I'd say my views are left wing oriented, but I really dont' give a fuck about hurting someone's sensibilities. I'd say your sweeping generalisations aren't necessarily the case ;)

By all means, concern yourselves with a future major demographic shift but don't tell me boat people are causing that shift, that's absolute shite and considering Polemedis' new party bangs on about stopping the boats I thought the comment was appropriate.

Agreed SelectFew, the left here is overrepresented by hippies and not working people who it is supposed to represent. It's like that now in England too which perhaps brought about the discussion we're having. There's not enough jobs for young English people now, how can they compete with harder working immigrants who don't ask for the same standard of living as an Englishman? They'd work for a pound some of these people and live with up to 12 people a house.

It's difficult Ben, England and particularly London has a history of free immigration and the new ideas in politics, law, culture, food etc... We've never had to face such a violent sect of people though and I think that England, in allowing such an unfettered demographic shift, has supported this violent.

There are places in London which are simply no-go zones. Apartheid in practice is alive and well in London.

Noone wants to pick this up?

The debate now seems to have turned to whether we have the right to debate this. Ridiculous, moral cowardice at its worst.

I thought you supported religious expression?
Regardless I believe that even evolution applies to ideology and eventually the weak ideas will be weeded out

I was going to, but it was just so fantastically fucking stupid I didn't bother.

This isn't about religion. It's never about religion. It's about assholes using religion as the vehicle to precipitate being an asshole, like it gives them some kind of moral standing instead of being labelled as crazed dickweeds.

Ohhh no! My way of life may change over the next 50 years!

Oh noes my western way of life will change because mk said so. I've been in this country for 29 years and this stupid comments rile me.

Interesting point. As a general statement you're right, although weak/unsuitable ideology is often "weeded out" by force. Fascism didn;t weed itself out while communism still needed the help of Reagan and Thatcher before it well and truly carked it.

In terms of religion, time allowed Christianity to cease exerting major influence over the western world that it used to. It did evolve to the point where Enlightenment was allowed to take place, and the West came out the other side a secular society with pretty much every educated person believing in the separation of Church and State. Very few on this forum would not argue that this separation is a good thing.

Islam OTOH is on a different timeline. It is a younger religion that achieved its goals of self-promotion via conquest (they're not alone there of course). That's just history, noone needs to be afraid of saying it. And religion plays a far more pronounced role in Muslim societies, even the non-funamentalist-run ones.

Now - while Muslims remained in Muslim countries the clash between our secular values and their religious ones remained minimal. Muslim immigration has changed that, challenging our society to ask ourselves the question - do we keep our secular values as a society or do we go down the track of eroding these secular values?

I am against public drunkenness too but I'll be damned if I'll allow some religious nut to walk around the streets telling people to behave themselves because it suits his religious ideology. I'm not a fan of prostitution either but as in the case of drugs, prohibition is not the answer. Only dialogue, debate, discussion, acceptance and education are the answers to complex social questions.

Generally speaking if anyone tells you they have all the answers if you just follow their little book of ideologies I suggest you run a mile. However, if this were to happen in our country we have nowhere to run. People who go around preaching social behaviour norms to suit their narrow religious views need to go screw themselves. And we need to ensure noone erodes our secular values.

As for religious expression, I am all in favour so long as they don't preach at the rest of us. Western Christianity has by and large come to terms with this (apart from some nutty and even dangerous pockets in the US) and on that basis they are welcome to preach to their own converted. But don't stick any religion down my throat.

But we must not be afraid to debate this.

lol not in Townsville it won't :lol:

Fuck living in a major city anyways rofl.

-PB

Chances are those Asians are most Australian than the likes of "TrueAnglo" and that Dutch bloke. I like Indian people, they're a very tolerant and open minded group as a whole. Britain and therefore Australia will always have a shared history with the Indian people.

If my time at crown taught me anything, it's that this statement is bollocks.

Jail them for life.

What's the charge?

Being different *stares off into the distance*

Science, logic and rational thought have slowly diminished the effect of religion and the same will happen to Islam.
It is a fair point that Islam, having only existed since the 9th century, is a young religion.
I wonder why it does seem to have more violence associated with it compared to the other major religions Judaism and Christianity, although it is possibly economic and education related. It's easy to recruit the uneducated and unemployed to undertake violence. I just can't see this issue penetrating first world countries, where one is better off and better educated.

Imagine how advanced Islam would be if the Mongols didn't sack Baghdad. At the time it was the scientific capital of the world.

I think you lost all hope on humanity some time ago.

Yep.

Fucking Mongs :lol: [-(

-PB

Yeah, it was about two weeks into my job at crown when I watched a man have a heart attack at the table and nobody do anything but continue placing bets.

To be fair to the Khans, the Kalif really did double dare them.

Four found guilty over sharia law whipping



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-28/four-men-found-guilty-over-sharia-whipping/4545010

Lets hope they are charged, imprisoned and punished heavily with a sentence demonstrating that this kind of behavior is not tolerated in this country.

If people want Sharia law, Australia is not the place for it.

My understanding of Sharia is that it's a personal sacrifice, not something to be imposed on others.

They won't be treated any different to anyone else who committed similar acts of assault.

Rape victim', 15, sentenced to 100 lashes in the Maldives for engaging in pre-marital sex

I see this will now be the culture wars thread.

FTFY

Can the mods lock it, lest this whole website be portrayed as complete bigots?

How is it bigoted?

I love this post. This is why islamaphobia is the way it is.

lol religitards.