General Ashnak
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The Fury are back :D
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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Timmo
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paulbagzFC wrote:Promotion/relegation will come, hints are around 2022.
Another good thing about a strong APL is that it can be expanded relatively easily compared to the HAL and during the next TV deal (5+ years time) you can simply promote from within for HAL expansion.
-PB This and with lesser start-up costs to make the jump from APL to A-league.
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Glory Recruit
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TimmyJ wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Promotion/relegation will come, hints are around 2022.
Another good thing about a strong APL is that it can be expanded relatively easily compared to the HAL and during the next TV deal (5+ years time) you can simply promote from within for HAL expansion.
-PB I hope they dont expand the APL and just use 12 teams plus pro/rel Surely some of the larger cities that missed out deserve a team in the state competition?
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RJL25
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According to the Courier Mail website, as well as the senior teams, all 12 clubs will also be expected for field 5 junior men's teams from under 12's to under 20's from next year, and women's under 13, 14, 15 and 18's from 2014
Has me fucked how the logistics of this is meant to work, how are you going to fly under 12's teams all over the state each week? Or will the juniors teams just compete in a couple of carnivals each year??
Also, the Moreton Bay club is being run by Albany Creek, which funnily enough is my old junior club!
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General Ashnak wrote:The Fury are back :D Any idea why they didnt stick with NQF?
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Quote:Brisbane.
3 October, 2012
Football Queensland has today announced the 12 clubs who have been granted licences to the Australian Premier League (APL), following an application process which saw 22 submissions from football clubs around Queensland.
The clubs were asked to meet detailed assessment criteria as well as submit a business plan, a football plan and five year financial forecast. The clubs who have been successful in their application are:
Brisbane City Football Club Brisbane Strikers Central Queensland Football Club Far North Queensland Bulls Moreton Bay United Northern Fury Olympic FC Palm Beach Sharks Queensland Academy of Sport Redlands United Football Club Sunshine Coast Fire Western Pride Football Club With the national competition, the Hyundai A-League, in its eighth year and continuing to grow, the introduction of the APL looks to further strengthen the junior talented player pathway.
By 2018, it is hoped that at least one of the abovementioned clubs will be successful enough to gain promotion to the A-League, with Football Federation Australia (FFA) looking to introduce a promotion/relegation structure from 2022.
Football Queensland Chief Executive Officer, Geoff Foster, believes today’s announcement is a step forward for football in Queensland and is excited by the opportunities it will afford junior players throughout the state.
“The APL will no doubt strengthen our top tier, the Hyundai A-League, but most importantly it provides a clear pathway for our talented juniors who will receive top quality coaching and develop their skills in a professional environment,” Foster said.
“With clubs having to meet certain criteria to be given a licence, it brings a new level of accountability to the player pathway, not only for the clubs but for Football Queensland and FFA in developing quality coaches and competitions for players to aspire to”.
The new Australian Premier League will kick off in March, 2013 with clubs to field teams from Under 12s to First Team in men’s and women’s competitions. http://www.footballqueensland.com.au/index.php?display=item&id=1751
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paulbagzFC
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TimmyJ wrote:I dont really understand how it improves pathways to the HAL. The way its been explained thus far (for the Townsville region/Northern Fury team at the very least) is that all of the local divisions and teams would act as "feeder" teams to the APL clubs. Like how Rugby League clubs have feeder teams that play in other divisions and can promote/select/buy players from these clubs. So you can play for your local suburb semi-pro club and can be promoted up into the APL team and then onwards to the next HAL team (for anything north of Brisbane would be the Roar at this point for example). Because all divisions are under the Football Queensland/FFA banner, they now have to form under the pyramid of the APL and so forth. Hope that made sense Timmy. -PB
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General Ashnak
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Aussie4ever4 wrote:General Ashnak wrote:The Fury are back :D Any idea why they didnt stick with NQF? Better to ask PB I think. Also we need to find out when they are bringing out their kits, red and white checkerboard I reckon should suit: Edited by general ashnak: 3/10/2012 03:33:10 PM
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Shaker
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RJL25 wrote:According to the Courier Mail website, as well as the senior teams, all 12 clubs will also be expected for field 5 junior men's teams from under 12's to under 20's from next year, and women's under 13, 14, 15 and 18's from 2014
Has me fucked how the logistics of this is meant to work, how are you going to fly under 12's teams all over the state each week? Or will the juniors teams just compete in a couple of carnivals each year??
Also, the Moreton Bay club is being run by Albany Creek, which funnily enough is my old junior club! Doubt they'd play eachother, perhaps since the teams are mostly existing teams, they'll continue to play in their local comps.
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thupercoach
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Serious question - do all clubs have the funds to travel?
Love the idea btw
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General Ashnak
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RJL25 wrote:According to the Courier Mail website, as well as the senior teams, all 12 clubs will also be expected for field 5 junior men's teams from under 12's to under 20's from next year, and women's under 13, 14, 15 and 18's from 2014
Has me fucked how the logistics of this is meant to work, how are you going to fly under 12's teams all over the state each week? Or will the juniors teams just compete in a couple of carnivals each year??
Also, the Moreton Bay club is being run by Albany Creek, which funnily enough is my old junior club! Wouldn't they be a part of their local comps rather than travelling all over the place? Then they would also be a part of inter club carnivals at a centralised location. Similar to how pro clubs all over the world do things.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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General Ashnak
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Shaker wrote:RJL25 wrote:According to the Courier Mail website, as well as the senior teams, all 12 clubs will also be expected for field 5 junior men's teams from under 12's to under 20's from next year, and women's under 13, 14, 15 and 18's from 2014
Has me fucked how the logistics of this is meant to work, how are you going to fly under 12's teams all over the state each week? Or will the juniors teams just compete in a couple of carnivals each year??
Also, the Moreton Bay club is being run by Albany Creek, which funnily enough is my old junior club! Doubt they'd play eachother, perhaps since the teams are mostly existing teams, they'll continue to play in their local comps.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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Of course any productive gains that may be made with the introduction of an APL throughout the country will be quickly undone by some clubs (if selected}. Clubs that continue to rip of flares and chant Hellas or Cro-art-tzi-ar, in the name of their foreign mother country should be banned from the outset. If you ever want to see football go in free fall, just observe these events - should they ever break through the safeguards. Edited by paulc: 3/10/2012 03:33:31 PM
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paulbagzFC
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blacka wrote:So as a transitional model APL seems like an improvement. But it doesn't get to the issue of building a top to bottom pathway for clubs that want to have a true chance to play for promotion to the top flight. So in that sense it is a separate structure ...i am guessing it is not a long term thing? It just seems they are avoiding for now the real issue of bringing the top and state tiers closer together. And giving regional aspirants a path to the top, on the field i might add not in the boardroom as is the strayan tradition. I think its a classic case of they money just isn't there yet for promotion and relegation (especially if you go off the Fury/Gold Coast fiascos). It's great to have the second div going through its own "New Dawn"-esque period, but we realistically can't expect relegation straight out of the gates because these clubs just don't have the cash to handle the A-League yet. Plus could you imagine a team like Victory possibly being relegate in a few years time? RJL25 wrote:Has me fucked how the logistics of this is meant to work, how are you going to fly under 12's teams all over the state each week? Or will the juniors teams just compete in a couple of carnivals each year? Will be playing in local leagues I believe. Aussie4ever4 wrote:General Ashnak wrote:The Fury are back :D Any idea why they didnt stick with NQF? More then likely it was copyrighted by the FFA or other subsidiaries which prevented the use of the name. Kinda like a dead company can't be resurrected. thupercoach wrote:Serious question - do all clubs have the funds to travel?
Love the idea btw FFA/FQ will subsidies travel costs for the teams. 20k a year for regional teams, 10k a year for metropolitan teams (something that will be a huge help and is relatively unheard of in the current state league structures). Most of this will be paid out of sponsorship/TV deals and can only get bigger/fully subsidized as the competition grows. -PB
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TimmyJ
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Thanks PB.
Was a slight mis understanding. I was thinking more player pathways. I can see how it would effect the local market as all the best players would be pulled towards the top at earlier ages.
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RJL25
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Would love for SBS to get behind this and show a game of the week or something from each state conference every week, that'd be 5 or 6 games a week of local football, would be epic
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paulc wrote:Of course any productive gains that may be made with the introduction of an APL throughout the country will be quickly undone by some clubs (if selected}. Clubs that continue to rip of flares and chant Hellas or Cro-art-tzi-ar, in the name of their foreign mother country should be banned from the outset.
If you ever want to see football go in free fall, just observe these events - should they ever break through the safeguards.
Edited by paulc: 3/10/2012 03:33:31 PM Mate, just shut up!
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Benny Buckly
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Football Queensland wrote:By 2018, it is hoped that at least one of the abovementioned clubs will be successful enough to gain promotion to the A-League, with Football Federation Australia (FFA) looking to introduce a promotion/relegation structure from 2022. Bulllllllllshit Anyone wanna tell the HAL owners their license may cover them playing in the state APL. Lowy will be dead by then and Gallop hasn't picked his desk colour yet. Who's making this call?
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paulbagzFC wrote:blacka wrote:Aussie4ever4 wrote:[quote=General Ashnak]The Fury are back :D Any idea why they didnt stick with NQF? More then likely it was copyrighted by the FFA or other subsidiaries which prevented the use of the name. Kinda like a dead company can't be resurrected. -PB Thanks.
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I like the way this is being structured. Forcing the successful applicants to have junior and women's teams makes them real clubs not stand alone franchises. I really hope that when the A-League clubs become sustainable they are moved in this direction too.
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Gyfox wrote:I like the way this is being structured. Forcing the successful applicants to have junior and women's teams makes them real clubs not stand alone franchises. I really hope that when the A-League clubs become sustainable they are moved in this direction too +1
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General Ashnak
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RJL25 wrote:Gyfox wrote:I like the way this is being structured. Forcing the successful applicants to have junior and women's teams makes them real clubs not stand alone franchises. I really hope that when the A-League clubs become sustainable they are moved in this direction too +1 =d>
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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General Ashnak
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Benny Buckly wrote:Football Queensland wrote:By 2018, it is hoped that at least one of the abovementioned clubs will be successful enough to gain promotion to the A-League, with Football Federation Australia (FFA) looking to introduce a promotion/relegation structure from 2022. Bulllllllllshit Anyone wanna tell the HAL owners their license may cover them playing in the state APL. Lowy will be dead by then and Gallop hasn't picked his desk colour yet. Who's making this call? All the HAL club licenses expire in 2022, coincidence?
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RJL25
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Moreton Bay United to be known as the Jets? http://www.moretonbayunited.com/
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Benny Buckly
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General Ashnak wrote:Benny Buckly wrote:Football Queensland wrote:By 2018, it is hoped that at least one of the abovementioned clubs will be successful enough to gain promotion to the A-League, with Football Federation Australia (FFA) looking to introduce a promotion/relegation structure from 2022. Bulllllllllshit Anyone wanna tell the HAL owners their license may cover them playing in the state APL. Lowy will be dead by then and Gallop hasn't picked his desk colour yet. Who's making this call? All the HAL club licenses expire in 2022, coincidence? Has anyone seen mention of this anywhere else before ?
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General Ashnak
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Benny Buckly wrote:General Ashnak wrote:Benny Buckly wrote:Football Queensland wrote:By 2018, it is hoped that at least one of the abovementioned clubs will be successful enough to gain promotion to the A-League, with Football Federation Australia (FFA) looking to introduce a promotion/relegation structure from 2022. Bulllllllllshit Anyone wanna tell the HAL owners their license may cover them playing in the state APL. Lowy will be dead by then and Gallop hasn't picked his desk colour yet. Who's making this call? All the HAL club licenses expire in 2022, coincidence? Has anyone seen mention of this anywhere else before ? Look up the articles around all the recent license purchases.
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Benny Buckly
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General Ashnak wrote:Benny Buckly wrote:General Ashnak wrote:Benny Buckly wrote:Football Queensland wrote:By 2018, it is hoped that at least one of the abovementioned clubs will be successful enough to gain promotion to the A-League, with Football Federation Australia (FFA) looking to introduce a promotion/relegation structure from 2022. Bulllllllllshit Anyone wanna tell the HAL owners their license may cover them playing in the state APL. Lowy will be dead by then and Gallop hasn't picked his desk colour yet. Who's making this call? All the HAL club licenses expire in 2022, coincidence? Has anyone seen mention of this anywhere else before ? Look up the articles around all the recent license purchases. No, I meant the relegation proposal.
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RJL25
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You couldn't relegate an a-leauge club to a state conference, it would be too large of a drop.
Before 2022, there would have to be a national division of the APL, thus making 3 tiers
A-League APL National Division APL State Conferences (winners from each conference come together for knock-out tournament to see who gets promoted each year)
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Benny Buckly
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Where's the "National Division" ...source ?
Edited by Benny Buckly: 3/10/2012 04:09:24 PM
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RJL25
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Benny Buckly wrote:Where's the "National Division" ...source ?
Edited by Benny Buckly: 3/10/2012 04:09:24 PM It's just me making it up, throwing the idea out there
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