Pretty much this. It's more about wanting to be seen by others as a compassionate, kind, moral human being than actually being a compassionate, kind and moral human being.

And to criticise the rest of us for being the opposite when in actual fact we have:
1) stopped the illegal trade,
2) stopped the boats,
3) closed 14 detention centres already, and
4) saved the lives of potentially hundreds of people.

:lol:

Nonsense. No one cares about your religious beliefs. The very fact that your religious beliefs impact on the lives of others is concrete evidence that your views are malicious and draconian.

I am not gay. I take exception to people with religious beliefs feeling that their beliefs are being trampled because they've stuck their nose out and got involved in an issue that does not and will never affect their way of life.

I cannot respect people who let their religious beliefs get in the way of reality.

That's very bigoted in itself.

Their reality is not the same as your reality. The also deserve the same respect as every other person in the community, including the LGBTI community.

It gets tedious when things get rammed down our throats. Whether that be religions, something else or the LGBTI community.

I ask anyone to tell us, who is raamming things down our throat now, religions or LGBTI? :lol:

Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 12:08:06 PM

The left hate us for this. They see themselves having an humanitarian monopoly on refugees and think it is possible for only them to dispense compassion. They will never ever acknowledge the achievements of the Turnbull and Abbott government and so will focus incessantly on red herring issues like transparency and anything that will distract the public from the major policy success.

Oh yeh, transparency.

Yeh like it really a good idea to portray sensitive operational information over the media when the illegal traders will be watching in order to gain sensitive intel. :lol:

One thing I've never understood, the whole we've stopped the boats and there are no more drownings at sea being heralded as some kind of great triumph when in reality these people are just dying elsewhere. :?

No it's not, it's a statement of fact. Scott Morrison is allowing his personal religious beliefs to affect the lives of others. Reality is the same for everyone. However, little delicate Scotty is afraid of gays who just want the same legal recognition as everyone else.

What gets rammed down our throats is that gays are evil and must be shunned from society. The reason the LGTBI voice is so offensive to religious people is because they're having to confront the fact that their draconian belief system cannot continually be used to discriminate like the 'good old days'.

I'm sorry that you have to insulate your beliefs by claiming reverse discrimination and indoctrination. Demanding equality is not ramming anything down your throat. It's pointing out homophobia where it exists. Try to pass the blame to the other side only makes opponents of gay marriage look pathetic.

Exhibit A! :lol:

Making HUGE assumptions that these people are dieing elsewhere when most of them are economic refugees.

Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 12:26:58 PM

A few points here.

Scott Morrisson is entitled to his religious convictions and to his opinions regarding the matter of Equal Marriage Rights. He is not the only person to hold these views.

I haven't heard him ram anything down anyone's throats, apart from express an opinion or his own view which he is entitled to.

Secondly, people who have religious convictions or who are against Same Sex Marriage, have as much right to express these opinions, and to have their democratic freedoms respected as much as anyone else.

It seems to me, it is the SJW brigade who are more concerned with the opinions and convictions of others rather than their cause.

Whether you like it or not, there is reverse discrimination being taking place, and it is only getting worse, putting people into a state of constant fear for expressing their view. Poor delicate people out there just can't tolerate other views other than their own.

This is right up there with the great Medicare scandle.

If you don't like the truth just make up some bs to counter it :lol:

It's like saying "what's the point in dealing with carbon emissions when our breathing is going to kill the environment anyway!" =p~ =p~ =p~ :o :-s

He's thankfully part of a shrinking ignorant minority.



He's in a position of power. Him publicly voicing his opinion influences others which has negative affects on a group facing mass discrimination.



They also have the right to have their beliefs attacked for what they are without trying to claim abuse and discrimination.



The opinions of others are only important because these 'others' have a say on the lives and well-being of others. Don't worry though, put your head back in the sand and pretend gays don't exist.



No there is not. People claim reverse discrimination as a way of silencing attacks on their intolerant religious beliefs.

Discrimination is denying rights to people based on their relationship preference.

Someone criticising your publicly offered religious beliefs is not discrimination.

We got to give them credit for humour though. :lol:

That is very objective. It's not shrinking at all among some cultural groups.





And should express the points of view of a sizeable chunk of the Australian People who share his views just like Bernardi does very effectively.





Do you have the right to attack the beliefs of the LGBTI community?

A bit of respect never goes astray and it lightens the argument and even empowers their argument.





That is not the case.

Many believe that the institution of Marriage is under attack as well as the Nuclear Family Unit.

They believe its about turning everyone into helpless individuals with no sense of community.





It's not the case. Religions are more than capable of defending themselves. They have millions of followers and a lot of money, and have access to the best lawyers in the country.

However, they do feel under attack, and they are very hessitant to speak out.



Our beliefs are not publicly offered. I am speaking about the Orthodox Faith. We do not offer our beliefs or ram it down anyone's throat.

However, the organisation itself has a right to express its stance on social issues such as Marriage Equality and Abortion as well as other issues. You don't haver to listen to it, but others who follow their religion might just want to and that is up to them.

No the point I'm making is that just because people are no longer dying in our waters that we should call this some great success when refugees are suffering and dying across the world. The whole out of sight out of mind policy of stop the boats in the grand scheme won't solve anything and we (along with many other countries) should be doing more to tackle the refugee crisis not focus on a tiny band-aid solution and put up our hands saying its no longer our problem now.

Yes and we would like to know the statistics you used to arrive to that conclusion.

Besides, they make the journey from Indonesia, and they wouldn't be dieing there.

But you are very funny! :lol:

Some cultural groups are more religious than others. As a whole, the belief base is shrinking which is only a good thing.



Bernadi is a homophobe and takes no responsibility for the negative affects his comments have on the lives of others. His comments are regularly inaccurate and misinformed.



No one has a right to have their beliefs 'respected'. You have rights to have beliefs, but people have the right to tell you when your beliefs are dangerous, misinformed or disgusting.





Respect must be earned. Claiming discrimination because people think your religious beliefs are damaging is a weak position and is not worthy of respect.



The institution of marriage existed before religion. The very fact that religion claims ownership of religion is embarrassing and arrogant.

In saying that, a family unit? How many broken heterosexual homes are out there? Why aren't religious people attacking these people as well?

As always, selective targeting. It used to be black people and now it's gays.



Just like single parents right? Oh wait, I'm sorry, you're just homophobes.



No they're not. Religion is indefensible. Money and followers is not validation of any faith.



They're afraid to speak out lest their beliefs come into question. No surprise really. Religion is not founded in logic but faith. You can't debate faith without first taking a leap of faith which renders debate pointless.



Don't worry, other denominations are doing the groundwork for you preaching discrimination. You don't have to be vocal when the pillar of your faith condemns homosexuality.

Your organisation doesn't just express it's views. It campaigns to implement it's views on society and to maintain control.

You make good points.

Yep,

by being based on Judeo-Christian principle and ethics



Yep,

although our own falling away is the main decaying factor. We're living in the afterglow

Is this place turning into The_Donald or are you all actually retarded 10 year olds?

It's not in my culture.





He isn't. All too easy to label people with these views as Homophobe. Pretty poor too.

He is a Conservative, religious, and has his point of view and he represents it well as well as a sizable chunk of the electorate.





Yes they do, otherwise you are disrespecting their culture.

Seems to be ok for Christians, but can't do it to Muslims because the SJW brigade will jump up and down.







That is a 2 way street but doesnt apply to culture and religions just like you can't villify the LGBTI community and preach intolerance towards them.

Being non supportive of Gay Marriage does not equate to intolerance when we are dealing with centuries old traditions and institutions.





Yes very true.

Marriage existed beforehand as it was in the old testament that is over 3,500 years old.

In the Orthodox Church, there are not many broken heteresesual homes out there. There are a few but not as many as Australian society which has less community feeling.





No its not the same thing. We are not homophobes. We are quite happy to coexist with Gay people. It's not an issue.





You're wrong!

And there is a double standard too.

I never said money is any validation. It clearly isn't. I said that as an example of them being more than capable of looking after themselves.





No! They don't mind having their beliefs question. Their aim is not to convert anyone.

They don't care if you question their beliefs, but Christians don't want to be insulted and called names like homophobes which is completely untrue.





We can't speak about other faiths. Nor can we control them.

If they preach hate, we dissassociate with them.

Preaching hate towards any group is not what mainstream religion is about. The Orthodox Church for instance will not tolerate it.

Gay People are more than welcome into Orthodox Church if they want to. There are many Orthodox People who are gay, and very open about it too.

The Church however, is allowed to express its stance on the issue of Marriage Equality and Abortion.

I don't think you would even be 10!

Friendly reminder that you will get banned from /r/The_Donald if you are not a Trump supporter or post an anti-Trump opinion, thus creating the ultimate echo chamber, safe space, hug box, whatever you want to call it.

Orthodox is thankfully a minority here or we'd likely have even more resistance to homosexual marriage.



He is a Conservative, religious, and has his point of view and he represents it well as well as a sizable chunk of the electorate. [/quote]

He's a homophobe because he will use any excuse (and there are many examples) to make the LGBTI people look bad.

His views are filled with inaccuracy.



Religion is not a culture, it's a belief system.



No but your mate Bernardi does, constantly. Negative connotations associated with being gay is ingrained in our society.



Institutions that are stuck in the dark ages. Being old doesn't give you the right to be intolerant.



Indeed, the Orthodox religion seems to be more conservative to the best of my understanding. However, what about the point I make? Divorce disrupts the nuclear family and nothing is said about that from prominent religious people.....




Then why can't they get married? How will it affect your religion and community? They're already doing gay shit in bed at night. What does official recognition do? Nothing.



They're called homophobes because they resist gay marriage because of what the bible tells them. If they don't like being called homophobes, some inflection regarding how their religious beliefs affect others might help them become better people.

First of all the coalition policies are a great success because hundreds if not thousands of live have and will be saved.
Secondly it's a great success because they have restored order, control and sanity to our border.
Thirdly it's a great success because we have been able to resettle refugees based on need rather than who can afford to pay a people smuggler, who may not even be a genuine refugee. Therefore we are ensuring those whom we are resettling are actual refugees rather than economic opportunists.
Fourthly they have dismantled the highly criminal, reprehensible people smuggling business
Fifth they have shut down most immigration detention centers and released all the children from detention and saved billions of dollars doing this
Six we already a do a shitload for refugees, we donate millions to the UNHCR and resettle per capita the second highest number of refugees and third most of all countries, compared with countries like Korea, Japan and China who resettle none

To say we treat this "out of sight out of mind" is utterly ridiculous. Australia has done a lot for refugees and although it's not always acknowledged in the media the facts are there for all to see. Happy to do more within reason but other nations really need to pick up their act rather than shifting all the responsibility onto western countries.

I doubt it. Orthodox Church is probably the most flexible of the lot. No comparison to catholicism.

It's very tolerant.



He is a Conservative, religious, and has his point of view and he represents it well as well as a sizable chunk of the electorate.



Example? What is your example of making the LGBTI community look bad.





It's a culture for many groups of people = Islam, Greeks, Jews





No he doesn't!

Example?





Agreed. Religions are not intolerant and don't preach intolerance.





It's not! It is the oldest Christian Faiths and one of the least conservative. For example, contraception, condoms and pills are openly endorsed and encouraged because of STDs and also to avoid Abortions which they don't like.

Pre-marital sex is only discouraged but not the end of the world.

Gays are also welcome into the congregation without judgement.





It just goes back to scripture and their belief in the institution of marriage which they believe is between a man and Woman.





Such arguments are straw man arguments.

Orthodox are not allowed to preach any hate or intolerance to any group whether other religions, races, or LGBTI!

It's forbidden and a sin as far as they are concerned.

Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 01:40:40 PM

Oh god the shitposting is back.

-PB

He's a sick bastard.

SJW at its best there rusty despite the coalition saving hundreds of lives and closing down 14 detention centres.

They want to go back to the Rudd/Gillard years debacle as if that is going to be better for the refugees. :lol: