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chris
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Again MH fans hiding in the Forrest
please focus on Heart minus derbies
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sugoibaka
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chris wrote:Again MH fans hiding in the Forrest
please focus on Heart minus derbies
6600 per game, by my estimation. That includes many free tickets, and Heart club officials scanning in unused tickets after the game (this has been witnessed at AAMI).
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tbitm
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chris wrote:Melbourne should have 3 teams atleast -
I disagree with the statement that Melbourne Heart need to average 15k fans to consider having a 3rd team due to the pace of their development Chris, I like you actually agree. And i don't believe that 15k is the threshold before it should become a real discussion. But it is about 10k minus the derbies. If we continue growing at the rate we are at now, it should take about 7-10 years. But i personally believe that it would only take 1 year if we had a Major Premiership or a Grand Final win and then the attendance would stay that way even if we have a shit season like we're having now.
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tbitm
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sugoibaka wrote:chris wrote:Again MH fans hiding in the Forrest
please focus on Heart minus derbies
6600 per game, by my estimation. That includes many free tickets, and Heart club officials scanning in unused tickets after the game (this has been witnessed at AAMI). Thats kinda stupid doing it after the game considering they announce the attendance during it :-k
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rusty
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chris wrote:If south even in the VPL played in summer and without marketing hype would get 3-4k :lol:
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sugoibaka
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tbitm wrote:sugoibaka wrote:chris wrote:Again MH fans hiding in the Forrest
please focus on Heart minus derbies
6600 per game, by my estimation. That includes many free tickets, and Heart club officials scanning in unused tickets after the game (this has been witnessed at AAMI). Thats kinda stupid doing it after the game considering they announce the attendance during it :-k May have been during the game, I'm not sure, but people who work at AAMI have seen it happen.
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tbitm wrote:jlm8695 wrote:tbitm wrote:chris wrote:so the Heart are successful guys???
I don't think this thread would be more than 10 pages if the Heart were buzzing.....nor would the title have been such an issue to some of the guys
i am not talking about football performance either but rather the model
perhaps you should change the title to 41203=MHFC in. There is no other game in the country that can get this crow for a league match if heart weren't in the league. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Considering the fact it's not even the highest attended regular season match, I don't know how you can make a comment like that. The melbourne derbies currently hold the 2 highest attendances, this season and if heart didn't exist the highest attendance would probably be 36k at the first adp game and thats a simple fact. Edited by tbitm: 7/2/2013 03:50:11 AM "No other game in the country that can get this crowd for a league match" MVFC V Sydney- League match: 50,333 MVFC V Sydney- League Match: 40,351 MVFC V Sydney- League Match: 39,730 Edited by jlm8695: 7/2/2013 02:20:38 PM
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tbitm
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jlm8695 wrote:tbitm wrote:jlm8695 wrote:tbitm wrote:chris wrote:so the Heart are successful guys???
I don't think this thread would be more than 10 pages if the Heart were buzzing.....nor would the title have been such an issue to some of the guys
i am not talking about football performance either but rather the model
perhaps you should change the title to 41203=MHFC in. There is no other game in the country that can get this crow for a league match if heart weren't in the league. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Considering the fact it's not even the highest attended regular season match, I don't know how you can make a comment like that. The melbourne derbies currently hold the 2 highest attendances, this season and if heart didn't exist the highest attendance would probably be 36k at the first adp game and thats a simple fact. Edited by tbitm: 7/2/2013 03:50:11 AM "No other game in the country that can get this crowd for a league match" MVFC V Sydney- League match: 50,333 MVFC V Sydney- League Match: 40,351 MVFC V Sydney- League Match: 39,730 Edited by jlm8695: 7/2/2013 02:20:38 PM I obviously meant this year, other wise i wouldn't say 36k for the first ADP game at SFS. The only game that would've got 42k or above would be if MVvSFC were at Etihad, but that would only be because of ADP and that isn't reliable as he might onl stay one more year tops. The Melbourne Derby is reliable to get 40k now
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GGfortythree
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tbitm wrote:
So yes the game is growing since Melbourne Heart joined.
Yes, but that has nothing to do with MH.
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GGfortythree
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tbitm wrote:jlm8695 wrote:tbitm wrote:jlm8695 wrote:tbitm wrote:chris wrote:so the Heart are successful guys???
I don't think this thread would be more than 10 pages if the Heart were buzzing.....nor would the title have been such an issue to some of the guys
i am not talking about football performance either but rather the model
perhaps you should change the title to 41203=MHFC in. There is no other game in the country that can get this crow for a league match if heart weren't in the league. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Considering the fact it's not even the highest attended regular season match, I don't know how you can make a comment like that. The melbourne derbies currently hold the 2 highest attendances, this season and if heart didn't exist the highest attendance would probably be 36k at the first adp game and thats a simple fact. Edited by tbitm: 7/2/2013 03:50:11 AM "No other game in the country that can get this crowd for a league match" MVFC V Sydney- League match: 50,333 MVFC V Sydney- League Match: 40,351 MVFC V Sydney- League Match: 39,730 Edited by jlm8695: 7/2/2013 02:20:38 PM I obviously meant this year, other wise i wouldn't say 36k for the first ADP game at SFS. The only game that would've got 42k or above would be if MVvSFC were at Etihad, but that would only be because of ADP and that isn't reliable as he might onl stay one more year tops. The Melbourne Derby is reliable to get 40k now We get the extra numbers for derbies not because we come out in force, but because the MH derby goers come out in force. It would've been exactly the same if SXFC was the second Melbourne Team (although they may have had more regular fans).
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tbitm
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gabgabgab39 wrote:tbitm wrote:
So yes the game is growing since Melbourne Heart joined.
Yes, but that has nothing to do with MH. It's undeniable. Melbourne went down from season 2 to 5 by 5% and Melbourne has gone up 41% since Heart joined. Do you think MV would be averaging ~31k now if Heart weren't in the League?
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GGfortythree
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tbitm wrote:gabgabgab39 wrote:tbitm wrote:
So yes the game is growing since Melbourne Heart joined.
Yes, but that has nothing to do with MH. It's undeniable. Melbourne went down from season 2 to 5 by 5% and Melbourne has gone up 41% since Heart joined. Do you think MV would be averaging ~31k now if Heart weren't in the League? Yes
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tbitm
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gabgabgab39 wrote:tbitm wrote:gabgabgab39 wrote:tbitm wrote:
So yes the game is growing since Melbourne Heart joined.
Yes, but that has nothing to do with MH. It's undeniable. Melbourne went down from season 2 to 5 by 5% and Melbourne has gone up 41% since Heart joined. Do you think MV would be averaging ~31k now if Heart weren't in the League? Yes You do know that 7 games would be at aami park where at best would average 24k at over the 7 games as the small games would go here. you would then been to average about 40k. I reckon you're trolling, cause otherwise you're full of shit.
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tbitm
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gabgabgab39 wrote:tbitm wrote:gabgabgab39 wrote:tbitm wrote:
So yes the game is growing since Melbourne Heart joined.
Yes, but that has nothing to do with MH. It's undeniable. Melbourne went down from season 2 to 5 by 5% and Melbourne has gone up 41% since Heart joined. Do you think MV would be averaging ~31k now if Heart weren't in the League? Yes You do know that 7 games would be at aami park where at best would average 24k at over the 7 games as the small games would go here. you would then been to average about 40k. I reckon you're trolling, cause otherwise you're full of shit.
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tbitm
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Barca4Life wrote:Ill put 5 bucks on this thread will go over 100 pages! :lol: Did anyone take you on your offer?
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GGfortythree
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100 Pages, Yay
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tbitm wrote:gabgabgab39 wrote:tbitm wrote:gabgabgab39 wrote:tbitm wrote:
So yes the game is growing since Melbourne Heart joined.
Yes, but that has nothing to do with MH. It's undeniable. Melbourne went down from season 2 to 5 by 5% and Melbourne has gone up 41% since Heart joined. Do you think MV would be averaging ~31k now if Heart weren't in the League? Yes You do know that 7 games would be at aami park where at best would average 24k at over the 7 games as the small games would go here. you would then been to average about 40k. I reckon you're trolling, cause otherwise you're full of shit. If there were no Melbourne Heart, the probabilities are there would be another Melbourne team.
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tbitm
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jlm8695 wrote:tbitm wrote:gabgabgab39 wrote:tbitm wrote:gabgabgab39 wrote:tbitm wrote:
So yes the game is growing since Melbourne Heart joined.
Yes, but that has nothing to do with MH. It's undeniable. Melbourne went down from season 2 to 5 by 5% and Melbourne has gone up 41% since Heart joined. Do you think MV would be averaging ~31k now if Heart weren't in the League? Yes You do know that 7 games would be at aami park where at best would average 24k at over the 7 games as the small games would go here. you would then been to average about 40k. I reckon you're trolling, cause otherwise you're full of shit. If there were no Melbourne Heart, the probabilities are there would be another Melbourne team. They weren't gonna put SXFC in as they just built this new stadium that the aleague wanted to play a lot of matches in so it would've jet been then same as what we have now except with a different name and different strip.
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i just wanted to post in page 100, we did it guys!!
*raises bat*
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jak
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sugoibaka wrote:Without the Derby your average is 6600. You don't bring much at all to the table in and of yourselves.
It wouldn't take long for another team to generate a similar rivalry - the evidence is what happened with your very own team.
I daresay a new rival would be smarter and actually market itself as different to Victory in meaningful ways, not just ephemeral catch-cries of "different coach", "no Muscat", false "youth policy", "European football", "red not blue". THIS
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tbitm wrote:jlm8695 wrote:tbitm wrote:gabgabgab39 wrote:tbitm wrote:gabgabgab39 wrote:tbitm wrote:
So yes the game is growing since Melbourne Heart joined.
Yes, but that has nothing to do with MH. It's undeniable. Melbourne went down from season 2 to 5 by 5% and Melbourne has gone up 41% since Heart joined. Do you think MV would be averaging ~31k now if Heart weren't in the League? Yes You do know that 7 games would be at aami park where at best would average 24k at over the 7 games as the small games would go here. you would then been to average about 40k. I reckon you're trolling, cause otherwise you're full of shit. If there were no Melbourne Heart, the probabilities are there would be another Melbourne team. They weren't gonna put SXFC in as they just built this new stadium that the aleague wanted to play a lot of matches in so it would've jet been then same as what we have now except with a different name and different strip. Only with a different structure, management team and without the fake policies (attractive football, youth).
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kitsoasis
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jak wrote:sugoibaka wrote:Without the Derby your average is 6600. You don't bring much at all to the table in and of yourselves.
It wouldn't take long for another team to generate a similar rivalry - the evidence is what happened with your very own team.
I daresay a new rival would be smarter and actually market itself as different to Victory in meaningful ways, not just ephemeral catch-cries of "different coach", "no Muscat", false "youth policy", "European football", "red not blue". THIS I agree with the bolded points. But despite MH's failings so far, a bit of continuity in the league instead of turfing a team every few years would be nice...
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jak
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kitsoasis wrote:jak wrote:sugoibaka wrote:Without the Derby your average is 6600. You don't bring much at all to the table in and of yourselves.
It wouldn't take long for another team to generate a similar rivalry - the evidence is what happened with your very own team.
I daresay a new rival would be smarter and actually market itself as different to Victory in meaningful ways, not just ephemeral catch-cries of "different coach", "no Muscat", false "youth policy", "European football", "red not blue". THIS I agree with the bolded points. But despite MH's failings so far, a bit of continuity in the league instead of turfing a team every few years would be nice... I agree with you. I am not suggesting Heart get turfed out, but they need to acknowledge what was said above and change their club model, in order to draw more support from the large Melbourne market.
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kitsoasis wrote:jak wrote:sugoibaka wrote:Without the Derby your average is 6600. You don't bring much at all to the table in and of yourselves.
It wouldn't take long for another team to generate a similar rivalry - the evidence is what happened with your very own team.
I daresay a new rival would be smarter and actually market itself as different to Victory in meaningful ways, not just ephemeral catch-cries of "different coach", "no Muscat", false "youth policy", "European football", "red not blue". THIS I agree with the bolded points. But despite MH's failings so far, a bit of continuity in the league instead of turfing a team every few years would be nice... Heart aren't going to be getting turfed, would say that they are quite safe. Look to be breaking even for this season and FFA covering the cap will make the Heart's financial situation even better. Hopefully they are able to get their act together and bring more people to their games. Would think that next season, Heart would be making a big push to get more people through the gates.
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jak wrote:kitsoasis wrote:jak wrote:sugoibaka wrote:Without the Derby your average is 6600. You don't bring much at all to the table in and of yourselves.
It wouldn't take long for another team to generate a similar rivalry - the evidence is what happened with your very own team.
I daresay a new rival would be smarter and actually market itself as different to Victory in meaningful ways, not just ephemeral catch-cries of "different coach", "no Muscat", false "youth policy", "European football", "red not blue". THIS I agree with the bolded points. But despite MH's failings so far, a bit of continuity in the league instead of turfing a team every few years would be nice... I agree with you. I am not suggesting Heart get turfed out, but they need to acknowledge what was said above and change their club model, in order to draw more support from the large Melbourne market. They have.
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Ali07 wrote:kitsoasis wrote:jak wrote:sugoibaka wrote:Without the Derby your average is 6600. You don't bring much at all to the table in and of yourselves.
It wouldn't take long for another team to generate a similar rivalry - the evidence is what happened with your very own team.
I daresay a new rival would be smarter and actually market itself as different to Victory in meaningful ways, not just ephemeral catch-cries of "different coach", "no Muscat", false "youth policy", "European football", "red not blue". THIS I agree with the bolded points. But despite MH's failings so far, a bit of continuity in the league instead of turfing a team every few years would be nice... Heart aren't going to be getting turfed, would say that they are quite safe. Look to be breaking even for this season and FFA covering the cap will make the Heart's financial situation even better. Hopefully they are able to get their act together and bring more people to their games. Would think that next season, Heart would be making a big push to get more people through the gates. Do you know what that biggest push would be? Winning silverware! Heart knows it's not a Field of Dreams scenario, "If you build it, he will come"...it's about "if you win it, they will come" ;)
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jak
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Red_or_Dead wrote:jak wrote:kitsoasis wrote:jak wrote:sugoibaka wrote:Without the Derby your average is 6600. You don't bring much at all to the table in and of yourselves.
It wouldn't take long for another team to generate a similar rivalry - the evidence is what happened with your very own team.
I daresay a new rival would be smarter and actually market itself as different to Victory in meaningful ways, not just ephemeral catch-cries of "different coach", "no Muscat", false "youth policy", "European football", "red not blue". THIS I agree with the bolded points. But despite MH's failings so far, a bit of continuity in the league instead of turfing a team every few years would be nice... I agree with you. I am not suggesting Heart get turfed out, but they need to acknowledge what was said above and change their club model, in order to draw more support from the large Melbourne market. They have. How have they changed their club model?
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jak wrote:Red_or_Dead wrote:jak wrote:I agree with you. I am not suggesting Heart get turfed out, but they need to acknowledge what was said above and change their club model, in order to draw more support from the large Melbourne market.
They have. How have they changed their club model? "...they need to acknowledge what was said above...", they have.
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tbitm wrote:Barca4Life wrote:Ill put 5 bucks on this thread will go over 100 pages! :lol: Did anyone take you on your offer? No sadly :(
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jak
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Red_or_Dead wrote:jak wrote:Red_or_Dead wrote:jak wrote:I agree with you. I am not suggesting Heart get turfed out, but they need to acknowledge what was said above and change their club model, in order to draw more support from the large Melbourne market.
They have. How have they changed their club model? "...they need to acknowledge what was said above...", they have. Okay, so what are they doing to correct it? Or tell me what you think they should do to improve their crowds?
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