I cannot believe people think the cop is in any way at fault here.
Some dickhead is whacked out on E, cop floors him when he resists...
This has NOTHING to do with the gay community. This is about a criminal.

We live in a society today that has this ridiculous idea that we can do what we want without being held accountable for our actions. This guy found out the hard way.

What exactly was he resisting? He was already cuffed and from what we can see on the video didn't seem to be doing a whole lot right before he was thrown to the ground.

Well i'm definitely not that sir

This is exactly the sort of even-handedness you see in the terraces.

how do you know he was on e?? Drunk yes,but to say he is on drugs makes your argument redundant .

It's Mardi Gras. You find me a person who isn't blind on alcohol, drugs, or both, and I'll give you the cure for cancer.

Police do have difficulty dealing with people who are on pills...but often when they pull someone up who might be high, they use drug illegality as a reason to search. That just escalates. As unnecessary as the war on drugs itself.

He didnt look drunk to me, more on E...he doesnt seem that aggressive, more mouthy...which as we know with coppers is the one thing that arcs them up more than anything.

The video looks very similar to other events people see, its quite common which is why the reaction is so strong.

Exactly. He was already cuffed. Which meant he had already been arrested. Reports in the mX this afternoon suggest he had punched the Officer in the video (from Farfield LAC). Right there and then, that's an assault police charge, and they're not exactly going to be friendly towards you on that. I suggest that the 'resist arrest' charge, was a mere formality after that. You struggle when you're having cuffs placed on you, and you're looking at automatic resist arrest. He's also been charged with swearing at Police, and Assault Police.

And just resisting can also be pursued (or at least threatened) as 'assaulting' police...usually designed to make people more compliant as they know "assaulting police" is a charge u want to avoid trying to defend against. Its applied very subjectively at times...

People who do hard drugs really are the scum of the earth. What stupidity.

Really? Their policing would in fact be made much easier if more people in venues were using MDMA compared to alcohol.

Maybe thats the problem, eh? Alcohol suppliers, policing and prisons do too well out of the current failed war on drugs...

And lol, scum of the earth? Seriously the hypocrisy on drugs in straya is astounding. Alcohol does far more damage per capita on so many different measures compared to mdma or weed at least...but of course pal, u are Tough On 'Drugs'...

Because people are irresponsible. I have a beer or 2 every few nights or a scotch and dry if work really shits me.

You don't hear of people who go home and drop a few tabs of acid to get over a hard days work.

Alcohol is well controlled and kept to a standard. Drugs are made crudely with poisonous chemicals isolated by people who have no idea what they're doing.

The damage per capita is a bit stupid. Most people don't take drugs because with hard drugs there is no moderation. 1/4 of an E can kill you. Alcohol becomes a problem in excess. Hard drugs are a problem the moment you take any of it.

Some old friends used to take all sorts and none of them have made anything of themselves. I used to drink and party through uni and i'm a full time professional :)

Perhaps a better argument to support people with very little common sense?

Not related to this incident, but there is nothing tougher for a security guard or police officer to deal with than someone under the influence of certain hard drugs. They can't make sense of their surroundings, tend to get aggressive and often don't feel any pain when physical force is used to restrain them. On a night out you will often see someone on drugs get struck repeatedly in a fight and not even flinch until they receive that blow that puts them out. It's one of the scarier sites or events to be involved in.

.... and yet people still take hard drugs. Boggles the mind.

He was defs doing something just before the cop tackled/dropped him to the ground. The camera wasn't really on him, but you can hear his girlfriend/friend cry "don't jamie! No no!". Either tried to make a run for it or spat/kicked the cop and that was what caused the outburst.

Edited by sydneyfc1987: 6/3/2013 06:32:44 PM

Sure i'll give it a shot, been thru this debate a million times before...i was in the greens in the early 2000s LOL...



Well acid is something u would use in controlled situations, i was talking more about MDMA and weed...but ultimately this is the personal responsbility of the individual. People use alcohol incredibly irresponsibly, yet we dont ban that do we?

People can use cannabis as an example in the exact same way as alcohol...moderatly. Ecstasy is more of a whole night thing for weekends...so the after work comparison is not valid here.



Yes the safety and QA aspect is interesting. The reason illicit drugs are made the way they are is because they are illicit. One of the main arguments in favour of ending drug prohibition is the ability to apply standard controls ...as they did with alcohol when they ended prohibition on that early last century. Take it out of the black market and into the more quality controlled commercial sector.



Just plain wrong...chronic and or habitual usage of alcohol is a major problem, along with overdose/poisoning via intoxication.

And once again the reason a quarter of an E may be more likely to kill u is because of poor doseage and quality control. Actual MDMA is arguably less harmful than alcohol at the basic chemical level. As for cannabis, used for thousands of years...comparatively benign in effect compared to habitual binge or alcohol consumption.



I can say the exact opposite...i did a bit of mdma in the mid to late 90s and know heaps of folks who did more than me...they all earn more than i do and have very successful careers. Maybe i should have done more? Point being, in my experience habitual heavy alcohol users come out far worse than mdma users. But then both our experiences are anecdotal...



Depends which 'hard drug' u are referring to..perhaps for amphetamines...but lets remember the useage on that only went up when they started cracking down on MDMA in a major way. 'Ice' replaced pills as the drug of choice. Plus a lot of pills now are more loaded with speed than MDMA.

This shift has had a pronounced effect on venues.....also led to higher alcohol consumption as a result of less decent pills around...more speed and alcohol = more aggression = more policing issues = more overtime and funding...probably the issue right there ;)


Edited by blacka: 6/3/2013 06:54:15 PM

Well he definitely didn't kick the cop or try to make a run for it, because his legs/feet were pretty still just before he was thrown to the ground.

Would also be interesting to see what peoples opinion would've been has this guy died, which could quite have easily have happened with him being thrown to the ground with no way to brace himself for the fall.

Oh the good old days where Police were respected and, to an extent, feared.

Who in their right mind would join the Police Force these days? Having to put up with spoilt, left-wing Gen Y brats thinking they can say and do anything without consequence.

Handcuffed. So very, very dangerous...

Regardless of why he was arrested in the first place or what happened before the filming, what I can gather from the video is that.

- The suspect is already arrested and in handcuffs.
- There are several officers in control of the situation, and other than some moaning from the suspect, everything is subdued.
- At 0:50 seconds of the video, the suspect is standing with the police officer behind him. The suspect takes a step towards someone/something and the police officer holds him back by his arms (cuffed behind his back).
- The video then moves in and you can see the suspect's feet at this stage. He takes a step again in the same direction.
- The police officer pulls him back, and judo throws him to the ground.
- The police officer then subdues the suspect by placing one foot on his back and half standing on the suspect.


From all of this, I consider the police officer's throw to be extremely unnecessary and excessive in force. The officer appeared content to allow the suspect to stand leading up to the incident, and the suspect was easily restrained from moving anywhere in the 10 seconds prior to being thrown to the ground. If the police officer wanted the suspect to stop moving at this stage, there were many alternative ways to restrain him. What the police officer did was reckless and abusive.

Sorry. This isn't Nazi Germany.

You get a great shot of his face at the start of the video. His pupils aren't nearly dilated enough to be on ecstasy. There'd be practically no iris left if he was tweaking.

Drugs or not, the police did the right thing. taught him a lesson. i mean i agree with human rights etc, but that dosnt mean you get trashed publicly and cause a nuisance. i have many times been a victum of drunken people, taunting, wanting to fight or whatever, when i go out for a night in the town, its plain wrong.I understand he was handcuffed but what would happen to him if they took him to the station? hed prob get a slap on the wrist and be left scott free. atleast this way he will have some bruises to remind him to not get too drunk or take to many drugs and go out causing drama's to society. peole get away with too much nowdays its bullshit..

It's not up to the police to "teach lessons". That is for the courts to decide.

And if he'd died as a result of his injuries from being thrown to the ground while handcuffed? I guess you'd be totally okay with that then. You know, to teach him a lesson and all.

Police brutality is pretty common. Most people deny it til they see it for themselves.

I do not consider weed a hard drug, just clarifying I consider hard drugs to be those that are synthesized, often through very crude processes of isolation.

My point regarding hard drugs is there is no way to moderate one time usage. I used the example of my home routine of a beer or 2 or a scotch because you can't moderate hard drugs in the same way. You can't moderate a line of cocaine or an Ecstasy pill in such a way as to not ruin you all night.

There are people who abuse alcohol sure, they get shit faced and turn into idiots.

Drugs generally aren't dangerous on their own. LSD was synthesized as a painkiller almost a century ago. The problem is that they are illicit as you say making their production questionable but its for a good reason. Small quantities of hard drugs can be highly influential on someones behavior. Look at what heroin and cocaine can do to first time users. Look at the stress ecstasy and speed put on a persons heart and how some experience fatigue when they come down.

Ecstasy/speed/mdma/whatever you want to call the "love drug" generally isn't the problem. Its ice, amphetamines and the hard drugs that are. However, you still have people who have awful adverse reactions to MDMA and end up causing people problems. Legalizing MDMA won't stop people doing what intoxicated people do which is get whacked out and do dumb shit that endangers their lives and the lives of others.

Its a cultural problem though. With so many night clubs it seems so attractive.

Slapping stupid people on the writs doesn't teach them anything :roll:

And according to his interview on ACA last night, it all started with a tickle...wtf...out of area coppers clearly never been to a mardi gras before if they assess some tickling kid in hot pants or fairy wings as a threat :oops:

Fuck cops lowest cunts ever.

There cunts at our games and they are cunts at celebrations.