In another words - you refuse to accept my full comment that you have an interest in Hellas whilst most here do not. That's a good enough answer.

I'm curious, you say you liked the big crowds and was a casual spectator when Hellas was in the NSL however since then thousands of its supporters have abandoned the club to just a few hundred. So how is and what is it that makes you continue that association if you haven't got anything to gain by being a "casual supporter" in a depleted club playing inferior football?

Go on, confess!

Keep those reality checks comming Paul as we head to 100 pages.

Benjamin works hard behind the scene to get his way. It is in his selfish interest to keep the topic of a Hellas return by keeping it alive despite the concerns you have rightly raised.

Benjamin has a clear conflict of interest with his moderator duties despite his denials.

I only comment immediately after the Hellas propaganda hits the front page. It's not me that's bumping it.

The expansion thread is for this kind of shit

Replacement won't expand anything

As written in the index "Discussion of A-League expansion including market share, potential franchises, viability of existing franchises, history of previous franchises, etc."

STILL waiting to hear how its in my interest to keep the subject alive - and still baffled that you try to pretend that your comments aren't posted in order to elicit a response and thus keep the thread alive. If the pro-Heart or anti-South groups really wanted to this topic to die, all they have to do is ignore it. Interesting that you can't.

Would love to know what I am doing 'behind the scene' too - I think my activities on this forum are all extremely open for all to see.

And once again, because you never seem to get it, it is not the duty of the moderators on this forum to be neutral. Our only duty is to ensure that the conduct of other forum members is kept in line. There has been no abuse, no swearing, no threats, etc., on this thread.

I'm pretty sure that after all this time - if there was an issue with the way I handled my mod duties, one of the mods, or one of the 442 guys, would have said something.

You keep ignoring my comments, I said I only respond when the propaganda keeps hitting the front page. It is your and your fellow Hellas members tactics, not mine.

Many have complained about the appropratness of these discussion in this forum. You seem to battle every step to ensure it stays alive.

Because it appears you have some reading deficiency when it suits, here's one of them pointing the finger at you! Happy reading.



Indeed, you do step in. To keep the cause alive.

And you say you have no conflict. :oops:

Confess what?

I went to games, I enjoyed it, I kept going. I'm not responsible for supporters who stopped going. Perhaps the very fact (that you hate) that I wasn't onboard during the title winning days meant that watching the club in the State league didn't bother me in the way it bothered long time followers. Perhaps the fact that I was watching the club because I liked them, rather than to watch top league football had something to do with it (this may be Eurosnobby, but having watched football at a far higher standard than the A-League from age 8 to 29 going to games here was never about 'quality' football).

So - I'm still waiting to hear what the 'interest' is - other than being a supporter (which I've never denied). You inferred before that I stand to gain from my interest - in what way?

Edited by Benjamin: 5/2/2013 04:32:02 PM

Why does it sound like you're not telling it all but rather some deflective bullshit?

Edited by paulc: 5/2/2013 04:33:43 PM

Benj

Is there a keepy-up wager going on at 442 ? you seem to be using paulc as the ball.

Because you don't like it?

He doesn't seem to realise. ;)

97 pages - Chris, I think you're gonna get your century.

Edited by Benjamin: 5/2/2013 04:33:49 PM

Your original comment was "why do it sound like bullshit?" - nice of you to try and tidy up.

Deflective in what way? Again, you make a comment which infers some hidden secrets and agendas... Are you THAT paranoid?

You ask a question... I answer it... You don't like the answer... Suddenly it's bullshit.

Please tell me you haven't got Rado working out all this stuff for you.

Edited by Benjamin: 5/2/2013 04:36:58 PM

:lol:

Shit, a few more pages and SMFC will even trump the WSW supporters' thread!

NRMAIWSWFC Out -> SXFCSMFC In

Not that I care either way, but for the record I believe that gabgabgab39 (who is apparently a Victory supporter) was one of the people who kept bumping this thread up the list. It wasn't always SMFC supporters.

This thread

Actually his thread has also introduced some new posters

Smfc some stimulating activity

Propaganda is every where!

Strange that none of the other moderators have seen fit to close the thread either - perhaps because no rules have been broken?

Still haven't a clue how there can be a conflict of interest - no rules have been broken, so no action is required. If I allowed threatening behavior, foul or abusive language or the like by South fans, whilst banning anti-South fans THAT would be an abuse of power caused by a conflict of interests - however to date I haven't banned anyone in the anti-South camp, in fact the only person I can recall banning was a South fan who was being abusive to non-South supporters.

Well that's a bit diffcult Ben when the moderator is South fan

Perhaps if you supported another team this thread might have taken a different turn.

I think you're spot on.

I will highlight this comment for two reasons;

1. The assumption here is that Heart is not pulling crowds due to "..the clubs operations and performance.......".

So they are doing something wrong. Here in lies the commentary about Heart's "relevance" and "identity" in the current footballing landscape, as identified by Football Media Commentators and of course many forumites on 442.

So we are agreed that Heart has issues that no-one can deny.

2. So the question from Chri's point of view, as a SMFC supporter, is can SMFC do a better job? Of course he and others like myself believe the answer is yes, due to the many external factors that now dominate the game.

Now leaving these two key points I have come to the conclusion that the introduction of SMFC to the A-League with the retention of Heart of course, will increase Heart's ability to generate cashlows by having three home derbies per season.
That many A-League Clubs with NSL history will also benefit by having games against an old nemesis.
That the strength of the game right now is Melbourne, the crowds, the sponsorships, the media interest is here. This will help grow the game and SMFC is well placed in infrastructure terms, financial backing and its current brand is still strong enough to allow it into the A-League running on all cylinders.

It may also have the follow effects of;
a) improving the unity of the game
b) set an acheivable bench mark either for former traditional older clubs to make changes in an evolutionary way to also acheive A-League status if so inclined. Or set a precedent for more investment in the second tier clubs who may also be ambitious enough to seek A-League Status.

Well take you complaint's further if you think you've been aggrievied or treated unfairly.

You mean work it behind the scenes like two minute Ben does? Not my style.

Now your being silly. If you don't make a formal complaint, then all you're doing is an attempt at attacking a moderators personal character hoping the mud will stick and his credibility is brought down and that is wrong.

Unless Chris is the last person to respond on this thread, this topic will never die.

Even if Benjamin or Arthur have the last comment, Chris will always have the last word...especially to keep propping this thread up on the first page.

So from here on, I will not reply and I encourage and advise all Heart (if not ALL HAL) fans to not fuel these gentlemen's unrealistic dreams and fantasies any longer. Without our involvement, then a topic about SMFC should only be discussed in the "State League Football" forum.

MHFC = HAL and here to stay
SMFC = VPL and there to stay - Deal with it.

Thread closed.