DDS can last it in Netherlands. Why couldn't Brilliante ? because a RB in the A-League does jack shit compared to in Italy

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Edited by highkick05: 14/12/2015 11:25:43 AM

EG asked what people saw in him. I said he had a very good U20 world cup, and you agreed with that. He never set the A-league on fire, but he was a teenager playing in the midfield, not many have ever done that. He was above average for his age group though.

Im not saying I know better than a professional coach, however, this guy is better than Nick Ward and he will have a career in Europe. His problem is that he aimed too high to start with.

He needed to go to a smaller league than Serie A or B which is pretty cutthroat and teams cant afford a loss.

Montella did rate him highly at one stage in the preseason - why is that? Did form completely disappear, did the manager get it wrong? If its the latter, then its not inconceivable that two other managers have made the wrong decision thinking he isn't good enough too.

There are examples of players not being able to play to their ability simply because of how the coach has pegged them to play. Is Jedinak currently bench or starter quality for CP? Why isn't he being given more game time? Its hard to come on as a defensive midfield and make a case for a starting place given only 25mins of game time.

i don't want to get into a endless debate with you, because i will get blame and not you

if you think Brillante not good enough for a team like Como, then you sure as hell better hope Brillante not in Olympic Quail squads, because Australia can't qualify with a team full of players below this level

Edited by adrtho: 14/12/2015 12:29:33 PM

I think he's played about 22 matches since august. With about 15 or 16 starts and the rest off the bench. It's not surprising that he played well on the weekend after last weekends game was postponed and allowed him to get a much needed rest.

Proof is in the pudding etc

I think we need to start watching him play.

In reality he scored a good goal and spent the rest of the time misplacing passes and getting knocked off the ball.

“its not inconceivable that two other managers have made the wrong decision thinking he isn't good enough too”

3 sets of coaching staff at 3 different clubs and claiming all of them have got it wrong in respect to whether Josh is up to the grade is clutching at straws.

I don’t really fancy debating him at length either suffice to say he was incredibly fortunate although at the time, quite deserving of an opportunity to show his wares at a professional European club. It just so happened it was a fairly top end and well known club but in the end it just didn’t work out. Nothing wrong with that, it’s part of any sport and it happens.
However, if his skill sets don’t offer anything to clubs as small as Empoli and Como then he has some decisions to make come seasons end.

As I said, he was just a steady young player in the A League, nothing more, nothing less and it would not surprise me in the least if we have him back here for season 2016-17

Really ?

I thought he was excellent.
I thought he looked comfortable and in control and kept the side's shape very well.

His positioning was excellent and his ability to transition the play was effective along with his link up in the attacking 3rd.

Given the interest he generated obviously there was a fair few of us that noticed it.

fcuk knows what you were watching...

You're on the money with the last sentence. Yoel has just been loaned out to Rayo Vallecano with a buyout clause and after having to scramble for the second time in six months to replace an injured keeper with a quality one I'm not convinced there'll be a strong appetite for releasing any of their keepers in the immediate future.

TBH, sitting on the bench for a while probably won't be the worst thing for him, almost all good keepers have to do it for a period.

This. He was awesome in that game and then went on to play brilliantly in pre season against some very decent teams consistently. He clearly has some talent to be able to do that. Perhaps he is just not coping in Italy

Hope Maty had something in his contract around playing a certain amount of games per season, with Neville there now he could be sitting at 3rd choice for a while when Alves is back.

what about positioning? isnt he always getting played in RB when he's a DM? maybe that's an issue.

Concur that his status perhaps a bit too elevated with the Fiorentina move but he will find his level soon enough, or has to. He could still prove himself at a level above the A-League, as you guys say, just a smaller club or league level like the Eredivisie where contempories like Oar, Sainsbury and others have thrived?

Also, adrtho isn't wrong in respect to politics and social issues at Continental clubs - with Italian football and Italy in general, there is an emphasis, incentive even, to draw back upon their huge Diaspora in the developed New World, especially as their population is stagnant, declining slightly as it ages - so does their skill base. If some haven't noticed, those with Italian heritage have an added attraction to Italian clubs, not only logically like other parts of the world, but also due to their nationality laws and IIRC That's how Simon Colosimo and the like secured dual-nationality overseas, due heritage via the Grandparents or similar level links. Not sure with Brillante's own case, if he's second or third generation, but you just have to look at 'Troisi', 'Valeri', 'Madaschi', 'Bresciano', 'Grella', 'Okon' and a number of others, who've transferred there during their careers. Ikonomidis of Greek heritage actually seems our exception to that rule, recent times - but he's long been labelled a 'Wunderkinder' even before he left these shores.

Not saying Brillante's recruiting is all down to heritage, but then again, it is in fair part, down to heritage (That he ended up there), aswell as talent, opportunity, timing, I must say. Also, some of the Aussies of more removed Italian heritage going over there, they hardly know any Italian (Like Brillante apparently - According to an interview?), so it's still a steep learning curve for them, steeper than many of us may suspect of your typical dual nationals.

Edited by GloryPerth: 14/12/2015 03:49:03 PM

That was one of the longest posts to say nothing I think I've ever read.

In summary, if you are of Italian heritage, you have a better chance of making it in italy

Ok, or that. :p Thought I should explain with some context incase some hadn't taken that into account. ;)

That seems to be the case with most DMs (For better or worse), that they are utilised at RBs? Look at Mark Milligan (CB to RB to DM now), Rhys Williams (CB to RB to DM to CB), Chris Herd (DM to RB to p/t CB to DM), McGowan brothers (CB/DM/RB), Brillante, Jordan Lyden and many others? I'm not sure if it's just because those players are seen as tactically flexible or it's how such players who play in those positions are seen to be inter-changeable to those positions. A bit of both I guess? Most FBs these days are converted wingers too. I suppose could be said across the field though, few are set to life in the position of their early careers - Harry Kewell started off as a LB and moved further up to finish as a ST as he slowed later in his career.

i hear a few people talking about brad smith making the same transitions as kewell over time.

Completely gullible, although jumping in the deep end has its rewards sometimes

Reflective of your name New_Signing, you must be new around here. The parody account GloryPerth is well known for lengthy posts, random use of, punctuation and most particularly, the utilisation of more complex words and syntax in preference to the more simplistic conversational styles adopted by the vast majority of forumites.

Indeed, you have been especially privileged to experience the debut of the use of the term "diaspora" in preference to the more common and garden use and therefore inferior term,"community" and quite spectacularly the use of "wunderkinder" completely out of context in relation to a discourse about Italian football.

My outlining of the phenomena you have referred to as "if you are of Italian heritage, you have a better chance of making it in Italy" is indicative of the plethora of issues facing players looking to advance their careers overseas, the ramifications of which we mere forumites can only imagine.

As I like to say, you can only sort the wheat from the chaff when the chips are down and such like via exchanges such as this we can look forward with eternal optimism to even more exchanges via the double down ramifications and ... oh shit, I forgot what I was talking about .................................

According to talkceltic Rogic had a good match on Sunday. Quite a lot of commenters picked him as MOTM.

Matt Ryan is one of the best distributors of the ball I have seen

Short term headaches aside, I'm sure he will spend 10 years high up in Europe.

Ikon staying on the bench against Sampadoria.

The man, the legend Kenny Dougall just signed an extention to his contract til 2019. He's off to the Eredivisie!

Ryan is an atypical goalkeeper who only would be benefited under the tutelage of an open-minded coach. I'm not sure how open minded Neville would be coming in as his first gig in management and at a time where Valencia need some stability.

Jackson Irvine had 2 assists on the w/e to go with the assist he had the week before. All this leaves him with 1 goal and 8 assists from 21 games this season. Very tidy for a 22 year old defensive midfielder if his form keeps up he should be in line for a call up 100% can easily see him replacing Milligan within a year can play CM, DM, CB and RB very decent prospect. Really goes to show how important it is to keep playing regularly. Spent a couple of seasons with teams fighting relegation in Scotland which imo is far better than junior football or just bench warming even with a quality team like the Ikon is doing atm.

Don't jinx him. :lol:

This.

With the constant injuries... this entire thread is a jinx :lol:

anyone know Langerak's progress, if any

7th December -


well he's training, not on the bench for last game

Edited by highkick05: 15/12/2015 01:04:15 PM

Still no sign of Antonis.