Surely this needs to be looked at. Way to concidental

Clive has a chip on his shoulder because the LNP did him over! Thankfully!

He is dreaming Turnbull will be putting this guy on a committee! I mean seriously! :lol:

This is the Left fantasy - Help everyone at all costs.
Europe is being savagely overrn but we have the possibility to isolate ourselves.

Don't I know it bro! Europe is being ravaged alright. It's not good.

As someone who lives in Europe, the scare tactics you people bring out is laughable at best. Higher living standards and all. You're too quick to eat up Murdoch's propaganda shit sandwiches and it's honestly laughable.

They are not scare tactics.

I dare you to go to Athens to see for yourself the catastrophe. Not just Athens, but Italy, Germany, France and Belgium too.

Btw, I believe in the possibility of climate change and I think you will find that most Right Wingers, LNP voters and Murdoch MSM readers also do.

Game on!
The key NewsPoll has Labor leading 51-49
Shorten continuing to close preferred PM gap
Can Turnbull lose the unloseable election? :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://resources.news.com.au/files/2016/05/22/1227877/679329-160523poll.pdf

So in summary, the latest polls are (Labor first listed as they are leading most polls):
Morgan 52.5-47.5
Essential 51-49
NewsPoll 51-49
ReachTel 50-50
Galaxy 50-50
Ipsos 49-51

What went on mvfc vs aikhme last night was unacceptable.

Unless someone openly uses their real life details on this forum, it is not on to openly use peoples names on here or mention things you've noticed while creeping/stalking them elsewhere. Play the ball (the ball being things on this forum) and not the man.

Also, please calm down on the accusations you throw at people - in this case i'm referencing labelling people a multi. It doesn't help situations and as seen from last night, just escalates things.

And yet we have elf.II appearing and posting straight in things like ET lol.

I still don't know why people haven't got FB profiles heavily locked down in this modern age of wankers on the internet being dickbags to one another.

-PB

The comments section is a really good laugh.
"Why, oh, why did we let go of Tony...? He was just misunderstood"
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/federal-election-2016/election-2016-newspoll-shows-coalition-failing-to-peg-back-alp-lead/news-story/12b18750edf6bc2bf5162151aceaca27
:lol: :lol: :lol:

The trend in leaders' satisfaction is the most interesting IMO.
Leaders graph

Australia is ranked # 2 in terms of living standards, so you must be living in Norway?:lol: Which makes sense since they've slammed the door shut on refugees.:lol:

Yep stunning isn't it?
Shorten is about to overtake Turnbull on net satisfaction rating
At least some of the populace are waking up to the fact it's about substance (policies) not charisma

4) because its a fucking waste of of money no other government in the world is cocky and stupid enough to try

I don't even recognise that username :lol:

Feel free to PM me with any links and examples if this JP or others are in need of some moderating and I'll have a look at it.

But the 'better economic managers' didn't choose none at all....:idea:

gotta admit i don't care about NBN
I'm tempted to defend Labour over this due to Labours superior policy for the poor middle and even upper middle class but I'm wary of confirmation bias

In victoria the libs were introducing an east west busway. I had a lot of friends who were labour supporters because they cared about the poor but ended up attacking the east west link in what I saw as a pretty biased way.
In truth if politics was just about the best public transport system, the best place to build a bridge or the best way to build an NBN I probably would never care about politics

Lord KA is here, time to pull out the banhammer.

With technology becoming smaller and wireless and mobile services becoming the norm I think fixed line technologies are five minutes to midnight. There's already a trend happening in countries such in Japan where people are ditching their fibre connections in favour of 4G/5G alternatives. As the evolution of satellite and wireless technologies continues it will crowd out the fixed line market as people won't want to pay for multiple services when their smart phone can do fulfill most of their needs.

It should have been FTTN all the way from the beginning, as was Rudd's original plan. We could have had a modest internet upgrade for roughly $4 billion taxpayers keeping us competitive for at least the next couple of decades, invested in other important infrastructure such mas metro rail which we are severely lagging in and left open the possibility for further NBN investments such as G fast , 5G or FTTP depending on global technology trends and economic and budget considerations.

Instead Conroy and Labor got carried away and decided to play Nostradamus and pork barrel our building fund into securing Conroy's personal legacy. If they stuck with FTTN the network would be complete by now, we'd be top 20 or higher for international broadband rankings and we'd have saved tens of billions of dollars that could be used to invest in roads and rail.

Edited by rusty: 23/5/2016 10:38:14 AM

Sorry missed this one earlier, definitely all of the above. 1. was the initial idea but those other 2 were nice bonuses for them.

Don't you mean east west link toll road?

I thought point 2 was conspiracy nutty at the time it was suggested, until you sit down and contemplate it. It makes sense. I'm on Optus HFC, high speed (up to 100Mbps) and regularly have connection problems with streaming. Almost always an issue during and after rain.

ha I believe so ](*,) ](*,)

Meanwhile since I said busway. Melbourne could really use a brisbane style busway

has anyone used that busway? It rocks. Best part of Bris public transport

Then I am glad it was scrapped too. No leftie bias involved.
It's funds have been diverted towards the $11B inner city metro link. A gazillion more people will benefit from it.
The Libs signed the contracts for the east-west link just a few weeks out from an election they were forecast, confidently, to lose. Labor said they would scrap it, yet the Libs went ahead anyway and signed anyway. They could have waited just a little longer until after the election. The Libs, not Labor, cost us $300M+. Bottom of the barrel shit.

It's not surprise at all that Shorten is catching up to Turnbull in approval and popularity ratings. He was only really popular among lefty green and labor supporters because of his pro gay marriage, pro environment stance, even though they would never vote for the liberal party. All Shorten had to do was take a side step to the left and make marriage equality and green taxes the focal point of his campaign in order to claw back that support. This is what happens when parties react to polls rather than fighting for their principles. If Liberals lose the election I hope they go down badly and those bedwetters who ousted Abbott lose their seats.

There is a common thread through these infrastructure projects, whether done by ALP or Libs, and whether the infrastructure is the NBN, EastWest, Public Transport etc...

And that is - there is very little transparency about the cost-benefit analysis work done, and very rarely do the economic cases for projects get released.

There is also very little, to no, release of reporting as to why Option A was selected, as opposed to Project B or C.

So the public is left to speculate about the economic merits of one project over another, with very little evidence.

This is not to say that the govt should only invest in infrastructure which is profitable - if it was profitable the private sector would have invested.

But there is just so little valid cost-benefit analysis done.

It will never happen, but there needs to be a stringent process of infrastructure approval - this body would decide the priority of projects, the govt stumps up the funds only.

Except that Turnbull is still far more popular than Abbott was when he was ousted....

Among lefties