Eli Babalj

So you're saying they'd still need a visa, but before you said they count as EU players. Which is it?

go read Kolpak ruling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolpak_ruling

Is he still at adelaide??

Nah we just had him for a one year loan and he only played 3 or 4 games before the acl. Poor bloke.

paladisious

adrtho is correct. The Kolpak Ruling means that citizens of non-EU countries with an Association Agreement with the European Union, such as some African players (without EU passports), can play in EU with the freedom to work which citizens of EU countries enjoy. South Africa, Zimbabwe and Algeria all have an Association Agreement with the European Union (there are more African countries). Same goes for non-African countries like Chile and Serbia. I mentioned it on another thread. Have you ever wondered how there are so many South Africans (some of whom without British passports) playing Country Cricket in England?

Basically, the relevant case law is Deutscher Handballbund eV v Maros Kolpak before the European Court of Justice.

Maroš Kolpak was a Slovak handball player who played in Germany (this was when Slovakia was not in the EU). The German Handball Association only allowed teams to have two non-EU players. Kolpak was released from his team. But Slovakia had an Association Agreement with the European Union. Kolpak challenged the German Handball Association for discrimination on the grounds of treating him differently to German players when the Association Agreement between the EU and Slovakia ought to have meant that he be permitted the same employment rights as citizens of EU countries.

It went right up to the ECJ and they ruled in favour of Kolpak. It set a precedent which made a massive difference to a lot of people.

I argue that the whole EU thing is discrimination of an outrageously huge proportion. Absolute favouritism to huge proportions of people for reasons they can(not) help. But anyways.

Australians are fucking unlucky in this respect. It's ridiculous that Australia doesn't even have an EU Association Agreement. Thankfully, Australia is about to sign a free-trade agreement with the EU.

But it won't be enough. If Australia signs an Association Agreement with the European Union, that will mean all Australian footballers without EU passports can play in the EU with the same freedom of EU footballers (and Australian citizens can work in the EU in the same way).

Edited by quickflick: 28/6/2016 09:52:42 PM

FC Utrecht

Not South Sudan or Kenya though I see, so it's moot in Deng's case.

I guess.

Lord! I wish Australia would sign an Association Agreement with the EU. We'd all be so much better off for it.

yes they are, they are under African, Caribbean and Pacific Group of States or (ACP)



Edited by adrtho: 29/6/2016 12:09:46 AM

FC Utrecht got 3 players who played 200 games comb for FC Utrecht ...

ACP has a Partnership Agreement, not an Association Agreement, and South Sudan isn't in it anyway.

Edited by paladisious: 29/6/2016 12:17:59 AM

it called the Cotonou Agreement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotonou_Agreement

and here, under EU Association Agreements in force

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Association_Agreement

i'm not a EU Agreement lawyer...South Sudan might come under Sudan ,because it a new country after CAP was sign in 2003, or it might not

Edited by adrtho: 29/6/2016 12:27:58 AM

do you know the different between EU Partnership Agreement and EU Association Agreement?

How is this chat relevant?

Dick measuring contest over who is the better google user :roll:

I see that an Association Agreement lets clubs not count to non EU quotas, but they still need a visa, so being Australian is probably better for him in this case.

Nah, adrtho has a friend who's an MEP.

Just read that Celtic have signed moussa dembele, who I guess is a slightly deeper central midfielder than rogic (right?)

If they can operate together, it's a great signing for celtic and shows rogers' intentions

Edited by schimch: 29/6/2016 11:11:12 AM

They signed Fulham's Dembele, not Tottenhams.

He is a striker

You have the wrong Dembele mate, hed never step down the Celtic (no offence). They signed the young Fulham Striker.

Ah whoops, well even better then

Zullo and Sarota had their fair share of injury problems. Zullo and Sarota both playing less than 50 games over 6 years almost. Most of those games are taken up by Oar.

yes, that is a great out come , game wise for FC Utrecht....not for a profit wise, as FC Utrecht is a seller club

i have friends , who are MEP

wtf is this crap? :roll:

Kwame Yeboah came on for Mochengladbach II in the 46th minute. Anyone know how he went?

He.... he's alive?

Discussing the Kolpak agreement is relevant to Aussies Abroad because for some Aussies, it means it's easier for them to play in Europe. And you never know, it may make things easier for all Aussies to play in Europe.

Laws and trade agreements have a big impact on Aussies Abroad, so it's worthy of discussion.

I can't say for certain but I think it would be a piece of cake to get a visa if you're from a country with an EU Association Agreement. The Kolpak ruling basically said that the German Handball Federation had discriminated against Kolpak by treating him differently to a German citizen with respect to his freedom to work. The implication is that citizens from countries with an EU Association Agreement should be able to get a work permit/working visa for EU countries with absolute ease.

It's far easier for South African, Zimbabwean, Algerian, Israeli, etc. footballers to get a work permit/visa for EU countries than for Australians to do so.