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afromanGT wrote:
ITT: ricecrackers, in his shit attempt to troll labels anyone further left leaning than his right wing opinions to be communist and anyone further right wing than his already right wing opinions to be 'neo-nazi'.


ok so now your position is that Oleh Tyahnybok is not a neo nazi?



and these guys are harmless with opinions slightly more extreme than mine?


you're mentally ill
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what part of social national party dont you understand?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-National_Party_of_Ukraine

this party simply changed its name and did a rebranding exercise under Tyahnybok's guidance
their support is still the same
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ricecrackers wrote:
what part of social national party dont you understand?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-National_Party_of_Ukraine

this party simply changed its name and did a rebranding exercise under Tyahnybok's guidance
their support is still the same


You're vipers multi aren't you?

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https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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Holy shit massive world revelation that I think ricecrackers just realised- in conflict theres never the completely good one and the completely bad one. Its not as simple as fairytales tell us. Maybe finally he might start growing up.

And yet somehow as always I'm an idiot.

I'm an idiot because an unelected american official was photographed with an unelected Ukranian official.

Oh the humanity. Won't I ever think of the children?
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His idiocy is bellied by the claims he makes - the ultra-nationalists are collectively polling less than 3% in the upcoming federal election. There certainly is a fascist onslaught in Ukraine, but not the one you claim. Quite telling to see that the collective scum of Western European fascism have all expressed their wholesale support with Putin over the Ukraine question.

Keep peddling shit you fuckwit.

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inb4 ricecrackers posts to the effect of "afro's idiot friends come to his rescue".
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RedKat wrote:
Holy shit massive world revelation that I think ricecrackers just realised- in conflict theres never the completely good one and the completely bad one. Its not as simple as fairytales tell us. Maybe finally he might start growing up.


no sudden realisation to me, but for you the leftist idealist to tolerate this says a lot about your complete lack of principles
really sad actually that you'd sell your soul like that
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humbert wrote:
His idiocy is bellied by the claims he makes - the ultra-nationalists are collectively polling less than 3% in the upcoming federal election. There certainly is a fascist onslaught in Ukraine, but not the one you claim. Quite telling to see that the collective scum of Western European fascism have all expressed their wholesale support with Putin over the Ukraine question.

Keep peddling shit you fuckwit.

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they're polling less than 3% because the majority of Ukrainians hate these thugs
and yet the US and EU are supporting them
as well as you it would seem

but attack me, the messenger for your pride's sake

pathetic... you really are pathetic and also mentally ill
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afromanGT wrote:
inb4 ricecrackers posts to the effect of "afro's idiot friends come to his rescue".


i just see a whole lot of personal attacks without any substance
while the lot of you passively support this activity of western governments activity collaborating with neo nazis to overthrow democratically elected governments

ergo, it seems none of you actually believe in democracy and actually support violent extremists

I'd put the lot of you on a security watchlist

disgusting people with no morals
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ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
His idiocy is bellied by the claims he makes - the ultra-nationalists are collectively polling less than 3% in the upcoming federal election. There certainly is a fascist onslaught in Ukraine, but not the one you claim. Quite telling to see that the collective scum of Western European fascism have all expressed their wholesale support with Putin over the Ukraine question.

Keep peddling shit you fuckwit.

Edited by humbert: 16/5/2014 04:23:57 PM


they're polling less than 3% because the majority of Ukrainians hate these thugs
and yet the US and EU are supporting them
as well as you it would seem

but attack me, the messenger for your pride's sake

pathetic... you really are pathetic and also mentally ill


Support is an interim measure until elections are held. Elections which you and your ilk oppose because the results would categorically demolish your transparent delusions re. the fascist takeover of Ukraine.

That's the second time you've been caught in a lie. Keep racking them up.
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humbert wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
humbert wrote:
His idiocy is bellied by the claims he makes - the ultra-nationalists are collectively polling less than 3% in the upcoming federal election. There certainly is a fascist onslaught in Ukraine, but not the one you claim. Quite telling to see that the collective scum of Western European fascism have all expressed their wholesale support with Putin over the Ukraine question.

Keep peddling shit you fuckwit.

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they're polling less than 3% because the majority of Ukrainians hate these thugs
and yet the US and EU are supporting them
as well as you it would seem

but attack me, the messenger for your pride's sake

pathetic... you really are pathetic and also mentally ill


Support is an interim measure until elections are held. Elections which you and your ilk oppose because the results would categorically demolish your transparent delusions re. the fascist takeover of Ukraine.

That's the second time you've been caught in a lie. Keep racking them up.


now you're lying by accusing me of lying, not once but twice

when did i say anything about a fascist takeover? i didnt, because YOU ARE LYING

i did say that the US and other western interests have actively supported neo nazi thugs in the violent revolution that ousted a democratically elected government

but thats ok for you... all those people that have died...the blood on your hands...its fine for you isnt it

you sicken me
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You have openly expressed your support for the crackpot secessionists in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. You have engaged in repeated attempts to equivocate re. the nature of Euromaiden whilst deep-throating the Putin-RT-Black Hand line on the matter. You have lectured others as to the threat of fascism whilst staying conspicuously quiet when presented with open evidence of fascist-Russian imperialist conduct in Ukraine. You appear unable to grasp basic details namely that Yanukovich was impeached by an absolute majority of the Ukrainian parliament. You seem unable to grasp the ludicrous nature of your position; supporting an unelected government in Crimea, whilst decrying an interim government in Kiev. You have openly supported the Putin program, and yet have the gall to lecture others on the virtues of democratic governance.

You are a known quality. A clown, and a fraud.
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humbert wrote:
You have openly expressed your support for the crackpot secessionists in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. You have engaged in repeated attempts to equivocate re. the nature of Euromaiden whilst deep-throating the Putin-RT-Black Hand line on the matter. You have lectured others as to the threat of fascism whilst staying conspicuously quiet when presented with open evidence of fascist-Russian imperialist conduct in Ukraine. You appear unable to grasp basic details namely that Yanukovich was impeached by an absolute majority of the Ukrainian parliament. You seem unable to grasp the ludicrous nature of your position; supporting an unelected government in Crimea, whilst decrying an interim government in Kiev. You have openly supported the Putin program, and yet have the gall to lecture others on the virtues of democratic governance.

You are a known quality. A clown, and a fraud.


there is no evidence of fascist Russian imperialist conduct in Ukraine. none whatsoever.

Crimea was a democratic referendum which was purely reactionary to the violent revolution in Kiev started and funded by the US to the tune of 5 billion dollars with the support of Neo Nazi thugs

i've provided all the evidence. you've provided nothing but empty rhetoric and your complete ignorance mixed with arrogance. now Joe Biden's son is getting a piece of the action, but you've ignored that too.

you can insult me all you want but does not change the fact that you are placating neo-nazis... and you dont even have ignorance for your excuse any more because you've admitted its ok in the interim. you dont care about all the innocents who have died due to the violence.

where was the violence in Crimea? there was none because its what the people actually wanted, the majority.

how can you live with yourself? is it cognitive dissonance that allows you to sleep at night?

when presented with direct unequivocal evidence all you can do is attack me.

what is it in your brain that is wrong with you? I can only conclude mental illness at inability to process so much information that is in conflict with your preprogrammed idiocy

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furthermore Yanukovych supporters were bullied out of parliament in the lead up to his unconstitutional ousting. some have even since been murdered, but you're silent on that.

you disgust me

you have no understanding of the area at all. just a dopey keyboard warrior and hypocrite.
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Ukraine Banned Entry of 20,000 Russians Since Regime Change

© RIA Novosti. Aleksandr Mazurkevich
17:59 16/05/2014


KIEV, May 16 (RIA Novosti) – More than 20,000 Russians have been banned from entering Ukraine since March, a spokesman for the Ukrainian State Border Service’s said Friday.

“More than 200 radically minded citizens were also denied entry,” the UNIAN news agency quoted Sergei Astakhov as saying.

Following weeks of the so-called Maidan mass rallies, Ukraine underwent a regime change in February when the Ukrainian parliament backed by far-right movements ousted President Viktor Yanukovych, amended the country’s constitution and scheduled early elections for May 25.

Last month, Ukraine banned Russian males aged 16-60 from entering the country, with exceptions including men traveling with relatives who are women or children, or those who have documents confirming an invitation from close relatives or serious illness or death in the family.

The authorities in Kiev temporarily closed the border with Crimea on Monday. Russia’s largest airline Aeroflot has also announced it was canceling flights to Kharkiv in eastern Ukraine because it was denied permission to enter the country’s airspace.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the ban was outrageous and called the move on the part of the Ukrainian government “obviously discriminatory and unfriendly.”

The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry said earlier this month that Kiev has not changed the entry rules for Russian citizens, claiming it only stiffened control at border crossings.


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Ukraine, Russia and the United States at the brink

The neo-Nazi menace is real

By Brian Becker

May 7, 2014



Thirty-eight anti-fascist activists were murdered when a neo-Nazi militia set fire to a trade union building into which they had fled


Are we moving to civil war in Ukraine? Russia is trying to prevent such a catastrophe. A civil war in Ukraine would invariably draw into the conflict the United States and its NATO allies on the side of the right-wing Ukraine government that seized power in a U.S.-backed coup d’état on Feb. 22 and Russia on the other.

Since the United States and Russia both possess large nuclear arsenals that, if used, would lead to the deaths of many millions of people, it would seem impossible to overstate the potential danger of this newest military crisis. Yet, U.S. elected officials including the White House and Congress seem glibly unfazed by the far-reaching potential consequences caused by their own foolhardy and arrogant interventionist actions in Ukraine. This includes their actions between November and the Feb. 22 coup and in their subsequent “tough stance” against Russia for its refusal to accept the half-fascist coup government in Kiev.

The majority sentiment in the United States, according to most public opinion polls, is decidedly opposed to an escalation of the crisis by the U.S. government. That sentiment has been ignored as the White House has dispatched war planes and troops to the region, imposed new sanctions on Russia, and dispatched first Joseph Biden and then FBI agents and CIA Director John Brennan to Kiev to help the new government set up an internal security apparatus.

The fascist menace is real

The full U.S. embrace of the coup government in Kiev has emboldened it to launch a military offensive against its political opponents in eastern and southern Ukrainian cities. The fascist militias from the Right Sector, whose leaders occupy key positions in the new Ukrainian government, are so emboldened by the U.S. support that they openly murdered 38 political activists in the Black Sea port city of Odessa on May 2 by attacking their tent encampment outside of a trade union headquarters building and, after they fled into the building for protection, torching the structure. While the trapped activists were incinerated, the neo-Nazis sang songs and chanted taunts against Vladimir Putin.

Ukraine’s acting Interior Minister Avakov announced on May 6 that Ukraine’s military offensive in southern and eastern cities led to the death of 30 more anti-fascist activists, labeled “terrorists” by the U.S.-backed government.

The U.S. media and the Obama administration are assisting the government in Kiev in maintaining the fiction that those in Ukraine who oppose the government are strictly puppets of Putin and Russia. They claim that the protests and demands to vote in a referendum about the status of the eastern and southern regions are simply a Russian manipulation.

The dominant narrative in the media, following the line of the Obama administration, is that Russia's agitation in defense of the Russian-speaking people in eastern and southern Ukraine is just fake propaganda, that there is no threat to Russians, Jews and other minority peoples from the new central government. They assert that there is no fascist menace and that Russian state media has created a caricature of Ukraine's “pro-European” government merely as a pretext for Russia to separate that part of Ukraine and annex the region into Russia.

The massacre in Odessa, however, gives the clearest evidence of the role of re-born fascism in the unfolding struggle in Ukraine.

Journalist Robert Parry, a former Associated Press reporter now with Consortium News, has produced some of the most objective analysis of the Ukraine struggle. He published another excellent piece May 5 about the rising tide of neo-Nazi mobilization in Ukraine and the refusal by both U.S officials and the mainstream media to cover its significance.

Parry, who played a major role in examining and exposing the Iran-Contra scandal of the Reagan administration in the 1980s, put the Odessa massacre in context:

“This brutal Nazism surfaced again on Friday when right-wing toughs in Odessa attacked an encampment of ethnic Russian protesters driving them into a trade union building which was then set on fire with Molotov cocktails. As the building was engulfed in flames, some people who tried to flee were chased and beaten, while those trapped inside heard the Ukrainian nationalists liken them to black-and-red-striped potato beetles called Colorados, because those colors are used in pro-Russian ribbons.

“Burn, Colorado, burn” went the chant.

“As the fire worsened, those dying inside were serenaded with the taunting singing of the Ukrainian national anthem. The building also was spray-painted with Swastika-like symbols and graffiti reading “Galician SS,” a reference to the Ukrainian nationalist army that fought alongside the German Nazi SS in World War II, killing Russians on the eastern front.

“The death by fire of dozens of people in Odessa recalled a World War II incident in 1944 when elements of a Galician SS police regiment took part in the massacre of the Polish village of Huta Pieniacka, which had been a refuge for Jews and was protected by Russian and Polish partisans. Attacked by a mixed force of Ukrainian police and German soldiers on Feb. 28, hundreds of townspeople were massacred, including many locked in barns that were set ablaze.

“The legacy of World War II – especially the bitter fight between Ukrainian nationalists from the west and ethnic Russians from the east seven decades ago – is never far from the surface in Ukrainian politics. One of the heroes celebrated during the Maidan protests in Kiev was Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera, whose name was honored in many banners including one on a podium where Sen. John McCain voiced support for the uprising to oust elected President Viktor Yanukovych, whose political base was in eastern Ukraine.

“During World War II, Bandera headed the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists-B, a radical paramilitary movement that sought to transform Ukraine into a racially pure state. OUN-B took part in the expulsion and extermination of thousands of Jews and Poles.

“Though most of the Maidan protesters in 2013-14 appeared motivated by anger over political corruption and by a desire to join the European Union, neo-Nazis made up a significant number. These storm troopers from the Right Sektor and Svoboda party decked out some of the occupied government buildings with Nazi insignias and even a Confederate battle flag, the universal symbol of white supremacy.” Read the whole article on Consortium News

What Obama, McCain, the CIA and Pentagon want in Ukraine

Wars do not necessarily start because the principal antagonists desire war. President Obama acknowledged to the media Russia’s opposition to a new war, with a provocative barb: "They’re not interested in any kind of military confrontation with us, understanding that our conventional forces are significantly superior to the Russians. We don’t need a war."

In this case, neither the United States nor Russia wants to go to war with each other. The U.S. goal is not war with Russia but regime change in Ukraine with the goal of absorbing all of Ukraine into a U.S.-dominated sphere of influence and eventually establishing Ukraine as a NATO country on Russia’s border.

Viktor Yanukovych, Ukraine’s president who was ousted by the Feb. 22 coup d’etat, wanted to integrate Ukraine into an economic arrangement with the European powers but publicly opposed Ukraine joining NATO. He sought a balanced relationship between Russia and the EU countries. The anti-government protests in downtown Kiev began in November 2013 on the day Yanukovych rejected an ultimatum from the EU that would have imposed a harsh austerity program on Ukraine as a requirement to get new financing from the IMF and Western bankers. He was thus labeled as “pro-Russian” by the Western media.

The anti-government “pro-Europe” protest movement that started in Kiev was an eclectic mix of right-wing, centrist and some left-wing opposition to Yanukovych's government. The movement grew with the active and vigorous support from Republicans and Democrats in Congress and the White House and from the EU countries. The imperialist backers of regime change in Ukraine turned a blind eye as the movement quickly came under the leadership of neo-Nazi parties that are virulently anti-Russian.

The February 21 Agreement – and the fascist-led coup

Under extreme pressure, Yanukovych agreed to meet with opposition leaders and sign an agreement, what became known as the February 21 Agreement, to end the crisis by making significant concessions to the demands of the right-wing opposition that were in turn supported by the United States and the EU powers.

The February 21 Agreement between Yanukovych and the opposition was signed in the presence of the foreign ministers of Germany, France and Poland and a special envoy from Russia, Vladimir Lukin.

The February 21 Agreement guaranteed early presidential elections, included a diminution of the constitutional authority of the office of the president, and provided a basis for ending violence from both the government side and the armed protesters.

The agreement read in part: “Both parties will undertake serious efforts for the normalisation of life in the cities and villages by withdrawing from administrative and public buildings and unblocking streets, city parks and squares. Illegal weapons should be handed over to the Ministry of Interior bodies within 24 hours of the special law, referred to in point 1 hereof, coming into force. After the aforementioned period, all cases of illegal carrying and storage of weapons will fall under the law of Ukraine. The forces of authorities and of the opposition will step back from confrontational posture. The Government will use law enforcement forces exclusively for the physical protection of public buildings.”

The day after the February 21 Agreement was signed, the fascist-led militias violated the agreement by storming the presidential palace and the Parliament building. In a hastily-called rump session of the Parliament they declared a new government and neo-Nazis took five of the 11 cabinet posts of the coup government including the Defense Ministry.

When the fascists scrapped the February 21 Agreement by their armed takeover of government buildings on Feb. 22, the U.S. State Department could not conceal their wild exuberance.

Putin’s orientation

The Putin government in Russia was stunned by the reckless and wildly aggressive support given by the United States to an armed and fascist-led coup toppling the government of Russia’s most populous neighbor, a country that was a strategic and historic ally of Russia.

Ukraine has nearly 46 million people and was historically one with Russia as the largest non-Russian republic in the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics until the dissolution of the USSR in 1991. The Crimean Peninsula was the home of the Soviet Union’s largest naval base and remained a Russian naval base after the dissolution of the Soviet Union based on a leasing arrangement between Ukraine and Russia. The absorption of all of Ukraine into NATO would inevitably have ousted Russia from its largest naval base.

Since the scrapping of the February 21 Agreement, the struggle has entered a new and highly dangerous phase. Putin has been searching for a way to blunt and mitigate the U.S.-backed offensive in Ukraine while simultaneously looking for a way find a settlement before a larger crisis fully emerges.

The speed of events is breathtaking. Crimea held a Russian-supported referendum that voted to affiliate with Russia. Other eastern and southern cities are mobilizing in opposition to the U.S.-backed regime in Kiev. Fascist militias are hitting back with a campaign of terror and murder. NATO is sending troops, equipment and fighter aircraft into the region. Even as the confrontation grows and assumes a life of its own that could lead to an even greater struggle, the U.S. government and media continue with their smug arrogance. They approach the brink and no one in authority demands a pause and a sober evaluation of where this all ends.

The position today of the Russian Federation is to end the growing confrontation in Ukraine by going back to the February 21 Agreement, which would invalidate the legitimacy of the new semi-fascist coup government and reorganize nationwide elections following the end of the escalating armed confrontations initiated by Ukraine’s military in concert with armed attacks by the Right Sector militias. This position seems eminently reasonable. But it got no quarter in Washington where those who have become drunk with power demand that Russia and all others in the world accept their fate and simply bow and genuflect before the Empire.

Far from aggressively seeking to expand Russia’s power, Putin’s actions have been essentially defensive. His policy has centered on securing the Crimea from a NATO takeover and mitigating the Ukrainian offensive against the pro-Russian Eastern cities. Russia is not the driving force in the protests taking place in the south and east of Ukraine.

Fearing the recklessness of the U.S. and aware that some of the principal U.S. partners in NATO, and in particular Germany, are seeking for a way out of the crisis that Washington has been accelerating, Putin is emphasizing extreme prudence. Even now (as of May 7) he has announced that Russia has pulled its military forces back from its western border with Ukraine. He has also given a nod of approval to the May 25 elections in Ukraine that are being organized by the coup government in Kiev, reversing Russia’s official position from a few days earlier. Putin has now called for the eastern and southern cities' referendum on their “status” within Ukraine to be postponed.

The next days will be of critical importance. Anti-fascist forces in Ukraine’s eastern and southern cities have felt the groundswell of support from Russia and the Russian people. They represent a real, indigenous political force that exists within Ukraine.

Some favor autonomy from Kiev but want to remain inside of Ukraine. Others want the area to be part of Russia. What unites them is their fear and hatred of the semi-fascist coup government in Kiev and the ultra-nationalist Ukrainian militias. They are not puppets of Putin or Russia, but the policy orientation of the Putin Administration cannot but have an impact on their struggle to defend their cities and towns.


http://www.pslweb.org/liberationnews/news/ukraine-russia-at-the-brink-fascist-menace.html
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Ukraine is being kidnapped right in front of us

By Ruairidh Duncan | May 16,2014 |

Today we’ve heard that the Eastern Ukrainian Oblast of Donetsk have announced that their people have voted for their Oblasts to самостоятельность , meaning to “stand by oneself”. The question can be interpreted to mean either independence or broad autonomy, the intentional ambiguity has been a source of contention between officials in Donetsk and Kiev.

A similar vote was taken in the neighbouring Luhansk region with an almost identical response; 96 percent of those who turned out supported “federalisation”, again intentionally ambiguous both questions are being used as justification for seeking a union with Russia.

The result is nothing surprising really, the new authorities in Donetsk and Luhansk have conducted an extensive campaign of intimidation against the opposition.

The ubiquitous “little green men” or the strangely well-equipped pro-Russian gunmen have interred the small number of those who support the administration in Kiev and were brave enough to take to the streets and intimidating those who dared to vote in the referendum.

Journalists are not immune from such measures, the international Business times has compiled a list of seven journalists known to have been taken captive in Eastern Ukraine and there have been unconfirmed reports of two journalists having been found dead.

Among the captured was the Vice Journalist Simon Ostrovsky who was held for three days for “spreading the lies of the Kiev Junta” in his reports.

“Ukraine is being kidnapped”

I don’t think any statement could summarise the situation better here, the separatists are kidnapping the Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts. Pavel Gubarev, the self proclaimed People’s Governor has a curtain of disinformation and lies keeping the people of Donetsk from realising the crime being committed in front of their eyes.

Orchestrating disappearances and intimidation ensure that no-one wakes up and smells the ashes, notice that their nationality, their homes and their way of life are being stolen.

“Bought and sold for Russian gold”

To paraphrase Robert Burns The East of Ukraine has indeed been “Bought and sold for Russian gold”. While the Russian Premier Mr Putin has publicly warned the Pro-Russians against holding the controversial referendum it cannot be said that Russia doesn’t have vested interests here.

Much of the east and south of Ukraine is part of what was once Novorossiya, or New Russia, notably the Crimean peninsula as well as the Donetsk Oblast and a large section of the Luhansk Oblast. Mr Putin claims this land as “essentially Russian” based on it’s high percentage of ethnic Russians inhabitants and it being part of Russia until the formation of the Soviet Union.

Territorial claims are something of a speciality of Putin’s, one of his first acts in office was the invasion and capture of Chechnya in 1999 and the suppression of the insurgency there, while his protégé Dimitry Mendev spearheaded the Russo-Georgian war of 2008. With such a keen interest in expansionism it is no surprise that Russia is not passing up this opportunity to gain territory.

But maybe I’m being unfair to the Pro-Russian factions here, there are many who have legitimate reasons to dislike the government in Kiev. Many in the East have suffered from the corruption and the greed of previous Ukrainian governments.

In the Donetsk Oblast many towns have crumbled since the fall of the Soviet Union, once thriving communities turned to ghost towns overnight with many trapped in the crumbling monotone of decay, abandoned by governments more interested in lining their own pockets than helping them.

Putin's self-restraint

There certainly are some double standards here, the Euromaidan protesters like the Pro-Russians took control of government buildings in Kiev. Instead of almost universal condemnation however the Euromaidan protestors were praised by European and American officials, for doing essentially the same thing, as such it is easy to feel some sympathy for them.

Regardless, such ordinary people are mere pawns here, while the men on the streets may seem to be in control the future of the East is - again - in the hands of the elite, the oligarchs and tycoons who can be safely relied upon to put themselves first.

What they will decide on is however unclear, while Putin is interested in having Novorossiya he fears a western backlash should he do so. While it is generally agreed that Russian and Nato troops cannot operate in close proximity to avoid a Pristina Airport style incident the possibility of economic sanctions remains.

Putin is showing measured restraint with regards to the referendum, while he supported a similar vote in Crimea he urged the revolutionary authorities of Donetsk and Luhansk to postpone the referendum.

On hearing it’s results his only statement was that he hoped that it was implemented in a “civilised manner.” His concern is justified, the Russian economy is still weak after it’s recovery from the deep recession after the fall of the Soviet Union and- more importantly for Putin – recovering it’s position as a world power. Economic sanctions could bugger that all up in rather short order.

So if Putin doesn’t accept Eastern Ukraine into Russian then what? The Ukrainian military is already deployed in Eastern Ukraine pushing back the rebels. Videos are already circulating of Ukrainian armoured vehicles smashing through rebel checkpoints near Donetsk, It is possible that the Ukrainian army may simply sieze the Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts and peacefully resolve the situation.

But history suggests that things will not be that simple, ethnic conflict in Eastern Europe has a history of permeating and dividing the generations. I fear that the region may be consigned to the fate of Transnistria.

Considered the last bastion of the Soviet Union Transnistria is in a limbo as an unrecognised state. With an economy based on smuggling and gunrunning the super-presidentialist state could be described as the most backward in Europe.

But no matter what allegiances they hold these next few weeks will be a tense time for all Ukrainians. The chain of events will define all of their lives.

What do you think? Have your say in the comments section below.

Image: Viktor Dashkiyeff (CC)
http://www.kettlemag.co.uk/article/ukraine-being-kidnapped-right-front-us
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Putin doesnt want Ukraine
its economy is shot, it has a large population, it would only be an economic burden on Russia
Crimea was already being leased by Russia under the old Ukraine govt, now they'll get it rent free.

Russia's interest was primarily because it contained one of their most important warm water naval bases and this, its personnel and the people of the region had been threatened by the violent coup.

it is unlikely the new Ukraine regime would have continued its support for the Crimean base.

the people of Eastern Ukraine are acting independently of Russian endorsement. the poll is not a referendum, just a poll. it will have no legal binding.


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The Farce Is Complete: Joe Biden's Son Joins Board Of Largest Ukraine Gas Producer

Burisma Holdings, Ukraine’s largest private gas producer, has expanded its Board of Directors by bringing on Mr. R Hunter Biden as a new director.

R. Hunter Biden will be in charge of the Holdings’ legal unit and will provide support for the Company among international organizations. On his new appointment, he commented: “Burisma’s track record of innovations and industry leadership in the field of natural gas means that it can be a strong driver of a strong economy in Ukraine. As a new member of the Board, I believe that my assistance in consulting the Company on matters of transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international expansion and other priorities will contribute to the economy and benefit the people of Ukraine.”

The Chairman of the Board of Directors of Burisma Holdings, Mr. Alan Apter, noted: “The company’s strategy is aimed at the strongest concentration of professional staff and the introduction of best corporate practices, and we’re delighted that Mr. Biden is joining us to help us achieve these goals.”

R. Hunter Biden is a counsel to Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP, a national law firm based in New York, USA, which served in cases including “Bush vs. Gore”, and “U.S. vs. Microsoft”. He is one of the co-founders and a managing partner of the investment advisory company Rosemont Seneca Partners, as well as chairman of the board of Rosemont Seneca Advisors. He is an Adjunct Professor at Georgetown University’s Masters Program in the School of Foreign Service.

Mr. Biden has experience in public service and foreign policy. He is a director for the U.S. Global Leadership Coalition, The Center for National Policy, and the Chairman’s Advisory Board for the National Democratic Institute. Having served as a Senior Vice President at MBNA bank, former U.S. President Bill Clinton appointed him an Executive Director of E-Commerce Policy Coordination under Secretary of Commerce William Daley. Mr. Biden served as Honorary Co-Chair of the 2008 Obama-Biden Inaugural Committee.

Mr. Biden is a member of the bar in the State of Connecticut, and the District of Columbia, the U.S. Supreme Court, and the Court of Federal Claims. He received a Bachelor’s degree from Georgetown University, and a J.D. from Yale Law School.

R. Hunter Biden is also a well-known public figure. He is chairman of the Board of the World Food Programme U.S.A., together with the world’s largest humanitarian organization, the United Nations World Food Programme. In this capacity he offers assistance to the poor in developing countries, fighting hunger and poverty, and helping to provide food and education to 300 million malnourished children around the world.

Company Background:
Burisma Holdings is a privately owned oil and gas company with assets in Ukraine and operating in the energy market since 2002. To date, the company holds a portfolio with permits to develop fields in the Dnieper-Donets, the Carpathian and the Azov-Kuban basins. In 2013, the daily gas production grew steadily and at year-end amounted to 11.6 thousand BOE (barrels of oil equivalent – incl. gas, condensate and crude oil), or 1.8 million m3 of natural gas. The company sells these volumes in the domestic market through traders, as well as directly to final consumers."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/farce-complete-joe-bidens-son-joins-board-largest-ukraine-gas-producer


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yes, i posted that yesterday
they're all getting their piece of the spoils
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ricecrackers wrote:
Putin doesnt want Ukraine
its economy is shot, it has a large population, it would only be an economic burden on Russia
Crimea was already being leased by Russia under the old Ukraine govt, now they'll get it rent free.

Russia's interest was primarily because it contained one of their most important warm water naval bases and this, its personnel and the people of the region had been threatened by the violent coup.

it is unlikely the new Ukraine regime would have continued its support for the Crimean base.

the people of Eastern Ukraine are acting independently of Russian endorsement. the poll is not a referendum, just a poll. it will have no legal binding.


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Thank you for obliging.

1 - the entirety of 'Crimea' was never leased to Russia. The lease specifically pertained to the base and immediate surroundings. Crimea is, and always will be, Ukrainian sovereign territory. - Lie no. 1.
2 - There was no threat whatsoever to Russia's Black Sea Fleet. One of the first acts of the interim government was to confirm a 40 year extension on the lease. - Lie no. 2.
3 - Laughable suggestion that the insurrection in Eastern Ukraine has nothing to do with Russia. Documented evidence has long established that Russian provocatuers, among whom some are interior ministry forces, are the driving force in Eastern Ukraine. - Lie no. 3.


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Whose multi is this btw?
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humbert wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Putin doesnt want Ukraine
its economy is shot, it has a large population, it would only be an economic burden on Russia
Crimea was already being leased by Russia under the old Ukraine govt, now they'll get it rent free.

Russia's interest was primarily because it contained one of their most important warm water naval bases and this, its personnel and the people of the region had been threatened by the violent coup.

it is unlikely the new Ukraine regime would have continued its support for the Crimean base.

the people of Eastern Ukraine are acting independently of Russian endorsement. the poll is not a referendum, just a poll. it will have no legal binding.


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Thank you for obliging.

1 - the entirety of 'Crimea' was never leased to Russia. The lease specifically pertained to the base and immediate surroundings. Crimea is, and always will be, Ukrainian sovereign territory. - Lie no. 1.
2 - There was no threat whatsoever to Russia's Black Sea Fleet. One of the first acts of the interim government was to confirm a 40 year extension on the lease. - Lie no. 2.
3 - Laughable suggestion that the insurrection in Eastern Ukraine has nothing to do with Russia. Documented evidence has long established that Russian provocatuers, among whom some are interior ministry forces, are the driving force in Eastern Ukraine. - Lie no. 3.



1. Crimea was part of Russia until 1954 and part of the Soviet Union until 1991. it was only gifted to Ukraine because Krushchev was an ethnic Ukrainian who believed the Soviet Union would never fall.
so it is you who are lying. whats more you're a lying hypocrite
2. evidence?????????????
3. evidence? "documented evidence"? you mean western propaganda
4. you're mentally ill as you continue to attack me personally whilst placating neo nazis

again you have no understanding or knowledge of the region. you're just parroting news reports.
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still waiting on your evidence to back up your claims Humbug
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ricecrackers wrote:
still waiting on your evidence to back up your claims Humbug


I don't feel particularly obligated to point out the obvious. You would do well to know that the lease was extended in 2010, and confirmed by the interim administration. Crimea is legally, constitutionally, and morally, a part of Ukraine, a fact accepted by the United Nations, Ukraine, and the Russians until recently. As to the matter of Russian collusion in Eastern Ukraine, you have already been confronted with evidence re. the presence of Russian provocateurs in Ukraine, and chose to ignore it. As I shall do to you wholesale.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/mar/20/fascism-russia-and-ukraine/
http://time.com/95898/wolves-hundred-ukraine-russia-cossack/
http://weaselzippers.us/182908-report-russian-paramilitary-leaders-in-eastern-ukraine-caught-on-tape-communicating-with-moscow/
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/russia-staged-referendums-in-east-ukraine-2014-5
http://ukrainianpolicy.com/sbu-audio-links-donetsk-republic-to-russian-involvement/
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117048/crimean-referendum-was-electoral-farce
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-serbian-paramilitaries-join-pro-russian-forces-in-ukraine-s-crimea-1969318 - gratifying to see the presence of Serb chetniks in Russian formations
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/03/25/7020243/


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humbert wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
still waiting on your evidence to back up your claims Humbug


[size=9]I don't feel particularly obligated to point out the obvious. You would do well to know that the lease was extended in 2010[/size], and confirmed by the interim administration. Crimea is legally, constitutionally, and morally, a part of Ukraine, a fact accepted by the United Nations, Ukraine, and the Russians until recently. As to the matter of Russian collusion in Eastern Ukraine, you have already been confronted with evidence re. the presence of Russian provocateurs in Ukraine, and chose to ignore it. As I shall do to you wholesale.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/mar/20/fascism-russia-and-ukraine/
http://time.com/95898/wolves-hundred-ukraine-russia-cossack/
http://weaselzippers.us/182908-report-russian-paramilitary-leaders-in-eastern-ukraine-caught-on-tape-communicating-with-moscow/
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/russia-staged-referendums-in-east-ukraine-2014-5
http://ukrainianpolicy.com/sbu-audio-links-donetsk-republic-to-russian-involvement/
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117048/crimean-referendum-was-electoral-farce
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-serbian-paramilitaries-join-pro-russian-forces-in-ukraine-s-crimea-1969318 - gratifying to see the presence of Serb chetniks in Russian formations
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/03/25/7020243/



lol at your backpedal
that was under Yanukovych you loon

you dont feel particularly obliged now? GTFO of here you pimply child

and lol at your 'sources'
even Pravda...Russians dont even take that seriously

and you finish it off with a childish internet meme.

go back to playing video games
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2 - There was no threat whatsoever to Russia's Black Sea Fleet. One of the first acts of the interim government was to confirm a 40 year extension on the lease. - Lie no. 2.

Seeing as you evidently can't read, the meme should make it easier for you.
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humbert wrote:
2 - There was no threat whatsoever to Russia's Black Sea Fleet. One of the first acts of the interim government was to confirm a 40 year extension on the lease. - Lie no. 2.

Seeing as you evidently can't read, the meme should make it easier for you.


its not an act of anything you moron
seriously just stop
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Just saw a news report on Al Jazeera that said over half the population of South Sudan will be either displaced, starving or dead in the next 12 months. South Sudan has a population of roughly 8.5 million.
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