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Benjamin wrote:paulc wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:Glory Recruit wrote:Yeah for a multicultural country we have a lot of racial exclusive clubs hey? Stop going on about them being racially exclusive it just makes you sound like a fucking idiot when they are clearly not racially exclusive. They don't turn away people who aren't of Croatian heritage, just like no other club turns away people who aren't of whatever heritage. Stop calling people idiots when you are the biggest one of them all. When I went to see Melb Croatia play in it's last year of the NSL, the sequence of events went as follows. I parked the car and walked towards to ticket gate, passing the social clubs full of Croatians with exclusive Croatian music. I had to wait to pay for my ticket becuase the attendent was busy speaking speaking to someone else in Croation. I enterered the ground and saw signage of Croatian gyprockers, two bob real estate agents and builders. I was handed a calandar. And guess what. exclusively in Croatian. People next to me, talking in Croatian. So I sat to watch the game and then comes the ethnic chants including, Cro-art-tzi-ar, Cro-art-tzi-ar. Yep. I felt really at home. Now you shou go go home and fuck your father's donkey for telling you porkies. Ah, so, because you had issues at a game in the 80s, these problems MUST still exist in football today - because no one has moved forward in that time? As for people speaking Croatian - I'd rather that than the fine example of English in your closing comment. Edited by Benjamin: 14/4/2012 04:12:59 PM As I stated, it was the "last year of the NSL", hardly the 80's. Are you illiterate?
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StarvinMarvin wrote:Benjamin wrote:Glory Recruit wrote:Did bozza not say we're passed ethnic clubs we are australians first and foremost.
Yes im sure roar supporters r all dutch. Is that the same Bozza, a man of Croatian heritage, who was welcomed onto the board at Sydney Olympic? Surely with all this ethnic tension around no Greek club would ever have a man of Croatian heritage in a position of power? If so, his point (made several times over the last couple of years) is that we aren't Greek or Croatian or Italian clubs anymore - we are Australian clubs. Bosnich is the token non greek guy at olympic. Read the names of board members and coaches and tell me they dont have a policy of 'keep things in the family'. Do you reckon it's because they try to exclude others or because people of Greek background have grown up supporting the club and are now giving something back? I very much doubt that if a non-Greek with the right experience/qualifications wanted to be involved that they'd be told to piss off.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:Glory Recruit wrote:Did bozza not say we're passed ethnic clubs we are australians first and foremost.
Yes he did, and I completely agree with him. It is time to move on, but that doesn't mean it is ok to constantly heap shit on these clubs who did more for football in this country than most people. Seriously, threads like this are created, people line up to take shots at these clubs and then people act shocked and all angry when the supporters of these clubs fire back. Like i said i got no problems in bringing in these teams to A-league with a rebrand tho. Im a big believer in everyone being australian so i dont like seing division especially with sport?
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paulc wrote:Benjamin wrote:paulc wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:Glory Recruit wrote:Yeah for a multicultural country we have a lot of racial exclusive clubs hey? Stop going on about them being racially exclusive it just makes you sound like a fucking idiot when they are clearly not racially exclusive. They don't turn away people who aren't of Croatian heritage, just like no other club turns away people who aren't of whatever heritage. Stop calling people idiots when you are the biggest one of them all. When I went to see Melb Croatia play in it's last year of the NSL, the sequence of events went as follows. I parked the car and walked towards to ticket gate, passing the social clubs full of Croatians with exclusive Croatian music. I had to wait to pay for my ticket becuase the attendent was busy speaking speaking to someone else in Croation. I enterered the ground and saw signage of Croatian gyprockers, two bob real estate agents and builders. I was handed a calandar. And guess what. exclusively in Croatian. People next to me, talking in Croatian. So I sat to watch the game and then comes the ethnic chants including, Cro-art-tzi-ar, Cro-art-tzi-ar. Yep. I felt really at home. Now you shou go go home and fuck your father's donkey for telling you porkies. Ah, so, because you had issues at a game in the 80s, these problems MUST still exist in football today - because no one has moved forward in that time? As for people speaking Croatian - I'd rather that than the fine example of English in your closing comment. Edited by Benjamin: 14/4/2012 04:12:59 PM As I stated, it was the "last year of the NSL", hardly the 80's. Are you illiterate? Apologies - read it as 'first' year, my mistake. Comment retracted.
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SydneyCroatia wrote:StarvinMarvin wrote:Benjamin wrote:Glory Recruit wrote:Did bozza not say we're passed ethnic clubs we are australians first and foremost.
Yes im sure roar supporters r all dutch. Is that the same Bozza, a man of Croatian heritage, who was welcomed onto the board at Sydney Olympic? Surely with all this ethnic tension around no Greek club would ever have a man of Croatian heritage in a position of power? If so, his point (made several times over the last couple of years) is that we aren't Greek or Croatian or Italian clubs anymore - we are Australian clubs. Bosnich is the token non greek guy at olympic. Read the names of board members and coaches and tell me they dont have a policy of 'keep things in the family'. Do you reckon it's because they try to exclude others or because people of Greek background have grown up supporting the club and are now giving something back? I very much doubt that if a non-Greek with the right experience/qualifications wanted to be involved that they'd be told to piss off. Curious to know what you mean by this. I can't be 100% certain of this, but I'm pretty sure that if I had the time and was willing to invest the effort, I could get myself on to the board at SMFC - and I'm about as Greek as Bozza. Or would I just be a token?
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SydneyCroatia wrote:StarvinMarvin wrote:Benjamin wrote:Glory Recruit wrote:Did bozza not say we're passed ethnic clubs we are australians first and foremost.
Yes im sure roar supporters r all dutch. Is that the same Bozza, a man of Croatian heritage, who was welcomed onto the board at Sydney Olympic? Surely with all this ethnic tension around no Greek club would ever have a man of Croatian heritage in a position of power? If so, his point (made several times over the last couple of years) is that we aren't Greek or Croatian or Italian clubs anymore - we are Australian clubs. Bosnich is the token non greek guy at olympic. Read the names of board members and coaches and tell me they dont have a policy of 'keep things in the family'. Do you reckon it's because they try to exclude others or because people of Greek background have grown up supporting the club and are now giving something back? I very much doubt that if a non-Greek with the right experience/qualifications wanted to be involved that they'd be told to piss off. From my point of view I agree with what you, and others, who have said that clubs will welcome anyone in such as players and supporters. People are deluded if they think certain clubs are ethinc enclaves who want nothing to do with the wider australian community. However it's quite clear that certain clubs wish to retain certain traits underneath the surface. Why would clubs with such long history still retain mostly monoethnic board rooms, staff, etc. Surely if they are connected to their local communities local business people, ex-players and former coaches would be more represented.
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SydneyCroatia wrote:I very much doubt that if a non-Greek with the right experience/qualifications wanted to be involved that they'd be told to piss off. Well no they would be invited in, asked lots of questions about their work history, qualifications, experience etc, possibly speak of their love for football and probably exchange some football banter , the interview would conclude strongly, the vibe would be very positive and the handshakes would be firm and promising. The candidate might even be invited back for a second interview, but ultimately the job would go to a another Greek unless his name is Mark Bosnich.
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Benjamin wrote:I can't be 100% certain of this, but I'm pretty sure that if I had the time and was willing to invest the effort, I could get myself on to the board at SMFC - and I'm about as Greek as Bozza. Or would I just be a token? Yeah I'm hoping to get on the board of Man United soon, just need to find the time and effort...
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rusty wrote:Benjamin wrote:I can't be 100% certain of this, but I'm pretty sure that if I had the time and was willing to invest the effort, I could get myself on to the board at SMFC - and I'm about as Greek as Bozza. Or would I just be a token? Yeah I'm hoping to get on the board of Man United soon, just need to find the time and effort... Who writes your jokes, and how long has he been on strike?
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:Seriously, threads like this are created, people line up to take shots at these clubs and then people act shocked and all angry when the supporters of these clubs fire back. I'm pretty sure most of those clubs are forgotten, but whenever something bad happens in the A league, the retrograde football fans come out of the woods and are all over it like a rash, celebrating the death of clubs and the misery of their fans as almost like a victory for their own. And you wonder why we fire back..
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Benjamin wrote:rusty wrote:Benjamin wrote:I can't be 100% certain of this, but I'm pretty sure that if I had the time and was willing to invest the effort, I could get myself on to the board at SMFC - and I'm about as Greek as Bozza. Or would I just be a token? Yeah I'm hoping to get on the board of Man United soon, just need to find the time and effort... Who writes your jokes, and how long has he been on strike? I'm serious man if I can invest the effort I could probably get on Man U board if I really wanted.
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rusty wrote:Benjamin wrote:rusty wrote:Benjamin wrote:I can't be 100% certain of this, but I'm pretty sure that if I had the time and was willing to invest the effort, I could get myself on to the board at SMFC - and I'm about as Greek as Bozza. Or would I just be a token? Yeah I'm hoping to get on the board of Man United soon, just need to find the time and effort... Who writes your jokes, and how long has he been on strike? I'm serious man if I can invest the effort I could probably get on Man U board if I really wanted. I'm sure a lack of finance, being on the wrong side of the planet, and not knowing anyone on the current board won't count against you if you put the effort in.
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The whole arguement of this thread doesn't stack up. There are already at least 2 ethnic teams competing in the league. One Dutch and one Jewish. I'll leave it for the OP to work out.
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paulc wrote:The reason you edited and tampered with it is because you and your lot are in denial. Here's one that brings merories back involving Melbourne Croatia. Good reading. Quote:Soccer violence at Melbourne game
PM Archive - Monday, 7 May , 2001 00:00:00 Reporter: David Mark
MARK COLVIN: Australian soccer is in crisis again, and crowd violence is to blame. Last night's semi-final between the Melbourne Knights and Perth Glory - in Melbourne - ended in violence when Knights' supporters attacked some of the Perth players and a coach as they were leaving the ground.
Perth's coach Bernd Stange was injured. A security guard was knocked unconscious and a female Soccer Australia official was also attacked.
Last night's violence is just the latest in a long history of trouble involving Melbourne Knights fans. But Soccer Australia is attempting to play down the significance of another chapter of crowd violence.
David Mark reports.
DAVID MARK: Last night's match ended in a nil all draw, but it was events after the match that caused today's controversy.
It's alleged Melbourne's striker, Bobby Despotovski, made an offensive hand gesture to some of the Melbourne fans which incited the crowd.
Melbourne Knights general manager, Robert Herzic.
ROBERT HERZIC: What transpired was I think they were trying to get at a player in particular - and that one is Bobby Despotovski - for finger gestures that he was making to them during the course of the game, and in particular while he was being escorted from the changing rooms to the buses.
DAVID MARK: The alleged gesture was said to be offensive to the Croatian fans who make up a large percentage of the Knight supporter base.
Stephen Kamansz is the general manager of the National Soccer League.
STEPHEN KAMANSZ: We understand that some of the players and the coach were leaving the changing room after the game. They were set upon by a small group of allegedly Melbourne Knights supporters, and that at least one player and the coach were assaulted, and that a security guard was assaulted also. Beyond that, I, I really don't know.
DAVID MARK: The chairman of Perth Glory, Nick Tana, believes Despotovski has denied the allegations, but says the club will carry out its own investigation.
NICK TANA: My understanding is he spoke on radio. I, as I've said, I am not certain, but that is what . I've been told by third hand party. I haven't spoken to the player in regards to whether or not he did or did not make any gesture. No.
DAVID MARK: But you will be seeking to do so?
NICK TANNA: Definitely.
DAVID MARK: The National Soccer League will conduct an investigation into the matter which it hopes to complete by Wednesday.
The inquiry could result in disciplinary action being taken against either the Melbourne Knights or Despotovski.
UNIDENTIFIED: Now, as the chairman has said, I'm, I'm conducting an investigation. I hope to be in a position by tomorrow - it may be Wednesday - to provide all the information to the Board. What happens from there is a matter for the Board.
DAVID MARK: But at this stage Soccer Australia's Board won't be meeting until Saturday night - the same night of the rematch between Perth Glory and the Melbourne Knights. And so any disciplinary action most likely wouldn't take place until after the match.
Regardless of the outcome of the inquiry, it does seem that this event is a return to the ethnic violence that has beset Australian soccer in the past.
Many of the clubs in the National Soccer League were set up by various ethnic groups. The clubs' national allegiances have led to problems in the past, with supporters fighting each other, mirroring tensions in other parts of the world.
In the 90s Soccer Australia attempted to stamp out the problem by renaming the clubs. Thus Melbourne Croatia became the Knights, and South Melbourne Hellas dropped their Greek reference.
Even so, about half of the clubs in the NSL retained their ethnic supporter base. And as the weekend's incident shows, even clean skins - like the five-year-old Perth Glory, with no ethnic affiliations - can be involved in alleged racial incidents.
But Soccer Australia chairman, Tony Labozetta, says the incident isn't a return to the violence of the past.
TONY LABOZETTA: I think that we've gone away from that. As I've said this was an isolated case, and I cannot imagine - in my wildest dreams - that any such repercussions will happen again.
DAVID MARK: As part of the NSL's restructure, does Soccer Australia need to make sure that the clubs move further away from their allegiances with certain ethnic groups?
TONY LABOZETTA: I think it's always been said that a lot of the clubs are predominantly started from the ethnic background, but I think we've gone beyond that. I think that clubs today are well aware of their responsibilities, their need to broaden their base.
What is important is that what they have got should be their sort of foundation, but they need to branch out and they need to go beyond that. And I'm sure that most clubs are very, very clearly doing that at the moment, and we're here to support them in making sure that that happens
Edited by paulc: 14/4/2012 12:27:59 PM I dont deny that happened but do you know what caused it?? and which certain perth glory player got suspended for 3 or 4 games after that incident, knowing full well what he done after scoreing what impact it would have on the home crowd?=; =;
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FB wrote:The whole arguement of this thread doesn't stack up. There are already at least 2 ethnic teams competing in the league. One Dutch and one Jewish. I'll leave it for the OP to work out.
Edited by FB: 14/4/2012 11:40:01 PM Now i know who the jewish (sydney hakoa reborn) one is but im scratching my head as to who the dutch one is!!lol
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Smell the FEAR. Often used about those that are against us from other codes but i think it applies here.
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im still scratching my head who is the dutch team?lol
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cro69 wrote:im still scratching my head who is the dutch team?lol Hmmm. who wears ORANGE. If you still don't know look at my name and profile picture. =p~
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cro69 wrote:im still scratching my head who is the dutch team?lol He is referring to Brisbane Roar, formed by Dutch immigrants in 1957 as Hollandia-Inala Soccer Club, they then changed their name to Brisbane Lions, and then changed against to Queensland Lions until they entered the A-League as Queensland Roar.
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I like ethnic based clubs. The food is great.
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notorganic wrote:I like ethnic based clubs. The food is great. Does it make you all;  -PB
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You have to go back to 2005 to justify an argument? I got plenty examples since 2005 of how the FFA is detroying the game, and of severe mismanagement by mainstream clubs.
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On Monday afternoon Sydney Olympic beat Sydney United in the grand final of the Football NSW Premier League and won the double, after winning the Minor Premiership two weeks ago and now celebrated the Championship at their home ground. The fans of the two former NSL Clubs created an electric atmosphere that any club in Australia would be jealous of and all players would love to experience in their career. More than 12.000 people packed Belmore Sports Ground, breaking another record not only for the most people at Belmore in the past decade but also the most fans attending a Football NSW game since it was formed.
People from all calibres of the society were present from politicians, players and coaches from a number of clubs and even people that travelled all the way from Melbourne and Canberra to watch the game. The queues formed to enter the ground blocked the entire Edison lane and delayed the kick off of the game but everyone was happy to wait in the line and talk about the new era of Australian football that was being shaped after the record attendance of the 2011 Premier League Grand Final.
When the game finally kicked off the excitement from the fans was passed on to the players and Sydney Olympic took the opportunity and breached the defensive line of Sydney United in the 2nd minute as Alex Smith converted a fabulous snap-shot effort. Chris Triantis’ corner delivery from the right was partially cleared by the Reds as Smith finished with style past Vedran Janjetovic and had the whole stadium on their feet and the O-L-Y-M-P-I-C roar was heard all over the Canterbury area.
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sav wrote:On Monday afternoon Sydney Olympic beat Sydney United in the grand final of the Football NSW Premier League and won the double, after winning the Minor Premiership two weeks ago and now celebrated the Championship at their home ground. The fans of the two former NSL Clubs created an electric atmosphere that any club in Australia would be jealous of and all players would love to experience in their career. More than 12.000 people packed Belmore Sports Ground, breaking another record not only for the most people at Belmore in the past decade but also the most fans attending a Football NSW game since it was formed.
People from all calibres of the society were present from politicians, players and coaches from a number of clubs and even people that travelled all the way from Melbourne and Canberra to watch the game. The queues formed to enter the ground blocked the entire Edison lane and delayed the kick off of the game but everyone was happy to wait in the line and talk about the new era of Australian football that was being shaped after the record attendance of the 2011 Premier League Grand Final.
When the game finally kicked off the excitement from the fans was passed on to the players and Sydney Olympic took the opportunity and breached the defensive line of Sydney United in the 2nd minute as Alex Smith converted a fabulous snap-shot effort. Chris Triantis’ corner delivery from the right was partially cleared by the Reds as Smith finished with style past Vedran Janjetovic and had the whole stadium on their feet and the O-L-Y-M-P-I-C roar was heard all over the Canterbury area. How big was the riot? Oh, what's that you say - 12,000 people at a match between ethnic rivals and no riots? Can't be so. How many arrests? Pardon. Police reported no significant disturbances on the day of the match... Surely not. Flares everywhere? No. No flare related incidents... I think we have our dates wrong, isn't it still 1999? Edited by Benjamin: 16/4/2012 10:13:10 AM
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Since when are Greeks ethnic and nationalistic or political rivals of Croatians :lol: Plus how many of those fans were non Greek or non Croatian :oops: Edited by paulc: 16/4/2012 10:30:15 AM
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paulc wrote:Since when are Greeks ethnic and nationalistic or political rivals of Croatians :lol:
Plus how many of those fans were non Greek or non Croatian :oops:
Edited by paulc: 16/4/2012 10:30:15 AM How to defeat your own argument 101.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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General Ashnak wrote:paulc wrote:Since when are Greeks ethnic and nationalistic or political rivals of Croatians :lol:
Plus how many of those fans were non Greek or non Croatian :oops: How to defeat your own argument 101. Medic!! Paulc just done shot himself in the foot!
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paulc wrote:Since when are Greeks ethnic and nationalistic or political rivals of Croatians :lol:
Plus how many of those fans were non Greek or non Croatian :oops:
Edited by paulc: 16/4/2012 10:30:15 AM quite a few actually, myself included.
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