps, nearly eight times faster than the Philippines.May 19, 2015 LIST: Philippines ranks 21st of 22 Asian countries in Internet download ... www.gmanetwork.com/.../list-philippines-ranks-21st-of-22-asian-countries-in-internet-d...Yeah nah :lol: Yeah nah .
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:$50 billion dollar tax cut to businesses = has to be great! No evidence required $50 billion dollar investment in infrastructure = boo where's the business case? reckless government spending etc Most countries in Asia and the OECD are cutting company tax, and at the same time investing in a broad range of infrastructure not pork barreling it into one area to secure the legacy one of its ministers. Most countries in Asia and thve OECD have significantly better broadband :lol: If only Howard didn't sell off both the retail and wholesale networks (and to the same company no less). We've been suffering for years as a consequence. so much this. The phillipines has superfast internet and has had for roughly a decade or more. All due to the fwct the government knew when to actually build infrastructure for the future and not the past. Lol. Phillippines has the slowest internet in south east Asia and one of the slowest in Asia :lol: :lol: yeah nah How The Philippines Got Asia's Worst Internet Service http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphjennings/2016/02/23/meet-asias-internet-laggard-the-philippines/#e67c28d717a4 :lol: yeah nah http://www.philstar.com/opinion/2016/03/31/1567862/reasons-why-our-internet-speeds-are-so-slowLIST: Philippines ranks 21st of 22 Asian countries in Internet download ... PH Internet 2nd slowest in Asia, one of the most expensive | Inquirer ... Average Philippine Internet speed 155th in world - Rappler In its household download index, Internet metrics provider Ookla found that the Philippines averaged a speed of just 3.64 megabits per second (Mbps), which ranked 176th out of 202 countries worldwide. Globally, the average broadband download speed is 23.3 Mbps, nearly eight times faster than the Philippines.May 19, 2015 LIST: Philippines ranks 21st of 22 Asian countries in Internet download ... www.gmanetwork.com/.../list-philippines-ranks-21st-of-22-asian-countries-in-internet-d...Yeah nah :lol: Yeah nah . Congratulations! You actually made a 2 word sentence! :lol:
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rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:1. Oh yes but the current ones are perfectly accurate :roll: 2. :lol: I made the point that there are more uses for it than just streaming video. You're the one that brought up that it would be fine for multiple 4K and it clearly isn't. I guess we can end the discussion on this point. 3. Nope. Straight from one of the documents the AFP are investigating :lol: Quote:The national broadband network builder is expecting to be hit with a massive bill of $641 million to repair sections of the copper network it bought from Telstra, leaked documents show. The figure is as much as ten times what the NBN had expected repairing the copper network - which it acquired from Telstra for $11.2 billion - to cost. The federal government's strategic review of the NBN put the cost of remediating the copper at $2685 per node, but the leaked documents, sighted by iTnews, reveal NBN expects this will in reality sit at $26,115 per node.http://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-facing-copper-remediation-cost-blowout-412595 This point also applies to discussion point 1 that the publicly disclosed estimates are wrong. If we had a large scale deployment of FTTN already, sure g.fast is a decent stop gap (but only a stop gap), but the fact is we don't and we're spending billions on a stop gap and it's costing almost as much as the best of breed solution. 1. The MTM FTTN portion of the rollout be finished by 2019. If they continued with FTTP it would've been finished four years behind schedule. Its simple hypocrisy to suggest the MTM is falling apart due to its delays while maintaining Labors NBN was on track despite much worse delays. 2. You're making shit up. 100mbps is fine to stream multiple 4K videos. Even 50mbps would enable at least two in a household. That 4K streaming is held up as the paragon of NBN capability proves what a sad waste of taxpayers money it is. We could have had metro/light rail/BRT networks across the major capitals, instead we get to stream Netflix in 4K except the backhaul cant handle it and the speed tiers are out of most peoples budgets. 3. Again you're making shit up. The cost of FTTN per premise even with remediation works factored in is about half the cost of FTTP. HFC is the cheapest even with the overbuild of the Optus HFC counted. Whether FTTN at half the cost of FTTP provides better value for money it up for debate and is far more complex than the populist dichotomy of MTM being bad and Labors FTTP being sunshine and roses. They can actually still install FTTP down the track but spending the extra money? It's just that they chose to save the money and roll out the the FTTN Network 4 years ahead of time.
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Aikhme wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:rusty wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:$50 billion dollar tax cut to businesses = has to be great! No evidence required $50 billion dollar investment in infrastructure = boo where's the business case? reckless government spending etc Most countries in Asia and the OECD are cutting company tax, and at the same time investing in a broad range of infrastructure not pork barreling it into one area to secure the legacy one of its ministers. Most countries in Asia and thve OECD have significantly better broadband :lol: If only Howard didn't sell off both the retail and wholesale networks (and to the same company no less). We've been suffering for years as a consequence. so much this. The phillipines has superfast internet and has had for roughly a decade or more. All due to the fwct the government knew when to actually build infrastructure for the future and not the past. Lol. Phillippines has the slowest internet in south east Asia and one of the slowest in Asia :lol: :lol: yeah nah How The Philippines Got Asia's Worst Internet Service http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphjennings/2016/02/23/meet-asias-internet-laggard-the-philippines/#e67c28d717a4 :lol: yeah nah http://www.philstar.com/opinion/2016/03/31/1567862/reasons-why-our-internet-speeds-are-so-slowLIST: Philippines ranks 21st of 22 Asian countries in Internet download ... PH Internet 2nd slowest in Asia, one of the most expensive | Inquirer ... Average Philippine Internet speed 155th in world - Rappler In its household download index, Internet metrics provider Ookla found that the Philippines averaged a speed of just 3.64 megabits per second (Mbps), which ranked 176th out of 202 countries worldwide. Globally, the average broadband download speed is 23.3 Mbps, nearly eight times faster than the Philippines.May 19, 2015 LIST: Philippines ranks 21st of 22 Asian countries in Internet download ... www.gmanetwork.com/.../list-philippines-ranks-21st-of-22-asian-countries-in-internet-d...Yeah nah :lol: Yeah nah . Congratulations! You actually made a 2 word sentence! :lol: Oh look its the "knowledgeable " person who claims he knows all, but in reality is a 17 yr ol. Oh yeah i know who you are mate.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote: Oh look its the "knowledgeable " person who claims he knows all, but in reality is a 17 yr ol. Oh yeah i know who you are mate.
Oh Look its the 11 year old with the nous of a porcupine!
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:lol: is that all you got. I know you live in sydney al... nah better not
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote::lol: is that all you got. I know you live in sydney al... nah better not Carlo, that's because you have the IQ of a dingbat. Edited by Aikhme: 22/5/2016 07:03:39 PM
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:lol: you think thats a burn. Comeon i cop much worse from my indian co workers and their horrid in shit talking:lol:
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Aikhme wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote::lol: is that all you got. I know you live in sydney al... nah better not Carlo, that's because you have the IQ of a dingbat. Edited by Aikhme: 22/5/2016 07:03:39 PM Wow you know my name since 11. Posted it , big whoop
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Aikhme wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote::lol: is that all you got. I know you live in sydney al... nah better not Carlo, that's because you have the IQ of a dingbat. Edited by Aikhme: 22/5/2016 07:03:39 PM Wow you know my name since 11. Posted it , big whoop No, I found you facebook page and saw your ugly mutt face! Your not the sharpest tool in the shed! Edited by Aikhme: 22/5/2016 07:06:19 PM
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Carlito
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:lol: what face book homie?
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