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Reasonable doubt?
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Krackovich
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afromanGT wrote:They must have a pretty open and shut case if they're playing for premeditation. I saw in the paper that the prosecutors said it doesn't need months of planning to be premeditated, that even if he thought it was a burglar, he shot with the intention of killing and that can classify as premeditated. sydneycroatia58 wrote:
Apparently he attacked her with a cricket bat and shot her in the hip, she locked herself in the bathroom and he shot her through the door.
Pistorius claims he shot her through the locked toilet door then used the cricket bat to smash it open when he realised it was her in there. I don't believe him but I think it'll be hard to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that his story is wrong
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So many facets of the story seem to differ or contrast on particular details which makes it hard to draw a picture of what actually happened imo, that being said I know it's innocent until proven guilty but he's going to have a tough time of it.
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Going to be OJ all over again. Don't buy his story, seems too implausible (how can you be aware enough to remember that maintenance left ladders outside but not notice your girlfriend was not lying next to you?) but don't think the prosecution will be able to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt.
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afromanGT wrote:They must have a pretty open and shut case if they're playing for premeditation. Well obviously they're confident. It's not like it was the detectives who were stumped. 8-[
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Quote:Murder suspect Oscar Pistorius facing further guns charges while court hears evidence of fatal night Killing suspect Oscar Pistorius is a flight risk and should not be granted bail, South African police argued in court Wednesday. Pistorius is charged with premeditated murder for the Valentine's Day shooting death of girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp with a 9mm pistol. Pistorius asserted in a court affidavit Tuesday that the shooting was accidental and he thought the model was an intruder in his home. Police officer Hilton Botha alleged in the star athlete's bail hearing Wednesday that Pistorius illegally possessed .38-caliber ammunition in a safe in his bedroom. The policeman testified that Pistorius did not have a license for a .38-caliber weapon and consequently possession of that ammunition was illegal. The detective said that all Pistorius would say after the shooting was "he thought it was a burglar.'' Botha also said a witness told police he heard gunshots, a woman screaming and then more shots on the night Steenkamp was gunned down. However, Pistorius' defence team then went on the attack during cross-examination, which revealed the witness was 600m away. Botha told the court he arrived at Pistorius's luxury home in Pretoria at 4.15am to find the athlete's girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp, lying dead at the bottom of the stairs "wearing shorts and covered in towels". In other evidence, Botha told the court that Pistorius had threatened a man at a race-track "over a girl" and said he would "f--- him up." The investigating officer said the man was so scared by Pistorius's alleged threats, he consulted a lawyer. In an additional revelation Wednesday, police said they found two boxes of testosterone and needles in the Pistorius' bedroom. Pistorius' defense lawyer, Barry Roux, said the substance found in the bedroom was a "herbal remedy'' not a steroid and not a banned substance. Prosecutor Gerrie Nel said police are not saying that Pistorius used the substance, simply that it was found in his bedroom. Earlier, Nel told the court the prosecution team had a witness who had heard non-stop shouting coming from Pistorius's luxury home on the night Steenkamp was gunned down, between 2am and 3am. Pistorius became the first Paralympian runner to compete at the Olympic Games in London last year. Pistorius, 26, has insisted he shot the 29-year-old Steenkamp by mistake, fearing there was an intruder in his gated and guarded luxury complex in the capital, Pretoria. http://www.foxsports.com.au/other-sports/murder-suspect-oscar-pistorius-facing-further-guns-charges-while-court-hears-evidence-of-fatal-night/story-e6frf56c-1226582270574#.USTLq6UwpFU
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Krackovich wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:
Apparently he attacked her with a cricket bat and shot her in the hip, she locked herself in the bathroom and he shot her through the door.
Pistorius claims he shot her through the locked toilet door then used the cricket bat to smash it open when he realised it was her in there. I don't believe him but I think it'll be hard to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that his story is wrong That was the story I heard today. And I was thinking "Exactly how stupid do you have to be...?"
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afromanGT wrote:Krackovich wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:
Apparently he attacked her with a cricket bat and shot her in the hip, she locked herself in the bathroom and he shot her through the door.
Pistorius claims he shot her through the locked toilet door then used the cricket bat to smash it open when he realised it was her in there. I don't believe him but I think it'll be hard to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that his story is wrong That was the story I heard today. And I was thinking "Exactly how stupid do you have to be...?" Yeah, his whole statement was released and like Scoll said a few posts earlier it doesn't really add up. In another report it said the ballistics apparently showed that he deliberately aimed shots at the toilet, that if he'd just walked at the bathroom door and shot like he claimed then he would've missed her
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First Tiger Woods, then Lance Armstrong, and now Oscar Pistorius. I think Nike should start telling their athletes "Don't Do It"  Edited by neillucas: 21/2/2013 09:38:37 AM
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Been captivating the last 2 nights following court proceedings posted by a number of the journo's inside court
Defence absolutely hammered Botha last night.He was made to look stupid and inept and was quite nervous in the end
Would think that OP will get bail based on yesterday but will be following it closely anyway
It may well be the same gated community that I stayed in , in 2010 although I don't think so judging by the distance to OP'S neighbour
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Oh dear.It's emerged that Botha himself is currently facing criminal charges
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girtXc wrote:Oh dear.It's emerged that Botha himself is currently facing criminal charges For attempted murder no less.
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girtXc wrote:Oh dear.It's emerged that Botha himself is currently facing criminal charges The prosecution have made a meal of this. The witness, the drugs and now this. Their credibility has gone out the window can't see how they're going to prove this beyond reasonable doubt.
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:girtXc wrote:Oh dear.It's emerged that Botha himself is currently facing criminal charges The prosecution have made a meal of this. The witness, the drugs and now this. Their credibility has gone out the window can't see how they're going to prove this beyond reasonable doubt. He's gone on homicide regardless Just a matter of the time he spends in jail
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Crime alleged in 2011,charges dropped in 2012, reinstated yesterday Sounds like a bit of interference within SAPS
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girtXc wrote:Roar_Brisbane wrote:girtXc wrote:Oh dear.It's emerged that Botha himself is currently facing criminal charges The prosecution have made a meal of this. The witness, the drugs and now this. Their credibility has gone out the window can't see how they're going to prove this beyond reasonable doubt. He's gone on homicide regardless Just a matter of the time he spends in jail Well from what we've heard you think he would be. Shooting four times through a locked door seems far to excessive. But there's plenty of twists and turns to come IMO.
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:girtXc wrote:Roar_Brisbane wrote:girtXc wrote:Oh dear.It's emerged that Botha himself is currently facing criminal charges The prosecution have made a meal of this. The witness, the drugs and now this. Their credibility has gone out the window can't see how they're going to prove this beyond reasonable doubt. He's gone on homicide regardless Just a matter of the time he spends in jail Well from what we've heard you think he would be. Shooting four times through a locked door seems far to excessive. But there's plenty of twists and turns to come IMO. He has admitted shooting her Could get off with a suspended sentence at best Barry Roux is very, very good New IO announced in another hour and a half
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Two of the favourites for that Chief IO position are believed to be  
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This could almost be a Shakespearean comedy of errors.
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If you know anything about the crime in South Africa, let alone how bad and corrupt the Police are over there, this whole thing comes as no surprise.
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Incrdible tension as everyone hangs on every word from the judge
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girtXc wrote:Incrdible tension as everyone hangs on every word from the judge How are you keeping up with this Girt?
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:girtXc wrote:Incrdible tension as everyone hangs on every word from the judge How are you keeping up with this Girt? Twitter @barrybateman @BBCAndrewH @AlexCrawfordSky Just been granted bail Talk about milking it for his 2 hours of fame(Judge Nair)
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Been an incredible 25 hours or so of following this
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Bail-R 1,000,000
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:girtXc wrote:Incrdible tension as everyone hangs on every word from the judge How are you keeping up with this Girt? There's a live feed of the trial on the bbc website.
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In a separate incident,brother Carl Pistorious is also charged with culpable homocide
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girtXc wrote:In a separate incident,brother Carl Pistorious is also charged with culpable homocide Imagine being the Pistorious parents. A proud day for the family.
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doubt that would have been the verdict if he was black....
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