I don't know how many times you've been corrected on this matter. There is a difference between transfer fees and training compensation.



Players over 25 will still be allowed, but the rules will make it that there will be less incentive to keep over 25s who aren't worth it in comparison to younger players. And if your team has a player over 25 that has been in your system for several years, or was part of your youth system, the penalties become almost negligible. If anything, this suits a club like Knights who have a strong track record of producing and promoting their own players.

Actually - I'm not suggesting that it would be hard to get to the top - simply that clubs have opted not to be a part of the system to save money on travel expenses, etc., so shouldn't be given a helping hand now by being given automatic entry at the top end simply to satisfy a geographic model. Earn your place is what I'm saying - and that's exactly what North Geelong, Ballarat and Morwell are looking to do. It would be fantastic, for example, if Shepparton United and Cobram Victory were to join the state league system and use some of that farming money to mount a legitimate challenge.

Unlikely to be an issue - PFA will mount a challenge to the player points system before it becomes 'law'.

There are a lot of obsticles and hurdles at present with the NCR Framework, for Knights its fine as we have our own ground but others dont. Local councils have put up a protest in melbourne that if clubs join this new league it will be without their backing. These clubs are not open to the general public but a select few who can afford the 2,500 plus per child needed to sustain these clubs. And hence turning their backs on the broader community and if a gifted kid wanted to play in one of these clubs he cant as mum and dad cant afford the fees, and thats why 11 of the 12 clubs in the VPL wont no part of this comp as 99% of them play on council properties and cant do any redevelopments without council blessing.

Indeed - the bar is set way too high for mass entry. SMFC questioned the FFV on the numbers and pointed out that the FFV's model included something like $15k to hire someone to run the whole program. FFV weren't able to explain how a part-time, casual coach was supposed to do everything that is required. SMFC then set up a 'Rolls-Royce' version of the program - everything that is required and more, to deliberately set themselves up as the best on the market... And the FFV are (allegedly) pissed off that the club is charging top dollar (even though they acknowledge that participants will get value for money).

At the moment south are blowing their own trumpet and angering their fellow clubs. When Sth Melb stops going on their own road and gets back to the fold with the other VPL clubs then and only then can the Elite Comp talk start. At present their the only ones in the comp.That means their snr's and rezi's can play against each other every week as no other clubs will be involved as it stands at present.

Their should be no age restrictions. It sounds like a power trip. The fact the FFA are stepping into age matter is stupid. The Knight should be congratulated for this one.

I'm really confused with how this will work in general. A lot of clubs will need a decent stadium. At present many clubs are shit little paddocks. No terrace or fan culture and no support from the local businesses or advertising. Does anyone know how they will go about fixing this. Would love clubs like Sth and MK bringing in 5K. It should be a 16 team comp in Victoria as many clubs in Melbourne have their own support.

Dont get me wrong i like the idea behind this comp.But as it stands at present there is only 1 club pushing for inclusion ( Sth Melb ) and all the rest totally against it unless changes are made. Ideally you would have 6 from regional areas,Ballarat,Bendigo,Geelong,Sheperton,Morwell and Aubury/Wodonga + 6 From Melb 2 from west 2 from north and 2 from east. The costs will be high and i just hope the FFV/FFA will be sharing the burden instead of only the clubs being slugged with all the costs.

Soooo - the club takes the FFA's blueprint and supports it, then takes the FFV's proposal and supports it, then establishes and elite program designed on the FFA & FFV's guidelines - fully supporting the local and national governing bodies... And somehow we are still doing it wrong?

The other sides can agitate as much as they like, and they can get the changes they want, and South will adapt their system to fit whatever eventuates - but we will be doing it from a position of power (cutting our ambitious program to suit requirements) rather than out of desperation to save costs.

For the record, I completely agree that the system is wrong and both the FFA and FFV have set out to create a system which is essentially unsustainable... I also agree with South's decision to take the high ground, meet the challenge head on, and establish themselves as the elite facility in the system.

With the costs of competing in the APL high the clubs will need to bring in support from the local communities to get a following (I presume). With this in mind a lot of clubs will need an upgrade.Catch 22. Some decent size stadiums:

SA:
Adelaide City Park
Kingston Gardens

Queensland:
Spencer Park
Luxury Paints Stadium
Perry Park

NSW:
Lambart Park
Seiffert Oval (Perfect for regional football)
Marconi Stadium
Adamstown Oval (Newcastle)
North Sydney Oval
Melita Stadium
Penrith Stadium
St. George Stadium
Belmore Sports Ground
Sydney United Sports Centre
John Crehan Park (Wollongong)
Wollongong Showground
Jubilee Oval (Wollongong)

Vic:
Victoria Park (No actual tenants)
Green Gull Reserve (Can be upgraded)
Olympic Village
Knights Stadium
Esther Park (Needs to be upgraded)
LaTrobe City stadium (Morwell)
B.T. Connor Reserve
Lakeside Stadium

WA:

ACT:
Canberra Stadium

Tas:

NT:

Will fill out the rest later. Its 12:30.

The FFV NCR documents suggest that there will be up to 24 teams entering the FFV Elite competition.
The 24 places broken up as follows;
2 places for A-League Franchises
6 places for regional teams
16 places for Metropolitan teams with two teams per metropolitan Zone.

The FFV and FFA suggest costs will decrease due to the PPS though we may have to wait for the PFA's opinion on this first.

It all depends who gets in Metro areas the favourites I have listed below;

Southern Zone; Dandenong City, Dandenong Thunder, Casey Comets, or Frankston Pines
Northern; Heidelberg, Northcote, Whittlesea Ranges
Eastern; Oakliegh, no other team has the resources in this Zone
Western;Altona Magic,Green Gully, Knights, StAlbans, Sun Geo Cross, Werribee, Western Suburbs
Central; South Melbourne, Richmond
South East; Bentliegh Greens, talk of a consortium with Brighton/Sandringham/Beaumaris
North West;Hume City, Moreland Youth, Pascoe Vale, Fawkner
North East; Bulleen, Box Hill

Not much point in upgrading a stadium if they can't fill their current one. Covering travel costs will be the number one objective of the clubs to survive in this competition. This will still be a semi pro competition after all.

You guys still dont get it, all these above clubs apart from Sth Melb would rather remain in a community league then join the comp as it stands. Not one of these clubs want to give up on their juniors thats 1 sticky point, another is they dont want heart and victorys youth teams playing in the comp and the biggest hurdle is getting their councils blessings for upgrades. As it stands at present, no club will receive council blessings the way this NCR Framework stands not 1 club. All these clubs the way their mentioned are closed shops private academies so to speak , destined only for those who can afford to bring their kids there, and there you have your stumbling block with councils not just in victoria but right around the country once you close it off to a select few your not a community club anymore but a closed shop which in turn means no council moneys or any redevelopments of grounds without council support. This whole NCR thing is a big joke, No council in Australia anywhere will support it unless a lot of changes are made to it. And if FFA and all the rest of the Feds want this to go ahead well mabe they need to start acquiring land and start building stadiums on them and funding all the works from that 360 million dollar nest egg. Because as it stands if the councils are not behind it then its not going ahead. Sorry for my anger but most of these guys who helped draw this Framework up ment the right thing, but sometimes dreams dont come into fruitation and geez lots of them were dreaming really hard.

Edited by Gabgabgab39: 6/1/2013 12:11:53 PM

The point of me posting the stadium information is that if we were to get a cup comp going some of these stadiums need serious upgrading. If the APL were to be taken seriously and want more ACL spots and better facilities as an Asian powerhouse this needs to happen one way or another.

And fwiw Carlton use the facilities at Princes Park. Collingwood train at Victoria park and use the old Olympic Park as their admin base.

One way or another the FFA need to get their shit sorted and invest in the lower leagues and start promoting them to the wider communities.

Edited by theselectfew: 6/1/2013 01:30:58 PM

At last now your getting it. They the FFA with all the other federations need to go out to all those councils and hold talks with them, and put their point across as to why this is the best step for football in this country and tell councils that they the FFA are willing to put their hands in their pockets and help with redevelopments. As if thats ever going to happen!!lol

Football has restructured the unquestionably faulty NSL. This is the next step after the basic franchise model. People who think promo rele won't work have not evaluated the options and are stuck in a one dimensional world.

Like ive said all along im all for change for the better of football in this country but not this NCR framework well not the way it is at present.
Thats not bettering football here its just going out of reach of the common man to the almighty rich. And thats sad sad sad. Tell that 13 yr old who is the best in the region and whose parents cant afford $500 let alone 2,500 or more why he cant play? And thats exactly what will happen the talented kids will miss out fact.

While I understand your apprehension about the NCR you have chosen the wrong battlefield and reasons to attack it. Council interest and facilities is not the way to go.

I would be looking at issues such as;
A lack of suitably qualified coaches.
The costs that go with a shortage of qualified coaches.
The attempt to create a one size fits all coaching system.
Restriction of player movement from juniors to Seniors.
The end of the promotion relegation system at the elite level.
The seperation of "Elite" Clubs from "Community" Clubs and the support issues this generates.
The attempt to manufacture a "Sameness" across coaching, club development, coaching development, club operations. ie wether you're playing for the South Melbourne or Melbourne Knights the experience and service you receive will be the standardised, the same, hence there will be little need for players to change Clubs
That no research has been done about COMMERCIAL VIABILITY
That no market research has been done as to what the fans want.

This is what you should be raging against do some more research and get back to me.

Edited by Arthur: 6/1/2013 11:04:28 PM

Well the FFA and its member State Federations have been working towards this Cro69.

You probably didn't know that a national facilities audit has been completed and negotiations for funding Federally and at State level is in place.
You probably don't know that the FFV has people in place and a department to assist with developing facility plans and working with local and State Government.

Could you explain what you mean with that highlighted sentence?

That is the right procedures are followed and the proper institutions are installed it wouldn't be an issue. Need community engagement. That simple.

Sorry mate you lost me.

Edited by Arthur: 7/1/2013 12:04:41 AM

One more addition to Arthur's comment on the FFA's masterplan that all clubs will have the same coaching structure teaching from the same coaching manual... Long term, this is a recipe for disaster for the game in Australia.

This concept doesn't take into account that the Dutch youths who learn under the system still get to play against teams that use different systems (because the Dutch don't mandate how you play, nor do they limit themselves to games against only Dutch teams - it's very easy to play against a team from Germany, Belgium, France, Denmark, etc., etc.), and as a result they not only learn a system of play but also learn how to adapt that system.

If all Aussie sides, from youth to seniors, are playing the same way, against teams playing the same way, how are our kids going to learn to play against 4-4-2, or 3-5-2, direct and long ball, etc.? They won't get the variation in styles from playing against neighbouring countries either - even if there was a great variation in styles around Asia the travelling costs are unsupportable.

I think he's saying that if the league is set up right promotion and relegation is a positive, but there are virtually no circumstances in which a non-promotion/relegation system can be positive.

Thank you. My English has sharply declined since being away from uni. :(

On this track, does anybody know if the football clubs in Brisbane have pubs nearby?

Not to my knowledge. But everything is a close train trip away.

Brisbane City
"Brisbane City Football Club is based in Newmarket approximately 2.5 kms from the centre of Brisbane. Our Clubhouse and Spencer Park Field 1, are located in Newbery Street and Fields 3, 4 & 5 are located at Wilston Recreation Reserve in Mark Street".

Olmpic
"Goodwin Park is located on the Western side of Cansdale Street (between Brisbane Corso and Hyde Road), at Yeronga"

Strikers
Perry Park, Bowen Hills.