I think he's saying that if the league is set up right promotion and relegation is a positive, but there are virtually no circumstances in which a non-promotion/relegation system can be positive.

You guys still dont get it, all these above clubs apart from Sth Melb would rather remain in a community league then join the comp as it stands.

In Queensland and NSW it is done.

In Victoria the resistance to the NCR and the FFV version is incoherent and uncoordinated.

The Clubs demands were met with a "Not Negotiable" from FFA HQ.

And I'll tell you this were the CLubs are concerned they will ditch their fellow clubs in a flash if its in their interest.

The One issue that may not get up though is the PPS and that will be because of the PFA and not the CLubs.


Not one of these clubs want to give up on their juniors thats 1 sticky point, another is they dont want heart and victorys youth teams playing in the comp and the biggest hurdle is getting their councils blessings for upgrades.

Oakliegh already has and the others will follow, some like Dandenong Thunder only had 3 junior teams anyway.

If you read the documentation of the FFA and the FFV every effort will be made to help the successful CLubs with developing Facilities Plans and making the necessary arrangements with councils was started some time ago with the development of Football Hubs, Knox Regional Centre is one, Bentleigh Greens facilities at Kingston is another as well as Epping Stadium. The FFV views this as an on going process.


As it stands at present, no club will receive council blessings the way this NCR Framework stands not 1 club. All these clubs the way their mentioned are closed shops private academies so to speak , destined only for those who can afford to bring their kids there, and there you have your stumbling block with councils not just in victoria but right around the country once you close it off to a select few your not a community club anymore but a closed shop which in turn means no council moneys or any redevelopments of grounds without council support.

Councils believe in assisting with different sports "Pathways" this has always been the case. As Councils have developed facilities for AFL with TAC Cup grounds and VFL (reserve) grounds and Cricket grounds for top level and Basketball facilities for top level. So to with the assitance of the FFA the Federal and State Governments, not to forget the Australian Sports Commisssion, the facilites will be upgraded and funding will be made available.
You may not know this but a National Audit of Soccer facilities was started two years ago under Buckley and is probably already finished.

This whole NCR thing is a big joke, No council in Australia anywhere will support it unless a lot of changes are made to it. And if FFA and all the rest of the Feds want this to go ahead well mabe they need to start acquiring land and start building stadiums on them and funding all the works from that 360 million dollar nest egg. Because as it stands if the councils are not behind it then its not going ahead. Sorry for my anger but most of these guys who helped draw this Framework up ment the right thing, but sometimes dreams dont come into fruitation and geez lots of them were dreaming really hard.

You guys still dont get it, all these above clubs apart from Sth Melb would rather remain in a community league then join the comp as it stands.

In Queensland and NSW it is done.

In Victoria the resistance to the NCR and the FFV version is incoherent and uncoordinated.

The Clubs demands were met with a "Not Negotiable" from FFA HQ.

And I'll tell you this were the CLubs are concerned they will ditch their fellow clubs in a flash if its in their interest.

The One issue that may not get up though is the PPS and that will be because of the PFA and not the CLubs.


Not one of these clubs want to give up on their juniors thats 1 sticky point, another is they dont want heart and victorys youth teams playing in the comp and the biggest hurdle is getting their councils blessings for upgrades.

Oakliegh already has and the others will follow, some like Dandenong Thunder only had 3 junior teams anyway.

If you read the documentation of the FFA and the FFV every effort will be made to help the successful CLubs with developing Facilities Plans and making the necessary arrangements with councils was started some time ago with the development of Football Hubs, Knox Regional Centre is one, Bentleigh Greens facilities at Kingston is another as well as Epping Stadium. The FFV views this as an on going process.


As it stands at present, no club will receive council blessings the way this NCR Framework stands not 1 club. All these clubs the way their mentioned are closed shops private academies so to speak , destined only for those who can afford to bring their kids there, and there you have your stumbling block with councils not just in victoria but right around the country once you close it off to a select few your not a community club anymore but a closed shop which in turn means no council moneys or any redevelopments of grounds without council support.

Councils believe in assisting with different sports "Pathways" this has always been the case. As Councils have developed facilities for AFL with TAC Cup grounds and VFL (reserve) grounds and Cricket grounds for top level and Basketball facilities for top level. So to with the assitance of the FFA the Federal and State Governments, not to forget the Australian Sports Commisssion, the facilites will be upgraded and funding will be made available.
You may not know this but a National Audit of Soccer facilities was started two years ago under Buckley and is probably already finished.

This whole NCR thing is a big joke, No council in Australia anywhere will support it unless a lot of changes are made to it. And if FFA and all the rest of the Feds want this to go ahead well mabe they need to start acquiring land and start building stadiums on them and funding all the works from that 360 million dollar nest egg. Because as it stands if the councils are not behind it then its not going ahead. Sorry for my anger but most of these guys who helped draw this Framework up ment the right thing, but sometimes dreams dont come into fruitation and geez lots of them were dreaming really hard.

This is why most clubs in Victoria are not joining because it makes no sense the way it is at present. And Sth Melb wanting to suck up to FFA have signed it without properly researching it.

Edited by cro69: 7/1/2013 06:00:21 PM

You can go on and on about why SMFC is supporting the NCR but it will get you nowhere.

The question should be about how can we change the NCR to be more acceptable.

For starters how many VPL clubs have gone to the PFA about the PPS?
I can tell you none.

Do you work for Souths at all?

These morons running this game and i will use the term morons, Are turning our great game into a joke by wanting to introduce a national draft. Now do you understand why this NCR Framework was drawn up by guys in a mental institution!!!! It makes no sense and continues to make no sense. And if they really are serious to introduce it like in the MLS then they need to have a chat to University's here to set up a curriculum and also set up a national university competion, have they done that yet?= NO . So il still continue to call this whole exercise a complete and utter waste of tax payers dollars, they spent 3 years drawing this NCR up and spent millions doing it and what a joke of a document they have come up with by not including the education system into it. All MLS draftees attend university's in the USA thats how it works there, If that was a road they went down it would be a great idea where 18-22 yr old developments would be paid for by the university's and in turn they get a good education at the same time giving them a career after football with degree in hand. But did they go down this road? Nooooooooooo](*,) ](*,)

Edited by cro69: 11/1/2013 08:50:04 AM

Some one get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

No ive said all along i follow heart in the HAL thats it. My roots are Melb Knights and always will be. This whole NCR Framework is flawed and will never work. But at the end of the day what do i know ive only been involved in the game for 35 years. Just you brainiacs tell me how many roll up to a HAL youth game? and in that answer you will know why the NCR will not work, people wont pay to watch kids they want to watch adults and thats why there is only 50 to 70 people at a youth league game.

Buckley said.

“These outcomes will also support the development of the Hyundai A-League as an even higher standard of young players emerge from the states to grow the entertainment appeal of the competition by improving the quality of play on the pitch.”

http://sportsbusinessinsider.com.au/features/analysis-review-gives-ffa-clear-signal-of-how-they-must-spread-the-love/

However, how much will it cost? When will this structure be delivered? Are all of the States and Territories in agreement with the NCR, practically not tentatively or in theory? Most importantly, what resources are required to ensure youth development outcomes equate to quality football(ers) across the country?

Tell us these things, FFA. The majority of your constituents – bar the apathetic bandwagon – would like to know. They have invested heavily and share a stake in the future direction of the game. Always have.

Only time will tell if this is another glossy document to appease the States and Territories, and grassroots clubs.