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Football Federation Victoria has charged Dandenong Thunder with misconduct after a 10-year-old girl was hit in the face with a flare during the Victorian Premier League grand final. The Thunder, which defeated Oakleigh Cannons to win the championship 2-1, will face the charges at a hearing in Melbourne on Thursday. Police are investigating and believe a Dandenong supporter fired the flare to celebrate a goal. But it bounced off an overhead sign and hit the girl, seated about 50 metres away. She suffered burns to her face, and another girl, aged 12, suffered burns to her shoulder. The misconduct charges also include claims Thunder failing to control several of its associates, after one allegedly verbally abused an FFV security advisor at the game and another entered the field of play without consent. The associates have been each charged separately. Club president Merson Azizi declined to comment. Police have appealed to Thunder supporters for information, believing someone in their supporter base must know who is responsible for firing the flare. But detectives have been disappointed with the lack of information provided. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/melbourne-soccer-team-charged-over-flare-that-injured-children-20121106-28v96.html#ixzz2BPWEOwMY Yet there are still some idiots who cannot see the problem with starting a fire in a crowded area with limited exits. Edit: No swearing in thread titles please. Edited by Joffa: 6/11/2012 06:02:57 PM
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Mrmcjewpants
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Pow right in the kisser
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macktheknife
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I wonder if the defence will be the same "the other side did it to make us look bad" as their supporters are saying?
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Heineken
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Should be docked an automatic amount of points, or make them not be able to accumulate points next season, thus automatically demoting them to the 2nd division. Also, all home games behind closed doors, and the only fans allowed at away games should be members. A fine in the 6-figure range should be handed out, too. FFA need to come down hard on these dickweeds.
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SausageMahoney
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people who light flares are as retarded as graphtti taggers. ill never understand the joy either get out of their petty past times.
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General Ashnak
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Heineken wrote:Should be docked an automatic amount of points, or make them not be able to accumulate points next season, thus automatically demoting them to the 2nd division. Also, all home games behind closed doors, and the only fans allowed at away games should be members. A fine in the 6-figure range should be handed out, too.
FFA need to come down hard on these dickweeds. Agreed.
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rocknerd
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This is the rocket propelled flare right??? only a fuckwit would use a flare gun in a football match. From what I've heard, they don't normally have fans other than this match so i'd suggest that the person who did it is only associated with Football once in a blue moon.
I love flares, but even I draw the line at Flare guns. Very uncool.
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Heineken
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rocknerd wrote:I love flares, but even I draw the line at Flare guns. Very uncool. Michael Mcconaughey begs to differ. [youtube]KjxiIV0ILx0[/youtube]
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BackFour
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rocknerd wrote:This is the rocket propelled flare right??? only a fuckwit would use a flare gun in a football match. From what I've heard, they don't normally have fans other than this match so i'd suggest that the person who did it is only associated with Football once in a blue moon.
I love flares, but even I draw the line at Flare guns. Very uncool. so did the idiot concerned - i suppose you also like bullets but hate guns There is no place for flares in ANY FORM at any sporting event!!!!!!! Edited by backfour: 6/11/2012 04:28:48 PM
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Langan
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flares are for tossbags.
And I liked Sahara! I can't understand why so many people hated that movie :(
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Benjamin
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They will be hammered - and rightly so.
I might have some sympathy with the committee at the club if they had come out with any statement to condemn the 'supporters', but they've not said anything against the actions, or given any sign of acknowledging the issue is in any way related to their club.
Suspect they will not be playing in the VPL next year.
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Heineken
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Langan wrote: And I liked Sahara! I can't understand why so many people hated that movie :(
Cinematography wise, acting wise, and cliche wise it's more cringe worthy than a Liberal Party dinner with Alan Jones as your head speaker, but I picked it up a few years ago for a bargain basement price of $3.99 and it's worth a good laugh. It's a good action movie for kids. Nothing graphic, just a bit of bang bang pow pow wizz wizz kaboom.
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And the anti flare brigade are out again. Those who say flares shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world need to move beyond watching just EPL, A-League and AFL. Many many countries and there clubs mangage to safely and effectively use flares during matches. While much of the North Terrace acknowledged the effectiveness of flares in enhancing the atmosphere at matches, it also noted that in an environment where the Authorities (and some fans) are unaware of a safe procedure to manage the ignition of flares, their presence can be dangerous. In the event of ignition, Dimwitted Seccos would just charge in like bulls to arrest people left right and centre, resulting in the unsafe practice of Flares being dropped or even worse thrown. Maybe if there could be agreement between both parties on safe practice it could work but the FFA would prefer blanket ban and supporter exclusion so until then they just can't coexist.
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melbourne_terrace wrote:And the anti flare brigade are out again. Those who say flares shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world need to move beyond watching just EPL, A-League and AFL. Many many countries and there clubs mangage to safely and effectively use flares during matches.
While much of the North Terrace acknowledged the effectiveness of flares in enhancing the atmosphere at matches, it also noted that in an environment where the Authorities (and some fans) are unaware of a safe procedure to manage the ignition of flares, their presence can be dangerous. In the event of ignition, Dimwitted Seccos would just charge in like bulls to arrest people left right and centre, resulting in the unsafe practice of Flares being dropped or even worse thrown. Maybe if there could be agreement between both parties on safe practice it could work but the FFA would prefer blanket ban and supporter exclusion so until then they just can't coexist. how about it's illegal and just abiding by the law???????:-k
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How is the kid? Did she have to go to hospital?
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liverpoolfan2010
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melbourne_terrace wrote:And the anti flare brigade are out again. Those who say flares shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world need to move beyond watching just EPL, A-League and AFL. Many many countries and there clubs mangage to safely and effectively use flares during matches.
While much of the North Terrace acknowledged the effectiveness of flares in enhancing the atmosphere at matches, it also noted that in an environment where the Authorities (and some fans) are unaware of a safe procedure to manage the ignition of flares, their presence can be dangerous. In the event of ignition, Dimwitted Seccos would just charge in like bulls to arrest people left right and centre, resulting in the unsafe practice of Flares being dropped or even worse thrown. Maybe if there could be agreement between both parties on safe practice it could work but the FFA would prefer blanket ban and supporter exclusion so until then they just can't coexist. How would you know there is no injuries from them ??????? you would have no idea so how about not commenting on something miles and miles away. a quick search in Google will show you yes people get injures from flares at football games at other country's.
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Benjamin
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melbourne_terrace wrote:And the anti flare brigade are out again. Those who say flares shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world need to move beyond watching just EPL, A-League and AFL. Many many countries and there clubs mangage to safely and effectively use flares during matches.
While much of the North Terrace acknowledged the effectiveness of flares in enhancing the atmosphere at matches, it also noted that in an environment where the Authorities (and some fans) are unaware of a safe procedure to manage the ignition of flares, their presence can be dangerous. In the event of ignition, Dimwitted Seccos would just charge in like bulls to arrest people left right and centre, resulting in the unsafe practice of Flares being dropped or even worse thrown. Maybe if there could be agreement between both parties on safe practice it could work but the FFA would prefer blanket ban and supporter exclusion so until then they just can't coexist. How flares are used overseas, and their safety record, isn't relevant. The only issue is that they are illegal in Australian sporting venues, supporters know this, yet tosspots continue to use them. They don't bother me on a personal level - but when you know its against the rules, and you do it anyway, you MUST expect penalties, and you can't argue about them when they come.
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melbourne_terrace wrote:And the anti flare brigade are out again. Those who say flares shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world need to move beyond watching just EPL, A-League and AFL. Many many countries and there clubs mangage to safely and effectively use flares during matches.
While much of the North Terrace acknowledged the effectiveness of flares in enhancing the atmosphere at matches, it also noted that in an environment where the Authorities (and some fans) are unaware of a safe procedure to manage the ignition of flares, their presence can be dangerous. In the event of ignition, Dimwitted Seccos would just charge in like bulls to arrest people left right and centre, resulting in the unsafe practice of Flares being dropped or even worse thrown. Maybe if there could be agreement between both parties on safe practice it could work but the FFA would prefer blanket ban and supporter exclusion so until then they just can't coexist. =d> =d> =d>
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zarate
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Benjamin wrote:They will be hammered - and rightly so.
I might have some sympathy with the committee at the club if they had come out with any statement to condemn the 'supporters', but they've not said anything against the actions, or given any sign of acknowledging the issue is in any way related to their club.
Suspect they will not be playing in the VPL next year. Just a guess? or have you got inside word?
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General Ashnak
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melbourne_terrace wrote:And the anti flare brigade are out again. Those who say flares shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world need to move beyond watching just EPL, A-League and AFL. Many many countries and there clubs mangage to safely and effectively use flares during matches.
While much of the North Terrace acknowledged the effectiveness of flares in enhancing the atmosphere at matches, it also noted that in an environment where the Authorities (and some fans) are unaware of a safe procedure to manage the ignition of flares, their presence can be dangerous. In the event of ignition, Dimwitted Seccos would just charge in like bulls to arrest people left right and centre, resulting in the unsafe practice of Flares being dropped or even worse thrown. Maybe if there could be agreement between both parties on safe practice it could work but the FFA would prefer blanket ban and supporter exclusion so until then they just can't coexist. I take it that the firing of the flare gun and the injury to two young children is a lie then? Enjoy fantasy land mate.
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Out of curiosity do A-League clubs get fines when fans rip flares? I know VPL clubs do, I'm interested to see if the FFA apply the measures as the FFV.
Also it might shut some of these "super ultras" up if they know every time a flare is ripped they are punishing their club.
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Joffa
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krisskrash wrote:Out of curiosity do A-League clubs get fines when fans rip flares? I know VPL clubs do, I'm interested to see if the FFA apply the measures as the FFV.
Yep 5k I believe. Edited by Joffa: 8/11/2012 05:46:37 PM
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Joffa wrote:krisskrash wrote:Out of curiosity do A-League clubs get fines when fans rip flares? I know VPL clubs do, I'm interested to see if the FFA apply the measures as the FFV.
Yep 5k I believe. Edited by Joffa: 8/11/2012 05:46:37 PM Maybe this should be the message then. Instead of Flares are bad, they make the game look bad. It should be every time a flare is ripped it harms your club.
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Benjamin
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zarate wrote:Benjamin wrote:They will be hammered - and rightly so.
I might have some sympathy with the committee at the club if they had come out with any statement to condemn the 'supporters', but they've not said anything against the actions, or given any sign of acknowledging the issue is in any way related to their club.
Suspect they will not be playing in the VPL next year. Just a guess? or have you got inside word? Was a guess. Incorrect as it happens. Hefty fine, games behind closed doors, points deduction. About as hard as they could hit them short of relegation. Will be interesting to see how the club reacts. Feel very sorry for the players and the coaches - not so much for the committee.
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liverpoolfan2010 wrote:melbourne_terrace wrote:And the anti flare brigade are out again. Those who say flares shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world need to move beyond watching just EPL, A-League and AFL. Many many countries and there clubs mangage to safely and effectively use flares during matches.
While much of the North Terrace acknowledged the effectiveness of flares in enhancing the atmosphere at matches, it also noted that in an environment where the Authorities (and some fans) are unaware of a safe procedure to manage the ignition of flares, their presence can be dangerous. In the event of ignition, Dimwitted Seccos would just charge in like bulls to arrest people left right and centre, resulting in the unsafe practice of Flares being dropped or even worse thrown. Maybe if there could be agreement between both parties on safe practice it could work but the FFA would prefer blanket ban and supporter exclusion so until then they just can't coexist. How would you know there is no injuries from them ??????? you would have no idea so how about not commenting on something miles and miles away. a quick search in Google will show you yes people get injures from flares at football games at other country's. People also get injured driving cars, riding horses, PLAYING football etc Flares aren't the issue. The issue is stupid people
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SydneyCroatia wrote:liverpoolfan2010 wrote:melbourne_terrace wrote:And the anti flare brigade are out again. Those who say flares shouldn't be allowed anywhere in the world need to move beyond watching just EPL, A-League and AFL. Many many countries and there clubs mangage to safely and effectively use flares during matches.
While much of the North Terrace acknowledged the effectiveness of flares in enhancing the atmosphere at matches, it also noted that in an environment where the Authorities (and some fans) are unaware of a safe procedure to manage the ignition of flares, their presence can be dangerous. In the event of ignition, Dimwitted Seccos would just charge in like bulls to arrest people left right and centre, resulting in the unsafe practice of Flares being dropped or even worse thrown. Maybe if there could be agreement between both parties on safe practice it could work but the FFA would prefer blanket ban and supporter exclusion so until then they just can't coexist. How would you know there is no injuries from them ??????? you would have no idea so how about not commenting on something miles and miles away. a quick search in Google will show you yes people get injures from flares at football games at other country's. People also get injured driving cars, riding horses, PLAYING football etc Flares aren't the issue. The issue is stupid people yes people are stupid............ problem here is...the people who hop into a car know the risks of driving a car, as do the people who decide to hop on a horse........ so when you go to a football match with your daughter you should wear a crash helmet and fire proof jacket to protect yourself from flares and rockets?????? does not make sense......
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I think they got a 3 point deduction from next season, too.
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To be frank, the extent of the punishment isn't that big of a suprise. Considering the amount of incidents the club have had prior to this, it was bound to happen.
The thing that annoys me about our community, is the initial reaction is automatically "the system is prejudiced against us", "they want us out of the league" etc etc - when any rational person would say "Actually, not its coz your supporters have fucked up time and time again, and its about time they got done for it"
Fortunately, the community is strong and will fight for the survival of the club - I just wished they cared enough about it to help bring the perpetrators to justice.
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Also read from dandys fb that they might end up winding up as they can't afford to play behind closed doors and pay the fine as they won't be making money.
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