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BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:
Example? What is your example of making the LGBTI community look bad.
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During a Senate debate last night Senator Bernardi said the push for same-sex marriage was coming from "radicals" who were determined to overturn the social fabric of Australian society.
And he questioned where the campaign would end, if society was prepared to redefine marriage based on the "latest criterion" that it should be allowed irrespective of gender.
"The next step, quite frankly, is having three people or four people that love each other being able to enter into a permanent union endorsed by society - or any other type of relationship," Senator Bernardi said.
"There are even some creepy people out there... [who] say it is OK to have consensual sexual relations between humans and animals.
"Will that be a future step? In the future will we say, 'These two creatures love each other and maybe they should be able to be joined in a union'.
"I think that these things are the next step."
He's a sick bastard. There is nothing wrong with that! He is right!
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BETHFC
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Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:
Example? What is your example of making the LGBTI community look bad.
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During a Senate debate last night Senator Bernardi said the push for same-sex marriage was coming from "radicals" who were determined to overturn the social fabric of Australian society.
And he questioned where the campaign would end, if society was prepared to redefine marriage based on the "latest criterion" that it should be allowed irrespective of gender.
"The next step, quite frankly, is having three people or four people that love each other being able to enter into a permanent union endorsed by society - or any other type of relationship," Senator Bernardi said.
"There are even some creepy people out there... [who] say it is OK to have consensual sexual relations between humans and animals.
"Will that be a future step? In the future will we say, 'These two creatures love each other and maybe they should be able to be joined in a union'.
"I think that these things are the next step."
He's a sick bastard. There is nothing wrong with that! He is right! You disgust me. Animals cannot consent for one. There is no evidence suggesting polygamy is on the cards. The name of God is responsible for some complete fucking morons on this rock. Edited by bethfc: 22/6/2016 01:46:16 PM
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My understanding is a homophobe is someone who fears or hates homosexuals. I think you will find most religious people, at least of the Christian faith, neither fear nor hate homosexuals. They may disagree with their lifestyle and regarding it as sin, but to say they hate or fear the person themselves is obviously meant more as an insult rather than an accurate characterization of their beliefs.
Im unsure on gay marriage. I absolutely support legal unions , and the caring part of me says that gay people should have the same rights and institutions available to heterosexual couples, but the logical part of me tells me that men are meant to be with women with women with men and that the natural order of things should be respected.
I think it should be left to a plebiscite.
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Aikhme
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BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:
Example? What is your example of making the LGBTI community look bad.
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During a Senate debate last night Senator Bernardi said the push for same-sex marriage was coming from "radicals" who were determined to overturn the social fabric of Australian society.
And he questioned where the campaign would end, if society was prepared to redefine marriage based on the "latest criterion" that it should be allowed irrespective of gender.
"The next step, quite frankly, is having three people or four people that love each other being able to enter into a permanent union endorsed by society - or any other type of relationship," Senator Bernardi said.
"There are even some creepy people out there... [who] say it is OK to have consensual sexual relations between humans and animals.
"Will that be a future step? In the future will we say, 'These two creatures love each other and maybe they should be able to be joined in a union'.
"I think that these things are the next step."
He's a sick bastard. There is nothing wrong with that! He is right! You disgust me. Animals cannot consent for one. There is no evidence suggesting polygamy is on the cards. The name of God is responsible for some complete fucking morons on this rock. Edited by bethfc: 22/6/2016 01:46:16 PM I wasn't talking about that. What he is saying is that the institution of marriage will be cheapened, and that the acceptance of this into such an institution will result in other things weaving their way into acceptance. Things such as Gender Fluidity and Safe Schools are just the next step. It's got nothing to do with homophobia or intolerance.
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BETHFC wrote:
There is no evidence suggesting polygamy is on the cards.
Surely a Bi-Sexual should be able to have a husband and a wife, anything else would constitute discrimination Edited by View from the fence: 22/6/2016 02:29:49 PM
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Aikhme
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View from the fence wrote:BETHFC wrote:
There is no evidence suggesting polygamy is on the cards.
Surely Bi-Sexual should be able to have a husband and a wife, anything else would constitute discrimination I am sure there are many Bisexual marriages. But infidelity is something they don't condone.
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BETHFC
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Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:
Example? What is your example of making the LGBTI community look bad.
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During a Senate debate last night Senator Bernardi said the push for same-sex marriage was coming from "radicals" who were determined to overturn the social fabric of Australian society.
And he questioned where the campaign would end, if society was prepared to redefine marriage based on the "latest criterion" that it should be allowed irrespective of gender.
"The next step, quite frankly, is having three people or four people that love each other being able to enter into a permanent union endorsed by society - or any other type of relationship," Senator Bernardi said.
"There are even some creepy people out there... [who] say it is OK to have consensual sexual relations between humans and animals.
"Will that be a future step? In the future will we say, 'These two creatures love each other and maybe they should be able to be joined in a union'.
"I think that these things are the next step."
He's a sick bastard. There is nothing wrong with that! He is right! You disgust me. Animals cannot consent for one. There is no evidence suggesting polygamy is on the cards. The name of God is responsible for some complete fucking morons on this rock. Edited by bethfc: 22/6/2016 01:46:16 PM I wasn't talking about that. What he is saying is that the institution of marriage will be cheapened, and that the acceptance of this into such an institution will result in other things weaving their way into acceptance. Things such as Gender Fluidity and Safe Schools are just the next step. It's got nothing to do with homophobia or intolerance. So where is his hatred for broken relationships rising in the community? The institution is already cheap with divorce rates rising. You can't keep making this about the 'community', not with heterosexual problems rampant.
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Is there even anything wrong with the idea of a polyamorous marriage?
For the first time, but certainly not the last, I began to believe that Arsenals moods and fortunes somehow reflected my own. - Hornby
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Aikhme
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BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:
Example? What is your example of making the LGBTI community look bad.
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During a Senate debate last night Senator Bernardi said the push for same-sex marriage was coming from "radicals" who were determined to overturn the social fabric of Australian society.
And he questioned where the campaign would end, if society was prepared to redefine marriage based on the "latest criterion" that it should be allowed irrespective of gender.
"The next step, quite frankly, is having three people or four people that love each other being able to enter into a permanent union endorsed by society - or any other type of relationship," Senator Bernardi said.
"There are even some creepy people out there... [who] say it is OK to have consensual sexual relations between humans and animals.
"Will that be a future step? In the future will we say, 'These two creatures love each other and maybe they should be able to be joined in a union'.
"I think that these things are the next step."
He's a sick bastard. There is nothing wrong with that! He is right! You disgust me. Animals cannot consent for one. There is no evidence suggesting polygamy is on the cards. The name of God is responsible for some complete fucking morons on this rock. Edited by bethfc: 22/6/2016 01:46:16 PM I wasn't talking about that. What he is saying is that the institution of marriage will be cheapened, and that the acceptance of this into such an institution will result in other things weaving their way into acceptance. Things such as Gender Fluidity and Safe Schools are just the next step. It's got nothing to do with homophobia or intolerance. So where is his hatred for broken relationships rising in the community? The institution is already cheap with divorce rates rising. You can't keep making this about the 'community', not with heterosexual problems rampant. That is only for societies that have a low sense of community and with the non religious. Usually, religious couples have lower incidences of broken marriages. The lowest incidences are in the Orthodox, Coptic, and Jewish faiths where you will see less than 10%.
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BETHFC
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Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:
Example? What is your example of making the LGBTI community look bad.
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During a Senate debate last night Senator Bernardi said the push for same-sex marriage was coming from "radicals" who were determined to overturn the social fabric of Australian society.
And he questioned where the campaign would end, if society was prepared to redefine marriage based on the "latest criterion" that it should be allowed irrespective of gender.
"The next step, quite frankly, is having three people or four people that love each other being able to enter into a permanent union endorsed by society - or any other type of relationship," Senator Bernardi said.
"There are even some creepy people out there... [who] say it is OK to have consensual sexual relations between humans and animals.
"Will that be a future step? In the future will we say, 'These two creatures love each other and maybe they should be able to be joined in a union'.
"I think that these things are the next step."
He's a sick bastard. There is nothing wrong with that! He is right! You disgust me. Animals cannot consent for one. There is no evidence suggesting polygamy is on the cards. The name of God is responsible for some complete fucking morons on this rock. Edited by bethfc: 22/6/2016 01:46:16 PM I wasn't talking about that. What he is saying is that the institution of marriage will be cheapened, and that the acceptance of this into such an institution will result in other things weaving their way into acceptance. Things such as Gender Fluidity and Safe Schools are just the next step. It's got nothing to do with homophobia or intolerance. So where is his hatred for broken relationships rising in the community? The institution is already cheap with divorce rates rising. You can't keep making this about the 'community', not with heterosexual problems rampant. That is only for societies that have a low sense of community and with the non religious. Usually, religious couples have lower incidences of broken marriages. The lowest incidences are in the Orthodox, Coptic, and Jewish faiths where you will see less than 10%. That's patronising to assume broken marriages are associated with non religious or a lack of community spirit. It also does not address my question.
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Aikhme
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BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:BETHFC wrote:Aikhme wrote:
Example? What is your example of making the LGBTI community look bad.
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During a Senate debate last night Senator Bernardi said the push for same-sex marriage was coming from "radicals" who were determined to overturn the social fabric of Australian society.
And he questioned where the campaign would end, if society was prepared to redefine marriage based on the "latest criterion" that it should be allowed irrespective of gender.
"The next step, quite frankly, is having three people or four people that love each other being able to enter into a permanent union endorsed by society - or any other type of relationship," Senator Bernardi said.
"There are even some creepy people out there... [who] say it is OK to have consensual sexual relations between humans and animals.
"Will that be a future step? In the future will we say, 'These two creatures love each other and maybe they should be able to be joined in a union'.
"I think that these things are the next step."
He's a sick bastard. There is nothing wrong with that! He is right! You disgust me. Animals cannot consent for one. There is no evidence suggesting polygamy is on the cards. The name of God is responsible for some complete fucking morons on this rock. Edited by bethfc: 22/6/2016 01:46:16 PM I wasn't talking about that. What he is saying is that the institution of marriage will be cheapened, and that the acceptance of this into such an institution will result in other things weaving their way into acceptance. Things such as Gender Fluidity and Safe Schools are just the next step. It's got nothing to do with homophobia or intolerance. So where is his hatred for broken relationships rising in the community? The institution is already cheap with divorce rates rising. You can't keep making this about the 'community', not with heterosexual problems rampant. That is only for societies that have a low sense of community and with the non religious. Usually, religious couples have lower incidences of broken marriages. The lowest incidences are in the Orthodox, Coptic, and Jewish faiths where you will see less than 10%. That's patronising to assume broken marriages are associated with non religious or a lack of community spirit. It also does not address my question. It is what it is. Do you want me to make it up so I can be less patronising?
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BETHFC
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Aikhme wrote:
That's patronising to assume broken marriages are associated with non religious or a lack of community spirit.
It also does not address my question.
It is what it is. Do you want me to make it up so I can be less patronising? [/quote] I guess marriage rates could also remain high in more conservative communities because people are afraid to leave and would rather develop mental illnesses by staying in an unhappy marriage rather than face up to their family and community.
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The more economic independence women have, the higher the divorce rate is.
That should indicate to you why divorce rates are lower amongst the conservative, and the religious. They lack the financial resources and/or support networks to leave an unhappy marriage.
Why is divorce automatically thought of as bad anyway?
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AzzaMarch wrote:Why is divorce automatically thought of as bad anyway? What's the point of Marriage ?
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Aikhme
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Aikhme wrote:
That's patronising to assume broken marriages are associated with non religious or a lack of community spirit.
It also does not address my question.
It is what it is. Do you want me to make it up so I can be less patronising? [/quote] BETHFC wrote:I guess marriage rates could also remain high in more conservative communities because people are afraid to leave and would rather develop mental illnesses by staying in an unhappy marriage rather than face up to their family and community. Now you are being patronising. It is a fact that Marriages in conservative cultures (I exclude Islam) have greater family support and a better sense of community and families are far more tighter (Italian, Greek, Jewish etc) Therefore, less likelihood of failed marriages. Also less likelihood of crime and drugs. I am not religious btw. I am Atheist. But I do like the Orthodox Church for its cultural wealth and as part of my National Identity. One of my favourite things is the fantastic art and iconography. It's fantastic. Edited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 03:04:17 PMEdited by Aikhme: 22/6/2016 03:05:45 PM
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AzzaMarch wrote:The more economic independence women have, the higher the divorce rate is.
That should indicate to you why divorce rates are lower amongst the conservative, and the religious. They lack the financial resources and/or support networks to leave an unhappy marriage.
Why is divorce automatically thought of as bad anyway? In the context of "nuclear family + good community" I brought up divorce as a heterosexual example of a break down in 'community' to counter the argument made by Aikhme that gay marriage would lead to the break down in 'community'.
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AzzaMarch wrote:The more economic independence women have, the higher the divorce rate is.
That should indicate to you why divorce rates are lower amongst the conservative, and the religious. They lack the financial resources and/or support networks to leave an unhappy marriage.
Why is divorce automatically thought of as bad anyway? You know, one of the greatest stereotypes is that Greeks and Italians are more mysogynist. That is not true. Australian society is more mysogynist. Women in our culture are a lot more equal than Australian Women.
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BETHFC wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:The more economic independence women have, the higher the divorce rate is.
That should indicate to you why divorce rates are lower amongst the conservative, and the religious. They lack the financial resources and/or support networks to leave an unhappy marriage.
Why is divorce automatically thought of as bad anyway? In the context of "nuclear family + good community" I brought up divorce as a heterosexual example of a break down in 'community' to counter the argument made by Aikhme that gay marriage would lead to the break down in 'community'. It's not a good example when you apply this to conservative communities of some religiosity. The sense of community and family is very evident in some cultures - Jews, Greeks, Italians, Spanish etc etc (there are many more). It is a lot stronger than in communities that have no religion, or cultural identity. Australia is an example of this.
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AzzaMarch wrote:The more economic independence women have, the higher the divorce rate is.
That should indicate to you why divorce rates are lower amongst the conservative, and the religious. They lack the financial resources and/or support networks to leave an unhappy marriage.
Why is divorce automatically thought of as bad anyway? I think the whole , ya know, custody battles, negative effect on children, financial strain, stigma of failure, etc.
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Aikhme wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:The more economic independence women have, the higher the divorce rate is.
That should indicate to you why divorce rates are lower amongst the conservative, and the religious. They lack the financial resources and/or support networks to leave an unhappy marriage.
Why is divorce automatically thought of as bad anyway? You know, one of the greatest stereotypes is that Greeks and Italians are more mysogynist. That is not true. Australian society is more mysogynist. Women in our culture are a lot more equal than Australian Women. Assuming that greeks and Italians are more conservative or religious than anyone else is a stereotype as well.
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rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:The more economic independence women have, the higher the divorce rate is.
That should indicate to you why divorce rates are lower amongst the conservative, and the religious. They lack the financial resources and/or support networks to leave an unhappy marriage.
Why is divorce automatically thought of as bad anyway? I think the whole , ya know, custody battles, negative effect on children, financial strain, stigma of failure, etc. or the Forever Oath being broken
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rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:The more economic independence women have, the higher the divorce rate is.
That should indicate to you why divorce rates are lower amongst the conservative, and the religious. They lack the financial resources and/or support networks to leave an unhappy marriage.
Why is divorce automatically thought of as bad anyway? I think the whole , ya know, custody battles, negative effect on children, financial strain, stigma of failure, etc. Yeah but that doesn't happen in many (I would argue most) divorces. And how much damage has been inflicted on women and children when they are trapped in loveless/abusive marriages?
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AzzaMarch wrote:Aikhme wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:The more economic independence women have, the higher the divorce rate is.
That should indicate to you why divorce rates are lower amongst the conservative, and the religious. They lack the financial resources and/or support networks to leave an unhappy marriage.
Why is divorce automatically thought of as bad anyway? You know, one of the greatest stereotypes is that Greeks and Italians are more mysogynist. That is not true. Australian society is more mysogynist. Women in our culture are a lot more equal than Australian Women. Assuming that greeks and Italians are more conservative or religious than anyone else is a stereotype as well. Not when it is true.
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AzzaMarch wrote:rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:The more economic independence women have, the higher the divorce rate is.
That should indicate to you why divorce rates are lower amongst the conservative, and the religious. They lack the financial resources and/or support networks to leave an unhappy marriage.
Why is divorce automatically thought of as bad anyway? I think the whole , ya know, custody battles, negative effect on children, financial strain, stigma of failure, etc. Yeah but that doesn't happen in many (I would argue most) divorces. And how much damage has been inflicted on women and children when they are trapped in loveless/abusive marriages? Yeah but that doens't happen in many (I would argue most) marriages. :lol:
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rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:rusty wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:The more economic independence women have, the higher the divorce rate is.
That should indicate to you why divorce rates are lower amongst the conservative, and the religious. They lack the financial resources and/or support networks to leave an unhappy marriage.
Why is divorce automatically thought of as bad anyway? I think the whole , ya know, custody battles, negative effect on children, financial strain, stigma of failure, etc. Yeah but that doesn't happen in many (I would argue most) divorces. And how much damage has been inflicted on women and children when they are trapped in loveless/abusive marriages? Yeah but that doens't happen in many (I would argue most) marriages. :lol: Never said it did happen in many or most marriages.
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Bill shorten got asked by Kyle and Jackie O if he had been to a strip club...he said he has been when he was in uni once or twice ...only to say he walked out when he realised what sort of establishments they were:lol:
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Aikhme wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:The more economic independence women have, the higher the divorce rate is.
That should indicate to you why divorce rates are lower amongst the conservative, and the religious. They lack the financial resources and/or support networks to leave an unhappy marriage.
Why is divorce automatically thought of as bad anyway? You know, one of the greatest stereotypes is that Greeks and Italians are more mysogynist. That is not true. Australian society is more mysogynist. Women in our culture are a lot more equal than Australian Women. Europe has a better 'male-female social accord' than Australia does. Fact.
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SocaWho wrote:Bill shorten got asked by Kyle and Jackie O if he had been to a strip club...he said he has been when he was in uni once or twice ...only to say he walked out when he realised what sort of establishments they were:lol: To be bonest they're dinge lol -PB
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Richard Di-Natale speaks so well and offers his policies without the need to swipe at his opposition. I think he's doing himself a dis-service being leader of the greens who are dragged down by eco-warriors.
I've listed in detail my issues with the Greens policies (I fully agree with more than I disagree with), but until they become a little more reasonable with some of their environmental and financial policies I just can't bring myself to vote for them. It's a shame because Di-Natale is smart, well spoken and articulate with the points he makes. No 3 word slogans, not promoting his policies by attacking others.
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BETHFC wrote:Richard Di-Natale speaks so well and offers his policies without the need to swipe at his opposition. I think he's doing himself a dis-service being leader of the greens who are dragged down by eco-warriors.
I've listed in detail my issues with the Greens policies (I fully agree with more than I disagree with), but until they become a little more reasonable with some of their environmental and financial policies I just can't bring myself to vote for them. It's a shame because Di-Natale is smart, well spoken and articulate with the points he makes. No 3 word slogans, not promoting his policies by attacking others. You have to remember that as a minor party (eg not an alternative govt), it is much more in their interest to be more "ideologically pure" than to compromise and put off their base. The perfect example of what can happen to minor parties who are seen to have lost their purity is the collapse of the Australian Democrats after passing the GST. They were wiped out within 2 elections. If you look at the example of Greens parties in Europe, if the Greens here ever got big enough to be part of govt in a coalition etc, they will moderate their position on many policies.
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