Now your being facetious rusty.

Industries are already over-regulated. Development requirements for environmental risks for example Acid Sulfate Soils in lowland areas are huge environmental outlays.

Our mining industry is already heavily regulated. Our regulations are amongst the toughest. This will slow down developments increasing costs and will affect jobs.

This policy is the sort of over-played nonsense that makes the Greens unelectable.



Where are people going to bloody live? They talk about coal mines. What about clearing hectares of vegetation for houses?

More red tape.

A lot of the Greens stuff isn't too bad but it's this sort of eco-warrior stuff that draws away from the stuff that is good.

But what if that person was severely depressed due to not being able to hold down a job, and turned to drugs to cope with their economic struggle? Given the levels of inequity in society, perhaps society would also need to claim some responsibility in causing this person to go off the rails and subject themselves to the involuntary influences of hard drugs. Perhaps this person is also a victim, and sending them to prison would not only fail to rehabilitate them but also make them more likely to re-offend when released, due to the job destroying prospects of having a criminal conviction and deepen their slide into despair and depression. Their best chances of recovery might be to send them to a rehabilitation clinic, provide them with interim economic support while canvassing for stable employment opportunities.

Actually I got it off the Greens UK website.

Ya think:d

So you dont know any greens policies here in oz but your source material is from the greens in the u.k .ok then

In regards to the first issue regarding the mining industry, I think it is a double edge sword. At the moment, the mining industry does have free reign (yes they have regulations but if the price is right they will get the nod, for example look no further than Barrow Island in WA, or uranium mines in Kakadu ... the government says "yes" and the government environmental agencies agree with conditions, even if they would rather say no, remember who is the "boss" of these agencies). Most of the regulations they have to meet are because of the environmental problems that they've caused previously (environmental management has to be adaptive).

In regards to where we will live, well from a sustainability point of view and the pov that many governments around the world are taking now the answer is "up". That is we should be encouraging urban consolidation instead of urban sprawl. This doesn't require the clearing of more land, or the conversion of arable land to houses, but instead consolidated already existing urban land. The benefits for the economy, services, government costs, environment, infrastructure etc. are all with consolidation over sprawl ... the government has just not been able to sell this to the public (and real estate developers prefer sprawl for their own pockets too).

The greens policy here in the same as their UK counterparts.

Agree with the Libs today when they're saying it doesn't add up about how Labour is promising a budget surplus come 2021 but are planning larger deficits in the lead up (without having major cuts or raising taxes)?

I'm sure time will tell before July 2nd when Labour is supposedly going to release all the financial calculations (probably on July 1 rofl).

Also lol @ Christensen being investigated by the AFP due to a GetUp campaign. As if he has anything to answer for over that statement ffs (however if he has been doing shifty stuff then throw the book at him).

-PB

Their actual policies are here http://greens.org.au/policies/justice

The Greens focus is more so on justice than punishment.

There only aim within their policies towards "punishment" is: "The implementation of alternatives to imprisonment where appropriate, including restorative justice, diversionary programs and justice reinvestment strategies."

However the first policy of the Greens in regards to justice is "All Australians have a right to a safe, peaceful and ecologically sustainable existence, free from crime and fear of violence", which suggests that if anything they are ideology supportive of punishment and prisons. Which is further supported by their second policy "The rule of law, the protection of human rights and timely access to justice for all people are fundamental to a democratic society".

Edited by sokorny: 9/6/2016 11:28:49 AM

Andrew Hastie given the arse from the army, I thought he was a proud disciplined soldier? Or is that only when it suits him?

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2016/election-2016-andrew-hastie-sacked-from-army-reserve-over-campaign-photos-20160608-gpeva1.html

You're contradicting yourself all over the place. On one hand the greens are supportive of alternative to imprisonment but are ideologically supportive of punishment and prisons? Greens DO NOT consider punishment and prisons to be an effective crime fighting tactic. Prisons and punishment, they argue, are more likely to lead to increased rates of recidivism, and deny offenders their rights, etc. It's not even clear whether they support putting murderers, serial killers and rapists in prison.

They aren't effective crime fighting tactics. Prisons are the punishment to a crime, but they do not address why the crime was committed. So therefore without addressing the underlying issue you will continue to have crime. Is the reason you don't commit crimes because the fear of imprisonment? Or lets look at an extreme case, the USA. Do you think alleviating the socioeconomic divide or fear of imprisonment will reduce crime more so in the USA??

Sorry I can't help you with the rest, as you obviously are blind to anything that doesn't agree with your preconceived notions.

But you wrote that "all Australians have a right to a safe, peaceful and ecologically sustainable existence, free from crime and fear of violence", which suggests that if anything they are ideology supportive of punishment and prisons."

Seems what you are saying here is that prisons and punishment can protect people from dangerous criminals. Isn't that a crime fighting tactic? If criminals are convicted and locked up they are then much less able to commit crime. It doesn't address the underlying causes of crime but does provide a significant deterrent, knowing there are consequences for actions. Under the greens model there are no consequences, just excuses and cheesy rehabilitative tactics that means the offender gets of scot free, while the victim continues to suffer and is left betrayed by a spineless government which devotes more resources to offenders than victims. Bridging socio-economic divide alone wont curtail crime, we need a multi-facted approach, imprisonment and punishment is critical to that approach and keeping people safe.

Crime and punishment policies are almost completely irrelevant when it comes to the federal government.

The Greens believe anyone can be rehabilitated...:lol:

Kiddy fiddlers should be executed and rapists should be neutered - and I'm the most left-leaning wanker in my circle of friends

How?
Both sides have no clue.

But you don't have any problems with rogue imams preaching hate...so that tells me a lot

Edited by Socawho: 9/6/2016 12:39:52 PM

Scratch the surface of most lefties, deep down they desire blood more than anyone :lol:

Really? Even more than the likes of Kkk or Neo nazis ?
The extreme left are as bad as the extreme right.

Don't kid yourself

Edited by Socawho: 9/6/2016 12:44:44 PM

The government has a responsibility to business to assess strategies to increase output. Increased output = more jobs which = more money for the government which = money for education/health and so on. Makes sense to assess proposals on merit rather than a blanket ban because of their location.

I did work as a contractor to Hatch Engineering Services in the Kakadu national park. Their environmental regulations are crazy.

The contractor who did the Horizontal Directional Drilling project to Barrow Island was involved with me on a HDD job under the Brisbane River. The way people talk about the Gorgon project is that it took the entire Barrow Island. The reality is that they took only 300 Ha. The Janz-lo and Gorgon gas fields have 60 years worth of jobs, employment and growth in them :lol:

The only way to improve the environmental management of projects is to learn from mistakes. It's literally the same for anything. It concerns me how people seem to view this sort of stuff far differently to learning from building houses or cars or whatever.



The draw back from that is increased congestion, massive demand on existing infrastructure, issues with waste management (the Gold Coast City Council is spending 130million on a new recycled water pipeline because of this very issue) just to name a few.

Then you have groundwater issues with every building having a basement which causes hydrogeological issues long term. These issues include perching water tables and contamination associated with exposing acidic water to oxygen.

While 'going up' creates the industry I work in plenty of employment opportunities, it's a dangerous game to play.

With an urban sprawl, management of the factors mentioned above is not as difficult.

Now this is a bit unrealistic lol



Sorry but its a fact of the modern age, a sculptor, dancer or painter just isn't gonna make big cash compared to a lawyer or accountant.

-PB

Conservatives don't have the moral fibre when it comes to the desire for blood as long as it happens on someone else's oceans or shores o:)

-PB

If I paint my house does that mean I get benefits :lol:

I might start painting houses for a living...since it means I'm double dipping from the customer and the taxpayer:lol:

You beauty!:lol:

Edited by Socawho: 9/6/2016 02:47:46 PM

They're not talking about making big cash, just a living wage.

How do you know?
Do you have access to the document ...or maybe you work for the Greens, which wouldn't surprise me

Better them than us :lol:

*yawn* I like to be informed about party policies rather than just having a crack.
http://greens.org.au/supporting-artists

Anyway your trolling is lame give it up.

It's validated due to your worldly views on most things...especially on places you've never been to:lol:

The word valuable though. Lawyers (well the ones I deal with professionally) make a hell of a lot more than a liveable wage.