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southmelb wrote:RichmondHeart wrote:30 Nov 2003: South Melbourne 5 Kingz 0
Attendance: 5,000.
14 Oct 2012: MHFC 1 - Wellington 1
Attendance: 10,000.
The Aucklund Kingz couldnt get a flight to Melbourne and the match was almost called off, it eventually went ahead a few hours later, the fact that 5,000 stuck around back then is amazing, as i recall the last time a heart match was delayed by a few hours only 2,000 odd remained against the mariners on a friday night Secondly the mhfc v wellington phoenix match was the curtain raiser for the vpl grand final, a lot of club officials from clubs across melbourne were required to be in attendance as well as a sprinkling of neutral fans...it was hardly a lone effort. VPL GF traditionally gets 4k ateendance the past 3 years A true reflection of Heart having approx 6k of their fans in attendance
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Benjamin wrote:Roar_Brisbane wrote:Benjamin wrote:I believe the logic was that we drop Heart because they get 4.5k, and promote South because we would expect to get 7k... More to the point though - 7k at our own venue would generate more for the club than 14k for Heart at AAMI due to the way both A-League sides get hammered by stadium management. MH average about 6.9K this season. Seems like a pointless exercise. Following a theory rather than a personal belief (I don't believe Heart should be out of the league, I personally believe they should represent something though), the argument is that the sustainability of an A-League franchise is tied heavily to how much they can earn (or to be more accurate, how little they can lose) when hosting fixtures. Anecdotal evidence suggests that the break-even figure for Heart is around 15,000 at AAMI. This suggests that a crowd of 7000 means they are losing something like $160,000 every time they play at home. The idea behind South being a good option for the A-league is that even on the same crowds that Heart is getting (the magical 6,900 average), South would have covered stadium costs, and would therefore be around $2m/season better off than Heart on this basis alone. The biggest threat to the A-League, as demonstrated at the tail end of last season, is that just one team failing can throw the entire competition into chaos - forcing the FFA to step in and self-finance a team. Wouldn't it be true to say that the competition is better off everytime we remove a financially vulnerable team and replace them with a financially stronger alternative (whether that be South, a new franchise, or a revised version of Heart with a stronger point of difference to Victory)? Again, to be quite clear, I don't believe Heart should be out of the competition. Get rid off them - they are a waste of space - they dilute the HAL trademark and frankly make the whole comp look second rate I called it from day 1 They set out to be a bridesmaid to the Victory - what kind of rivalry does that stimulate - at no stage have the Heart even attempted to challenge the Victory in supremacy in this town Rather than create their own brand and differentiation as an alter ego all they achieved was that They cannibalized Victory's fan base and became a B Team The old smfc boys at the Victory board room were instrumental in bringing Kewell over - whilst his form was not great it did however stop the fan migration to MH and in fact reversed it - as fans bought MEMBERSHIPS - Victory's intent was clear and the MH did not know how to respond -> Victory drove a screw driver into the Heart of MH and all Victory did was merely scratch their balls and the Heart were looking at the FFA for assistance - and still are today - they had/have no idea how to respond How can football develop further in city with a rivalry like that?? MH cannot compete with the big boys - they are clearly out of the depth and would not survive at even VPL level - they not only lack ambition but football acumen at all levels - they come out with fancy terms such as football philosophy - however and as repeatedly demonstrated they have failed to even accomplish the most basic fundamentals of football - Sidwell and that moustache have no business in this game - The Heart are like a chicken sitting on a brick that will never hatch Even if smfc never play in the top tier - MH are a waste of time - better having 1 team in the city with clear intent that people believe in than having 2 teams and one of them is a fake To be successful in this business you need desire - drive - passion - enterprise - ambition - foresight and the balls to carry it through Melbourne Heart have demonstrated none of the above Heartfan calls me a troll - I am just stating the obvious Edited by chris: 10/12/2012 09:08:24 PM
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BackFour wrote:chris wrote:BackFour wrote:chris wrote:BackFour wrote:To the OP - HAL is not going back to including mono- ethnic clubs.
Which is the only way SMFC could hope to surpass MH attendances - so troll all you like.
SMFC is irrelevant to the future of the game here, despite supporters like you, who were hoping for a poor TV deal to cause instability that you hoped mono-ethnic clubs could exploit in an attempt to get back into the spot light.
We respect the contribution of SMFC and the other clubs - but just like Hakoah, Polonia, JUST etc, SMFC supporters need to understand that your time in the sun is over, and your brand now longer fits with the direction of the HAL.
As an MV supporters, I am happy to admit even our crowd would have been down yesterday in those atrocious weather conditions. "SMFC is not a mono-ethnic club -> SMFC is a club which has a Greek background and this is very much part of our identity today and we embrace that - it is a club built by Greek migrants to assist with their identity by developing a landmark - the development and prosperity of this club is a gift to the wider community in this country - one which embraces cultural diversity which encourages a positive contribution to this country via our beautiful game.....and that is what makes our club uniquely AUSTRALIAN" How would you describe the Melbourne Heart??? the ONLY way for SMFC to get crowds of the size your suggesting is by appealing to its mono- ethnic roots pure and simple. You can't have it both ways - SMFC can't drop it's mono-ethnic roots and still expect mono-ethnic crowd numbers - Your proposition is totally implausible and illogical. Edited by backfour: 9/12/2012 11:25:03 PMEdited by backfour: 9/12/2012 11:35:06 PM Incorrect smfc will obviously have an attraction to its heritage which in Melbourne gen 1,2 and 3 Melbournians of greek heritage are now approaching 350 - 400k in a city of 4.5 million which is a telling figure and further compounds the strength of the smfc proposalhowever this segment would be a base which is why I said 7k before $1 marketing dollar was even spent - however smfc would also attract other segments for example, a little known fact is smfc has inherited a substantial stake within the MSAC presinct - where lakeside is situated (our home ground)- the culture is diverse as it is loyal with its partners and now represemts 1 of 2 world class sporting precincts in Melbourne of which smfc is an equal partner with the other sporting bodies such as the aquatic centre - the VIS and athletics - these are new comers to football and smfc is the carriage this is recognised widely as our spiritual home and a more than generous lease for the next 40 years - the recyprical benefits with the other sporting bodies - their establishments and their members are fundamental All this before any marketing spend to the general football public or potential fan so what is the smfc proposal???? History - Culture - Location - Differentiation - Prosperity - Partnerships - Establishment and ofcourse diversity Sorry Heart - this is not a bluff - you need to deliver or you are out - smfc is in a genuine position of strength Edited by chris: 10/12/2012 01:18:16 AMEdited by chris: 10/12/2012 01:20:00 AM At least we agree it will be a mono-ethnic - because not withstanding all the platitudes above SMFC has attracted TOKEN support from other groups. Its a Greek brand, plain and simple, and the clubs new proximity has done nothing to attract these NEW groups above you confidently predict will embrace the club. You can spin all you like - there is zero possibility of attracting a diverse enough supporter base that will extinguish SMFC traditional Greek brand- which is the issue for FFA. If you understood marketing you would know the brand can't change. no more than Hyundai could more into a prestige car that could compete with BMW. Brand image is fixed and immutable once established for more than 20 years let alone 50 years as is the case with SMFC. SMFC is suffering death by Irrelevance, and its existence is a inconsequential to the HAL, as Polonia, JUST, Hakoah were to the game when they stopped competing. Your effort to SPIN the facts are understandable but fail to grasp the reality - we have great admiration for the history of SMFC, but it's place is firmly in the past, not the HAL future. you obviously can't read
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I actually think that the A-League should look to certain NSL clubs for future expansion.
The likes of SMFC have a great stadium, they are financially secure, and will bring a lot of fans to the league, they have a lot of history and tradition.
It would make a lot more sense to bring in a club with the money and a fan base all ready to go than well...um... gold cost or NQ Fairies.
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19 Oct 2003 South Melb 4-1 Newcastle
Attendance: 3,700
24 Nov 2012 Melbourne Heart 3-3 Newcastle
Attendance: 7,100
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RichmondHeart wrote:19 Oct 2003 South Melb 4-1 Newcastle
Attendance: 3,700
24 Nov 2012 Melbourne Heart 3-3 Newcastle
Attendance: 7,100 Yep not our best day, but lets not forget how many of your 7,000 were freebies 2 weeks ago despite the drawcard of Heskey....the reality is Heart would have had 2-3k paying fans that day max...even i jumped online and myself a freebie but didnt end up going cos the weather was a stinker...you're not really proving much of a point here by posting one of our lowest crowds in about 20 years. Lets also not forget that the Newcastle of 2003 is nothing like the newcastle of today, for starters they were only averaging 2,000 in the final nsl year. Edited by southmelb: 10/12/2012 10:08:23 PM
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chris wrote:Benjamin wrote:Roar_Brisbane wrote:Benjamin wrote:I believe the logic was that we drop Heart because they get 4.5k, and promote South because we would expect to get 7k... More to the point though - 7k at our own venue would generate more for the club than 14k for Heart at AAMI due to the way both A-League sides get hammered by stadium management. MH average about 6.9K this season. Seems like a pointless exercise. Following a theory rather than a personal belief (I don't believe Heart should be out of the league, I personally believe they should represent something though), the argument is that the sustainability of an A-League franchise is tied heavily to how much they can earn (or to be more accurate, how little they can lose) when hosting fixtures. Anecdotal evidence suggests that the break-even figure for Heart is around 15,000 at AAMI. This suggests that a crowd of 7000 means they are losing something like $160,000 every time they play at home. The idea behind South being a good option for the A-league is that even on the same crowds that Heart is getting (the magical 6,900 average), South would have covered stadium costs, and would therefore be around $2m/season better off than Heart on this basis alone. The biggest threat to the A-League, as demonstrated at the tail end of last season, is that just one team failing can throw the entire competition into chaos - forcing the FFA to step in and self-finance a team. Wouldn't it be true to say that the competition is better off everytime we remove a financially vulnerable team and replace them with a financially stronger alternative (whether that be South, a new franchise, or a revised version of Heart with a stronger point of difference to Victory)? Again, to be quite clear, I don't believe Heart should be out of the competition. Get rid off them - they are a waste of space - they dilute the HAL trademark and frankly make the whole comp look second rate I called it from day 1 They set out to be a bridesmaid to the Victory - what kind of rivalry does that stimulate - at no stage have the Heart even attempted to challenge the Victory in supremacy in this town ... Even if smfc never play in the top tier - MH are a waste of time - better having 1 team in the city with clear intent that people believe in than having 2 teams and one of them is a fake To be successful in this business you need desire - drive - passion - enterprise - ambition - foresight and the balls to carry it through Melbourne Heart have demonstrated none of the above Heartfan calls me a troll - I am just stating the obvious 1. Are you serious? "Get rid of them"? Just like that huh? Because they got one bad crowd on a 37 degree day with thunderstorms forecasted for during the game!?! 2. Never attempted to challenge the Victory in supremacy? I'm sorry, how many derbies has Victory won Vs Heart? 3. What makes you think that the personnel at Heart have no desire - drive - passion - enterprise - ambition - foresight and balls? They're still there aren't they? They're still committed to the club aren't they? Even losing money playing at AAMI Park - they still have the drive, passion, ambition, etc etc etc! I even saw Scott Munn sitting a few rows behind me with the rest of the fans in the Newcastle Jets game. 4. It might be "stating the obvious" in your head, but it's only in your head...you just demonstrated just how ignorant you are 5. You say that having Heart in the A-League the fans are 'diluted' in Melbourne? So by getting rid of them do you really think Heart fans will just start going for Victory? lol 6. If they "get rid of them" as you so boldly advised, I will never go to another A-League game again! I never was a Victory fan, I'm never going to be a Victory fan.
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RichmondHeart wrote:19 Oct 2003 South Melb 4-1 Newcastle
Attendance: 3,700
24 Nov 2012 Melbourne Heart 3-3 Newcastle
Attendance: 7,100 How old are you? How stupid are you? How long have you followed soccer in this country for? What is your whole point with the above example? That is as dumb and simplistic analogy/example you'll find on this forum and that's saying something. It's like me arguing that SMFC is a bigger and better club than MV because we have won more national titles than them. Fucking moronic argument.
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6) this point proves that you dont really care about the sport red and kat...so your trying to tell me that once your ethnic red/white olympiakos in disguise club leaves the A league you wont do whats best for the game and support MV? how selfish!
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SMFC and proud wrote:RichmondHeart wrote:19 Oct 2003 South Melb 4-1 Newcastle
Attendance: 3,700
24 Nov 2012 Melbourne Heart 3-3 Newcastle
Attendance: 7,100 How old are you? How stupid are you? How long have you followed soccer in this country for? What is your whole point with the above example? That is as dumb and simplistic analogy/example you'll find on this forum and that's saying something. It's like me arguing that SMFC is a bigger and better club than MV because we have won more national titles than them. Fucking moronic argument. and as i pointed out to him, the newcastle of 2003 were playing in front of 1500 ppl a week, they were a nothing club at the time. 4-1...good result:lol:
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southmelb wrote:6) this point proves that you dont really care about the sport red and kat...so your trying to tell me that once your ethnic red/white olympiakos in disguise club leaves the A league you wont do whats best for the game and support MV? how selfish! Lol, I'd rather go watch the Renegades...keeping with the red theme ;)
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Red_or_Dead wrote:southmelb wrote:6) this point proves that you dont really care about the sport red and kat...so your trying to tell me that once your ethnic red/white olympiakos in disguise club leaves the A league you wont do whats best for the game and support MV? how selfish! Lol, I'd rather go watch the Renegades...keeping with the red theme ;) Thats one step further then picking a team based on ethnicity....a colour! you should be ashamed! why cant you be inclusive of blue,pink, purple, green etc teams? Ok i'll leave you alone now, just wanna experience what its like from the other side of the fence:lol:
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chris wrote:BackFour wrote:chris wrote:BackFour wrote:chris wrote:BackFour wrote:To the OP - HAL is not going back to including mono- ethnic clubs.
Which is the only way SMFC could hope to surpass MH attendances - so troll all you like.
SMFC is irrelevant to the future of the game here, despite supporters like you, who were hoping for a poor TV deal to cause instability that you hoped mono-ethnic clubs could exploit in an attempt to get back into the spot light.
We respect the contribution of SMFC and the other clubs - but just like Hakoah, Polonia, JUST etc, SMFC supporters need to understand that your time in the sun is over, and your brand now longer fits with the direction of the HAL.
As an MV supporters, I am happy to admit even our crowd would have been down yesterday in those atrocious weather conditions. "SMFC is not a mono-ethnic club -> SMFC is a club which has a Greek background and this is very much part of our identity today and we embrace that - it is a club built by Greek migrants to assist with their identity by developing a landmark - the development and prosperity of this club is a gift to the wider community in this country - one which embraces cultural diversity which encourages a positive contribution to this country via our beautiful game.....and that is what makes our club uniquely AUSTRALIAN" How would you describe the Melbourne Heart??? the ONLY way for SMFC to get crowds of the size your suggesting is by appealing to its mono- ethnic roots pure and simple. You can't have it both ways - SMFC can't drop it's mono-ethnic roots and still expect mono-ethnic crowd numbers - Your proposition is totally implausible and illogical. Edited by backfour: 9/12/2012 11:25:03 PMEdited by backfour: 9/12/2012 11:35:06 PM Incorrect smfc will obviously have an attraction to its heritage which in Melbourne gen 1,2 and 3 Melbournians of greek heritage are now approaching 350 - 400k in a city of 4.5 million which is a telling figure and further compounds the strength of the smfc proposalhowever this segment would be a base which is why I said 7k before $1 marketing dollar was even spent - however smfc would also attract other segments for example, a little known fact is smfc has inherited a substantial stake within the MSAC presinct - where lakeside is situated (our home ground)- the culture is diverse as it is loyal with its partners and now represemts 1 of 2 world class sporting precincts in Melbourne of which smfc is an equal partner with the other sporting bodies such as the aquatic centre - the VIS and athletics - these are new comers to football and smfc is the carriage this is recognised widely as our spiritual home and a more than generous lease for the next 40 years - the recyprical benefits with the other sporting bodies - their establishments and their members are fundamental All this before any marketing spend to the general football public or potential fan so what is the smfc proposal???? History - Culture - Location - Differentiation - Prosperity - Partnerships - Establishment and ofcourse diversity Sorry Heart - this is not a bluff - you need to deliver or you are out - smfc is in a genuine position of strength Edited by chris: 10/12/2012 01:18:16 AMEdited by chris: 10/12/2012 01:20:00 AM At least we agree it will be a mono-ethnic - because not withstanding all the platitudes above SMFC has attracted TOKEN support from other groups. Its a Greek brand, plain and simple, and the clubs new proximity has done nothing to attract these NEW groups above you confidently predict will embrace the club. You can spin all you like - there is zero possibility of attracting a diverse enough supporter base that will extinguish SMFC traditional Greek brand- which is the issue for FFA. If you understood marketing you would know the brand can't change. no more than Hyundai could more into a prestige car that could compete with BMW. Brand image is fixed and immutable once established for more than 20 years let alone 50 years as is the case with SMFC. SMFC is suffering death by Irrelevance, and its existence is a inconsequential to the HAL, as Polonia, JUST, Hakoah were to the game when they stopped competing. Your effort to SPIN the facts are understandable but fail to grasp the reality - we have great admiration for the history of SMFC, but it's place is firmly in the past, not the HAL future. you obviously can't read Your agenda is so transparent that despite your best efforts at SPIN you inevitably confuse yourself as you did above, and the agenda becomes plain to It's the simplest and most predictable element in all your debates, eventually your true colours are revealed - remember your "so what's wrong with ethnic chants" statement last year? You can take the boy out of SMFC but you can't take the SMFC out of the boy - proven again by your post further above where you show your complete disdain towards Heart. SMFC is suffering death by irrelevance, it's time in the sun is over, and you'll just have to live with it. Edited by backfour: 10/12/2012 10:24:48 PMEdited by backfour: 10/12/2012 10:34:19 PM
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southmelb wrote:Red_or_Dead wrote:southmelb wrote:6) this point proves that you dont really care about the sport red and kat...so your trying to tell me that once your ethnic red/white olympiakos in disguise club leaves the A league you wont do whats best for the game and support MV? how selfish! Lol, I'd rather go watch the Renegades...keeping with the red theme ;) Thats one step further then picking a team based on ethnicity....a colour! you should be ashamed! why cant you be inclusive of blue,pink, purple, green etc teams? Ok i'll leave you alone now, just wanna experience what its like from the other side of the fence:lol: Funny enough, I lived in Sydney when the A-League was born so I've been to a several Sydney FC games (including THAT Grand Final at Etihad) so I don't mind the skyblue...Or a bit of royal blue during the winter time ;) See you at the souvlaki stand at Lakeside Oval sometime. What's this? An A-League fan who also supports South in the VPL? Is that even allowed? :P
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Reading some of the posts on here just proves how far some want to go to see the game go down the toilet in this country, just to push an agenda.
Hoping for MH to fold is the last thing any football person should be hoping for, given the damage it would do to the game. In the eyes of the media, it would be a very dark day for the game, which they will definitely exploit, and bringing in a club from the dark days of the game will be like shark feeding time. Oh how great that would be.
Sometimes I just think some have no idea how damaged certain brands are, and how toxic they are in the memories of many. Trying to pretend to be anything else will just be window dressing and saying otherwise is purely naive at best.
Oh well, on with the never ending hate show that any thread like this becomes...
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SMFC and proud wrote:RichmondHeart wrote:19 Oct 2003 South Melb 4-1 Newcastle
Attendance: 3,700
24 Nov 2012 Melbourne Heart 3-3 Newcastle
Attendance: 7,100 How old are you? How stupid are you? How long have you followed soccer in this country for? What is your whole point with the above example? That is as dumb and simplistic analogy/example you'll find on this forum and that's saying something. It's like me arguing that SMFC is a bigger and better club than MV because we have won more national titles than them. Fucking moronic argument. Wasnt your other ethnic pal using the same style of comparison on page 3?
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aufc_ole wrote:SMFC and proud wrote:RichmondHeart wrote:19 Oct 2003 South Melb 4-1 Newcastle
Attendance: 3,700
24 Nov 2012 Melbourne Heart 3-3 Newcastle
Attendance: 7,100 How old are you? How stupid are you? How long have you followed soccer in this country for? What is your whole point with the above example? That is as dumb and simplistic analogy/example you'll find on this forum and that's saying something. It's like me arguing that SMFC is a bigger and better club than MV because we have won more national titles than them. Fucking moronic argument. Wasnt your other ethnic pal using the same style of comparison on page 3? :-$ don't remind them of their hypocrisy.
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Heart_fan wrote:Reading some of the posts on here just proves how far some want to go to see the game go down the toilet in this country, just to push an agenda.
Hoping for MH to fold is the last thing any football person should be hoping for, given the damage it would do to the game. In the eyes of the media, it would be a very dark day for the game, which they will definitely exploit, and bringing in a club from the dark days of the game will be like shark feeding time. Oh how great that would be.
Sometimes I just think some have no idea how damaged certain brands are, and how toxic they are in the memories of many. Trying to pretend to be anything else will just be window dressing and saying otherwise is purely naive at best.
Oh well, on with the never ending hate show that any thread like this becomes...
You are 100% with your Post - the spoilers were also hoping for a BAD TV deal so that HAL would be weakened and OLD soccer could return. Fortunately the fantastic new deal means MH have a life line - and the flickering light of OLD Soccer has been extinguished. As an MV fan I want to see a strong MH because it's good for the game, and is a sign of progress of the sport. OLD soccer made their contribution - NEW Football can now build on this legacy.
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I can't believe there's 9 pages of this nonsense too to be honest!
Heart's not going anywhere! It'd be catastrophic in just about every aspect for football in Australia, let alone Victoria so I'm sure even after getting a crowd of 4,505 on a 37 degree, windy and stormy evening no one other than some sad, ignorant people want Heart to fail or be replaced.
Victory has been around for 8 years and has 18k odd members after enjoying a 5 year head start and exclusive access to Victorian football fans, plus several appearances by arguably the greatest footballer Australia has produced.
Heart is 3 years old and growing nicely. I'm sure in 5 years we too might be close to having 18k members...now all we need is Beckham to give that growth a bit of a boost this season and Bresciano to kick some goals for us next season! ;) hehe
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Red_or_Dead wrote:I'm sure in 5 years we too might be close to having 18k members... 
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Boys,
Don't use the word MEMBER
A league supporters are actually CUSTOMERS !!
Just buy your ticket & support your local friendly Aleague Shareholder.
Only 6 members can vote about the Hearts direction.... That's the owners.
The model is flawed. The AFL tried it, doesn't work !!
In our culture member based organisations work best.
I don't support Syd, why ?? Cause I have no say, no vote, no attachment.
Think of it as going to a 'monster truck show'..... Pay your money, buy a tshirt and pretend your a member of a truck fan club, !!
Once they open up relegation in 4 years time, the shareholders value will be destroyed across the entire league.
The model is flawed and actually quite tragic.
I can see why the Sth MEMBERS are so attached.... They vote, they have a say, they feel they belong to a club.... THEIR CLUB.
All the rest of us are customers !!!
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Stallion wrote:Boys,
Don't use the word MEMBER
A league supporters are actually CUSTOMERS !! Shook Di Pietro's hand at the Member's Forum today and chatted one on one about a few issues for the club. I'm a member. Victory is a Football Club. Heart fans can speak for themselves, however. Edited by paladisious: 11/12/2012 03:44:40 AM
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Axelv wrote:4 types of people in this thread.
Heart Supporters: Denying that there is anything wrong with the current situation
Victory Supporters: Want Heart to fold, and support South Melbourne entering the A-League as a rival
South Melbourne Supporters: Want to enter the A-League and show the Heart how to run a football club
And Non Victorians: Old Socckah out of A-League! SMFC is Mono effniks, violence, etc! :lol: Actually if you've been reading the thread at all you'd see that most mv supporters actually want heart to stay (for the time being at least).
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Melb Victory fans are only customers too !!
You've missed the point.... We are all customers in this Franchise model.
Melb Victory does NOT have members.... Only the 13 or so shareholders are members.
The rest of u down in Melbourne are CUSTOMERS forking out money to line the pockets of the owners.
Wake up !!
Were all being taken for a ride!!
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South Melbourne Attendances
2002/03
4156
6194
6027
8997 (Knights)
4972
4250
4010
4236
5080
4013
4050
3565
Average 4,963
Median 4,243
2003/04
7250
3750
5950
8359 (Knights)
5005
4125
10005
6780
5750
11642
8120
5250
Finals
6063
Average: 6,832
Average inc finals: 6,773
Median: 6,063
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southmelb
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BackFour wrote:Heart_fan wrote:Reading some of the posts on here just proves how far some want to go to see the game go down the toilet in this country, just to push an agenda.
Hoping for MH to fold is the last thing any football person should be hoping for, given the damage it would do to the game. In the eyes of the media, it would be a very dark day for the game, which they will definitely exploit, and bringing in a club from the dark days of the game will be like shark feeding time. Oh how great that would be.
Sometimes I just think some have no idea how damaged certain brands are, and how toxic they are in the memories of many. Trying to pretend to be anything else will just be window dressing and saying otherwise is purely naive at best.
Oh well, on with the never ending hate show that any thread like this becomes...
You are 100% with your Post - the spoilers were also hoping for a BAD TV deal so that HAL would be weakened and OLD soccer could return. Fortunately the fantastic new deal means MH have a life line - and the flickering light of OLD Soccer has been extinguished. As an MV fan I want to see a strong MH because it's good for the game, and is a sign of progress of the sport. OLD soccer made their contribution - NEW Football can now build on this legacy. It really is sad that you as an agenda driven ex smfc supporter have to continually drive this old soccer/new football wedge. I also think the new the tv deal is great, and in case you havent noticed smfc is the only club in Victoria that has backed the national ffa curriculum, however the new tv deal will not be as great as it should be if its used to permanantly help bail out a club like the Heart, i'd be saying the same thing if it was my club as well, a club needs to be able to stand on its own 2 feet and not be spoon fed because eventually a time will come where the ffa will not be able to put its resources into keeping clubs afloat, running the west sydney franchise is already a steep exercise. None of us want "old soccer" to return, nor do we want "new football" to continue on its current path or ignoring the past....we want the sport to be united, this can only happen when the gates are opened just like they were in the 90s when a rush of mainstream clubs joined the nsl and ended up being over half the league.
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chris wrote:southmelb wrote:rusty wrote:chris wrote:
South will give the Victory a true run for its money - not be a bridesmaid like the Heart are
Ha ha good one.:lol: Last season of nsl v Heart currently South Melbourne v Brisbane Strikers - crowd 7,250 Melbourne Heart v Brisbane Roar - crowd 5, 466 South Melbourne v Perth Glory - crowd 11,642 Melbourne Heart v Perth Glory - crowd 4,500 South Melbourne v Parramata Power (west sydney club) - crowd 10,005 Melbourne Heart v West Sydney - wont be 10,000 thats for sure South Melbourne v Adelaide United - crowd 8,359 Melbourne Heart v Adelaide United - ?? South Melbourne v wollongong wolves (regional club) crowd 6,950 Melbourne Heart v Central Coast Mariners - crowd 6,357 Do you really wanna talk about core support? i have just given you factual evidence of the dying days of the nsl when it was almost amateur, certainly not on tv and most of the clubs knew they were gonna be thrown out, yet somehow smfc seems to have more mainstream appeal based on the above...and we didnt have MV to boost our figures! I think its fairly clear to see where the upside is. LUV your work - numbers don't lie worth mentioning smfc's numbers were in a busted comp and a much smaller fascility with no coverage unlike what the MH enjoy today Good Work! but you forgot: SM - Football Kingz (auckland) - 5,005 MelbourneH - Wellington Phoenix - 10,907 SM - Newcastle United - 3,750 MelbourneH - Newcastle Jets - 7,125 SM - Melbourne Knights - 8120 MelbourneH - MV - Will be 25,000+ If youre going to list some figures list them all! Flogs!
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Heart_fan wrote:Reading some of the posts on here just proves how far some want to go to see the game go down the toilet in this country, just to push an agenda.
Hoping for MH to fold is the last thing any football person should be hoping for, given the damage it would do to the game. The league is stronger than a club that struggles to draw even 7000 (including many free giveaways and club officials scanning in unused tickets) and that has no true identity beyond being "not Victory". Other teams have folded and the league continues, Melbourne has it's team already. If there's to be a second team here, let it be one that has some substance, not just rhetoric that changes as the wind blows ("youth", "European style" blah blah blah). Edited by sugoibaka: 11/12/2012 10:05:01 AM
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