What does it matter, the English language has been destroyed by internet and text speak as well as a move to computers, young people today have less and less of a grasp of how to construct sentences and how to articulate a point in an essay.

Long winded post about above average communication skills, makes basic grammatical error.

Yep, English's idea of critical thinking is what Science wipes its arse with.

Edited by ozboy: 24/9/2012 12:18:58 PM

Oh ozboy... [size=7]You really need to get out more[/size]! You seem to think the world revolves solely around your own personal knowledge base, you really do represent the height of arrogance

Funniest thing however is the way you constantly talk up your scientific and academic credentials, but fail to realise that your closed minded, one dimensional outlook on the world is the total opposite of how a true scientist views things.

Your a god damn walking contradiction

read the thread, fuckwit

Edited by ozboy: 24/9/2012 08:18:11 PM

I personally think our school system is rather slack. I believe one English, one math and one science should all be compulsory.

I personally feel English, Maths and one science should be compulsory. But thats just me.

At first I thought this was a good idea, but then I remembered that [size=7]you only need to take four subjects in Year 12[/size] for the new SACE, so students wouldn't be given much choice, unless they decided to take an extra subject or two. Alternatively, they could scrap the PLP or whatever it's called and make it five subjects in Year 12 again.

Wait, what?

That's a joke right??

Yeah when the shit did that happen?? I finished 4 years ago and it was 6 subjects, 5 minimum, and any 1 unit subjects on top of this

Of all the subjects that should be "elective", English is not one of them!

Lol at keepersball saying its not like maths because you use maths everyday but not English, are you actually serious or just taking the piss?

You may not use poetry every day, but you don't use trigonometry every day either! But you still need to know it to have a proper comprehension of maths, just as poetry teaches you the groundwork of English.

English is the one subject I especially wish I had paid more attention to at school

Edited by RJL25: 24/9/2012 07:59:41 PM

I did VCE last year and English was my lowest score. I think English should be mandatory but I do not think it should be included in your top 4. This basically means it should not have such a large effect on your final score if it is not one of your better subjects but I still think you should take it.

Yeah when the shit did that happen?? I finished 4 years ago and it was 6 subjects, 5 minimum, and any 1 unit subjects on top of this

English is very important. The amount of people out there that are cannibals compared to the amount of people that just like to eat dinner with their grandmas is astonishing. :D

This is awkward. I agree with ozboys point on science. Science teaches so much skills. Theres a reason some business will rather hire people with a BSc rather than a BCom because of the analytical skills science teaches. Maths can also bring a lot of logic.

English however is important. Whilst yes Shakespeare might not be needed in later life, I still think people need to be 'culturally' enrich and exposed to one of the greatest writers in history.

PE should be compulsory too, because there are just too many fat kids and people in their early 20s nowadays.

Agree with all the non bold stuff.

The last part I disagree with. No one really knows what they want to do with their lives in year 10 or 11 or even year 12. I only decided what I wanted to do at the end of year 12. Ive had friends who've wanted to do something their whole high school years and then decide its not for them. Theres a lot of people who get into what they've dreamt of doing for so long and realise it isnt for them and they're stuck because they taylor made their subjects to get into the degree. Of course there are no prerequisites so they can transfer but they lost out on 2 years of developing the skills needed for that degree.

I agree totally with your comments on English. Scientific teaches so to be analytical in a different way to English and brings in a lot of logic. Maths is also exceptionally important in teaching more ways of logical thinking and problem solving. Its why i think english, science and maths should all be mandatory.

Im not sure how its like in other states but if we take NSW for example. Theres 6 units that could be taken up in maths, science and english. That still allows for 4 units at least of the persons own choosing, and even 6 if they want to do 12 units and then one of the mandatory subjects dont count.

On further thought if you made english and maths or science compulsory thats 4 units mandatory and the rest is up to the student to decide which really isnt that big a jump from the current 2 mandatory units of English.

At the end of the day school is about learning social skills and getting a rounded education. If students arent pursuing maths and or science on top on English towards the end of their schooling years they are not getting a rounded education.

And if there are only 4-6 compulsory units they still have another 6 or 4 (or more if they do more than 10 units which to me is just playing it smart) to pick the subjects they enjoy and good at. People who are good at maths/science still have to do english and i dont think it should be different for people who are more humanity inclined.

Science wise there is also Earth and Environmental science and Im pretty sure there an easier science course called Senior Science or something like that. I just think letting people pick pure humanities or just non maths/science subjects who do not get a proper rounded education for reasons ive already said.

If its out of their comfort zone, even more reason to make them do it. Life is not about always being in the comfort zone and doing what you want to do. Sometimes you have to do things you don't like because it helps you in the long run.

And chillbilly, I would ideally say a maths and science on top of English. However, he did maths as you said so that still gave him some depth. I know some people I could never convince to do a maths and science as well. Least he got some exposure to those skills through maths.

So if you have 5-6 subjects to pick, if english and a maths or science subject is compulsory, you still have 3-4 subjects to pick where you can focus on business. It really isnt the end of the world having one more mandatory subject that teaches you so much important things.

Im sure i read somewhere anyway that some firms prefer employing people with a BSc over BCom for example because of how science teaches you to think. Of course thats post graduate but i still think that shows why science is so important to get a full rounding of in school.

If its out of their comfort zone, even more reason to make them do it. Life is not about always being in the comfort zone and doing what you want to do. Sometimes you have to do things you don't like because it helps you in the long run.

And chillbilly, I would ideally say a maths and science on top of English. However, he did maths as you said so that still gave him some depth. I know some people I could never convince to do a maths and science as well. Least he got some exposure to those skills through maths.