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Enzo Bearzot - 16 Nov 2019 4:24 PM
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433 - 16 Nov 2019 4:09 PM

Why re you resorting to insults?  I 

Do you have ANY idea of what the policy outcomes have been under Trump for the plebs 

Or is it that you hate Trump and follow what Hollywood, New York and Washington Media tell you and that's as far as you go?

FYI:

- 6 million jobs added

- 500,000 manufacturing jobs added

- lowest unemployment in 51 years

- 7.6 million job vacancies ie more jobs than people to fill them

- Blacks and Hispanics leading the job growth figures, with female Hispanics leading the way

- The percentage of Americans living with income below the official poverty line went down to 11.8% of the population in 2018, the lowest level since 2001.

- weekly earnings up 2.3 in rel terms

- economic growth rate up 2%

- food stamp  recipients down 15%

- 90% more Mexican border apprehensions (there's your Wall)

- Home prices up 22%

- Home ownership up

- Stocks up 30 %

- corporate profits up 7%

- handgun production down 23%



Any fool can spend their way out of trouble.  Borrow trillions, give tax cuts left, right and centre and then fuck off into the sunset and let the next bloke worry about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/10/25/us-deficit-hit-billion-marking-nearly-percent-increase-during-trump-era/

If you think that's a left wing rag then how about Fox.  https://www.foxnews.com/us/us-trade-gap-jumped-to-10-year-high-record-gap-with-china

or this  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/deficits-exploding-and-neither-party-seems-to-care
or this  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/govt-agency-predicts-trillion-dollar-deficits-for-the-foreseeable-future

there's dozens of others if you'd care to educate yourself.


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Enzo Bearzot - 16 Nov 2019 3:43 PM
Burztur - 16 Nov 2019 2:55 PM

What the hell is the son of someone running for President doing in Ukraine anyway?  Its a former Soviet nation who was in conflict with the Russians.  We're to believe only he could do that job?

Ignorance is a choice so perhaps you could get yourself up to speed here as to why he was there.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden

Irrespective of your politics though in what sort of alternate reality that you live in is it acceptable to ask a foreign power to investigate your opponent?  He, by his own admission, openly asked a foreign power to interfere in the domestic politics of the US. 

If Anthony Albanese or Bill Shorten did that then they should go to jail no questions asked.  If Hillary did that they'd be calling for a lynching in the streets.






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433 - 16 Nov 2019 4:09 PM
I'm sure those tax cuts that overwhelmingly went to the rich and allowed companies to buyback their own stocks really helped the little guys. If you honestly believe that Trump is some Gracchi-type tribune of the plebs then you're a fucking gullible moron that fell for his faux-populist rhetoric. 

Policy outcomes don't really matter at all, it's all about aesthetics and appearing as though you care about the little guy.

Why re you resorting to insults?  I 

Do you have ANY idea of what the policy outcomes have been under Trump for the plebs 

Or is it that you hate Trump and follow what Hollywood, New York and Washington Media tell you and that's as far as you go?

FYI:

- 6 million jobs added

- 500,000 manufacturing jobs added

- lowest unemployment in 51 years

- 7.6 million job vacancies ie more jobs than people to fill them

- Blacks and Hispanics leading the job growth figures, with female Hispanics leading the way

- The percentage of Americans living with income below the official poverty line went down to 11.8% of the population in 2018, the lowest level since 2001.

- weekly earnings up 2.3 in rel terms

- economic growth rate up 2%

- food stamp  recipients down 15%

- 90% more Mexican border apprehensions (there's your Wall)

- Home prices up 22%

- Home ownership up

- Stocks up 30 %

- corporate profits up 7%

- handgun production down 23%






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I'm sure those tax cuts that overwhelmingly went to the rich and allowed companies to buyback their own stocks really helped the little guys. If you honestly believe that Trump is some Gracchi-type tribune of the plebs then you're a fucking gullible moron that fell for his faux-populist rhetoric. 

Policy outcomes don't really matter at all, it's all about aesthetics and appearing as though you care about the little guy.
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Burztur - 16 Nov 2019 2:55 PM
mouflonrouge - 16 Nov 2019 2:04 PM

I don’t think Trump is the only one listening to the battlers. I would say he is abusing his power for personal gain and that’s most obvious with the Ukraine incident. The question is, do enough people care? Maybe, maybe not.

What the hell is the son of someone running for President doing in Ukraine anyway?  Its a former Soviet nation who was in conflict with the Russians.  We're to believe only he could do that job?
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Munrubenmuz - 16 Nov 2019 3:26 PM
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Enzo Bearzot - 16 Nov 2019 1:33 PM

He was being facetious.

I know.
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Burztur - 16 Nov 2019 2:55 PM
mouflonrouge - 16 Nov 2019 2:04 PM

I don’t think Trump is the only one listening to the battlers. I would say he is abusing his power for personal gain and that’s most obvious with the Ukraine incident. The question is, do enough people care? Maybe, maybe not.

Enzo Bearzot - 16 Nov 2019 1:33 PM
Captain Haddock - 16 Nov 2019 12:02 PM

Out of touch?  Don't know you that well but clearly Labor and its supporters don't understand how democracy works.  If the electorate votes against you, you're the problem.

Australia dodged a bullet by not voting Labor.

Enjoy being enlightened, loving, open-minded, and scientific for another 3 years in opposition.

Making it 20 out of 26 (and likely 29 years).

He was being facetious.


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mouflonrouge - 16 Nov 2019 2:04 PM
Burztur - 16 Nov 2019 1:39 PM

OK so you understand then what is going on here, that the masses who voted against the ALP or the Democrats in the USA are the very battlers and working class majorities tryig to put bread on the table.

The people who feel betrayed by what is now the looney left and jingoistic feel good, virtue signalers.

Why do you still consider the Trumps as being bad when they are the only ones listening to the battlers?

I don’t think Trump is the only one listening to the battlers. I would say he is abusing his power for personal gain and that’s most obvious with the Ukraine incident. The question is, do enough people care? Maybe, maybe not.
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Burztur - 16 Nov 2019 1:39 PM
mouflonrouge - 15 Nov 2019 7:53 PM

That’s what I mean by disenfranchised.


OK so you understand then what is going on here, that the masses who voted against the ALP or the Democrats in the USA are the very battlers and working class majorities tryig to put bread on the table.

The people who feel betrayed by what is now the looney left and jingoistic feel good, virtue signalers.

Why do you still consider the Trumps as being bad when they are the only ones listening to the battlers?

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mouflonrouge - 15 Nov 2019 7:53 PM
Burztur - 15 Nov 2019 7:49 PM

That is once again very flippant.

You said that his supporter base is disenfranchised. Might as well call them silly stupid people like all the other times.

Trump was voted for because he was an alternative to the establishment and the people needed a champion that would represent them rather than just give them jingoistic promises.

Yes the economy is doing well because Trump policies are actually not that bad. He has done a lot.

That’s what I mean by disenfranchised.


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Captain Haddock - 16 Nov 2019 12:02 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 16 Nov 2019 11:13 AM

Am I out of touch?

No, it's the ignorant, hateful, bigoted, racist, science-denying, Murdoch-drone voters who are wrong! 


Out of touch?  Don't know you that well but clearly Labor and its supporters don't understand how democracy works.  If the electorate votes against you, you're the problem.

Australia dodged a bullet by not voting Labor.

Enjoy being enlightened, loving, open-minded, and scientific for another 3 years in opposition.

Making it 20 out of 26 (and likely 29 years).
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Enzo Bearzot - 16 Nov 2019 11:13 AM
mouflonrouge - 16 Nov 2019 11:02 AM

Well said.

The Left offer nothing for Middle Americans and their leadership sneer down at them with derision. Hilary Clinton called them "A basket of Deplorables".  That makes her a Piece of Shit in my eyes.

The Left is incapable from objectively looking at anything that they don't like or understand.  Their decision-making process is based purely on emotion and "what they feel about something and someone. 

And its never their fault.

Even Federal Labor reviewed their election defeat.  Basically they told themselves they would have won if it wasn't for the voters.



Am I out of touch?

No, it's the ignorant, hateful, bigoted, racist, science-denying, Murdoch-drone voters who are wrong! 



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The Most Popular Presidential Candidate Of All Time (TM) cant go to a sports stadium in the country he presides over. Figure that one out...




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mouflonrouge - 16 Nov 2019 11:02 AM
Munrubenmuz - 16 Nov 2019 10:34 AM

Oh right so let's get this straight!

Trump is a pig, and yet Clinton and Obama are OK.

Trump creates hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs and yet he is a pig. Trump disengages from a policy of war and instability with North Korea and yet he is a pig.

Trump resurrects the US economy and yet he is a pig. He disengages from being the world cop and has had a policy of disengagement from wars and yet he is a pig.

Gee you are all difficult to please.

If he gets his policies from Fox News and considering the fact that his policies have generally been correct and have paid dividends for the US, then perhaps FOX NEWS should get involved in US Politics even more.

Well said.

The Left offer nothing for Middle Americans and their leadership sneer down at them with derision. Hilary Clinton called them "A basket of Deplorables".  That makes her a Piece of Shit in my eyes.

The Left is incapable from objectively looking at anything that they don't like or understand.  Their decision-making process is based purely on emotion and "what they feel about something and someone. 

And its never their fault.

Even Federal Labor reviewed their election defeat.  Basically they told themselves they would have won if it wasn't for the voters.



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Munrubenmuz - 16 Nov 2019 10:34 AM
Politics aside I dislike Trump because he's a pig of a human being.  In the common vernacular he is a 'piece of shit'.  If anyone, anywhere talked like he does in a pub he'd be punched in the head in 5 minutes flat.

He's narcissistic, a braggart, a child trapped in a man's body, a bigot, an ignoramus and a dozen other character faults.

No 'statesmen' or president should be carrying on like he does calling people names like a 6 year old in the playground.  It's embarrassing for the US. 

From all accounts, and you only have to look at all the people sacked or that have resigned from his staff, he's as dumb as a plank of wood, get's his policy advice from Fox News and has the attention span of ADHD child.  Not to mention he contradicts himself constantly and can barely read.  Now they're either all lying (unlikely) or he really is a stupid fucking idiot.

He's a stupid fucking idiot.

 

Oh right so let's get this straight!

Trump is a pig, and yet Clinton and Obama are OK.

Trump creates hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs and yet he is a pig. Trump disengages from a policy of war and instability with North Korea and yet he is a pig.

Trump resurrects the US economy and yet he is a pig. He disengages from being the world cop and has had a policy of disengagement from wars and yet he is a pig.

Gee you are all difficult to please.

If he gets his policies from Fox News and considering the fact that his policies have generally been correct and have paid dividends for the US, then perhaps FOX NEWS should get involved in US Politics even more.

The US under Trump is a free country which allows his opponents a platform whilst the other side does not believe the stupid plebs deserve a say. We see it in Australia, in the UK with BREXIT and all over the world. The plebs should just do what they say because they are too stupid to know what is good for them or the country.

Face it, it is the Trump supporters who are the DEMOCRATS here. You are Democrat in name only.


Just like in the UK. It is the Tories who are actually listening to the desires of the people who voted for BREXIT in 2016.

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Munrubenmuz - 16 Nov 2019 10:34 AM
Politics aside I dislike Trump because he's a pig of a human being.  In the common vernacular he is a 'piece of shit'.  If anyone, anywhere talked like he does in a pub he'd be punched in the head in 5 minutes flat.

He's narcissistic, a braggart, a child trapped in a man's body, a bigot, an ignoramus and a dozen other character faults.

No 'statesmen' or president should be carrying on like he does calling people names like a 6 year old in the playground.  It's embarrassing for the US. 

From all accounts, and you only have to look at all the people sacked or that have resigned from his staff, he's as dumb as a plank of wood, get's his policy advice from Fox News and has the attention span of ADHD child.  Not to mention he contradicts himself constantly and can barely read.  Now they're either all lying (unlikely) or he really is a stupid fucking idiot.

He's a stupid fucking idiot.

 

"Politics aside" ..I couldn't care less as long as he does what people voted for.

Understand this, f the Democrats win in 2020, it will be the closest America will come to civil war since the Civil War.

Under Trump- The Piece of Shit President- the Left is free to express whatever they want, even if to say The President is a Piece of Shit.

Under the Democrats, the Right will not be given such freedoms.  We know already that the Left uses de-platforming as a tactic to shut down Democracy for anyone that isn't them.  That's what created Trump. 

If the Dems win the Right won't be responding with internet memes.
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Politics aside I dislike Trump because he's a pig of a human being.  In the common vernacular he is a 'piece of shit'.  If anyone, anywhere talked like he does in a pub he'd be punched in the head in 5 minutes flat.

He's narcissistic, a braggart, a child trapped in a man's body, a bigot, an ignoramus and a dozen other character faults.

No 'statesmen' or president should be carrying on like he does calling people names like a 6 year old in the playground.  It's embarrassing for the US. 

From all accounts, and you only have to look at all the people sacked or that have resigned from his staff, he's as dumb as a plank of wood, gets his policy advice from Fox News and has the attention span of ADHD child.  Not to mention he contradicts himself constantly and can barely read.  Now they're either all lying (unlikely) or he really is a stupid fucking idiot.

He's a stupid fucking idiot.

 


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ErogenousZone - 15 Nov 2019 3:54 PM
Munrubenmuz - 15 Nov 2019 1:45 PM

It certainly has elements of buffoonery. 

Mate, I didn't mention your fricken "right to democracy" . You're the snowflake who "cried like a little bitch" that someone was denying your rights.  Who denied your "rights"?

The Democrats and the Left detest Trump, Him personally.  He don't play the sax like Clinton.  He don't shoot hoops or groove like Obama.

He's doing what Obama said he would.  He's pulling the US out of being the World's Policeman.

As for the economy, if it tanks its his fault.  If it booms it his doing.  That's how it works.  And its minority groups lie Blacks, Hispanics that lead the employment growth stats, with Hispanic women at the top.  He's added over half a million manufacturing jobs.

FFS, the reason why their employment growth is slowing is because they actually dont have ENOUGH people to fill the vacancies!

Look at the raw numbers and ignore the the spin from all sides.

The Left polarized the US and the West with their idiotic social engineering and there is no middle ground anymore.



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Burztur - 15 Nov 2019 7:49 PM
mouflonrouge - 15 Nov 2019 6:48 PM

I don’t think the forum is that polarised. 

There is a strong base for Trump from disenfranchised voters. The economy is doing well right now and he could very well retain power.

That is once again very flippant.

You said that his supporter base is disenfranchised. Might as well call them silly stupid people like all the other times.

Trump was voted for because he was an alternative to the establishment and the people needed a champion that would represent them rather than just give them jingoistic promises.

Yes the economy is doing well because Trump policies are actually not that bad. He has done a lot.

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mouflonrouge - 15 Nov 2019 6:48 PM
Burztur - 14 Nov 2019 8:28 PM

I can only acknowledge the difference between New York, LA and Chicago to the real America on the rust-belts.

That's the thing here isn't it. Everyone has abandoned the battler and the working class and also saying they are STUPID!

I don’t think the forum is that polarised. 

There is a strong base for Trump from disenfranchised voters. The economy is doing well right now and he could very well retain power.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 15 Nov 2019 6:18 PM
Munrubenmuz - 15 Nov 2019 1:45 PM

He has become more and more.. whats  the word?  Oh yes idiotic . Stef used to be ok until he went off the rails

Why? Because he rubs your noses in the obvious and tried to make you see reason from the clutches of Trump Derangement Syndrome?

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ErogenousZone - 15 Nov 2019 9:40 AM
Enzo Bearzot - 14 Nov 2019 9:59 PM

You're acting like a sensitive little bitch snowflake. Stop it.  

Politicians are not here to be venerated, if I want to rightfully call him a buffoon then I will.  We live in a democracy. 

No he has a good point.

Trump was the only POTUS to do as he says and place America first.

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Burztur - 14 Nov 2019 8:28 PM
mouflonrouge - 14 Nov 2019 1:07 PM

At least acknowledge the difference between north and south.

I can only acknowledge the difference between New York, LA and Chicago to the real America on the rust-belts.

That's the thing here isn't it. Everyone has abandoned the battler and the working class and also saying they are STUPID!

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ErogenousZone - 14 Nov 2019 4:09 PM
mouflonrouge - 14 Nov 2019 3:19 PM

Yeah, yeah I actually think he's been excellent for America.

He's still a bufoon though who needs to stop tweeting, it's embarassing.  

His tweets are fantastic because it bypasses the MSM (mainstream media) as a middle man.

What you read is authentic and it has paid off for Trump because millions of people monitor his tweets.

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Munrubenmuz - 15 Nov 2019 1:45 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 15 Nov 2019 1:25 PM

Quality discussion.

He has become more and more.. whats  the word?  Oh yes idiotic . Stef used to be ok until he went off the rails
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Munrubenmuz - 15 Nov 2019 1:45 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 15 Nov 2019 1:25 PM

Quality discussion.

It certainly has elements of buffoonery. 
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Enzo Bearzot - 15 Nov 2019 1:25 PM
ErogenousZone - 15 Nov 2019 9:40 AM

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Quality discussion.


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ErogenousZone - 15 Nov 2019 9:40 AM
Enzo Bearzot - 14 Nov 2019 9:59 PM

You're acting like a sensitive little bitch snowflake. Stop it.  

Politicians are not here to be venerated, if I want to rightfully call him a buffoon then I will.  We live in a democracy. 

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Enzo Bearzot - 14 Nov 2019 9:59 PM
Obama: "The US is not the world's policeman".  And does...nothing.

And the Left cheers the do-nothing Great Orator

Trump:  "America First".  And does it.

The Left:  "Buffoon!  Racist!"..where's my safe space?

You're acting like a sensitive little bitch snowflake. Stop it.  

Politicians are not here to be venerated, if I want to rightfully call him a buffoon then I will.  We live in a democracy. 
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Obama: "The US is not the world's policeman".  And does...nothing.

And the Left cheers the do-nothing Great Orator

Trump:  "America First".  And does it.

The Left:  "Buffoon!  Racist!"..where's my safe space?

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