Fuck the Police

I have an issue with drug addicts... No issue at all with people casually taking something, as long as They know that if they're caught, there are consequences.

You should go join Harold Holt.

That's not your place nor the police's place to determine. There's a prosecutor and a judge for a reason. Frankly, I hope anyone who goes "he deserved it" is on the receiving end of some unmitigated police brutality just to see whether they think they 'deserve' it.

The guy is handcuffed. He's defenceless. This whole thing is fucking absurd.

The issue with crude synthesized drugs is that they are illicit...its a circular argument to say they should stay illegal ...the illegality is what causes the crudeness of them. The war does more damage than the drug pretty much with all substances imo. Especially when u factor in the zero quality controls.

We will have to agree to disagree on moderating doses of ecstasy and cocaine. Both these drugs are used socially in a moderate fashion all the time...folks dont see it though so it distorts their impressions of the drug.

On legalising MDMA and people's propensity to do "dumb shit"...i actually believe that it would have a positive effect to legalise as u have a competitior to alcohol. And i dont know about your experiences but for me i have found more "dumb shit" happens when alcohol is consumed than pills.

And same goes for ice now being such a problem...it became more popular as MDMA became more scarce. Folks will look to find alternatives and will go for what is readily available. Just saying...use alcohol or nothing....clearly this is not working.

I wouldn't say it's one way or the other with MDMA/Ice. Ice is cheaper to synthesise and sell. When people deal in MDMA they buy it in caps or pills which is a relatively expensive production process.

If you legalise MDMA then it begs the question what else should be legalised? There are psychological benefits of MDMA such as use for post traumatic stress, but there are also side affects which i'm sure you're well aware of. LSD has several medical benefits, should that be legalised? Opium is an amazing pain killer. Its pandoras box should its legality be seriously considered. It would be suicide for anyone to legalise MDMA with such common side affects and health issues the result from il-educated people taking it. In saying that most people are shocked at how bad the drug is when they see footage of some useless 16 year old dying in hospital having taken it at a club when the real issue is that they're also full of alcohol containing caffiene (vodka red bull etc) and haven't had any water in 8 hours.

My experience with MDMA is generally similar things happen with alcohol but just more severe. The guys on it tend to be more aggressive because the drug pumps them up so their reaction to most things is amplified. We all have our own experiences though, i'm sure yours may differ.

My main issue with drugs is that they are all too often not consumed in controlled environments and the people who take them are totally unprepared for their affects and innocent people become collateral damage. People can take all the drugs they want in private, that's their choice. I've seen too many cases of emergencies caused by some tool taking pills and god knows what else at clubs and festivals and then collapsing later on through lack of consideration for the affects of the drug, or becoming violent and harming innocent people. Alcohol tends to cause fights but the emergency situations from experience are less frequent and the severity of the issues I mention is generally greater (from experience) when drugs are involved over alcohol. In saying that I agree that the tolerance for alcohol is silly. I guess i'm more anti-public nuisance as a result of these drugs. I completely avoid Surfers Paradise up here because I feel like I need an assault rifle to go there given the high concentration of organ wasters there.

Of course it doesn;t work but people searching for something to be addicted to seems to be more of a cultural problem than ever. People with naturally addicive personalities are at risk given how easy these drugs are to obtain.

Benelsmore: A lot of the issues u point to about mixing caffeine and pills, or alcohol and pills, are exascerbated by their illegality. For starters the pills are of poor quality, so they are more likely on speed than actual MDMA. The emergencies in clubs or festivals would be reduced if there were not the stigma attached to the drugs illegality. There are many cases of people not seeking help due to fear of getting into trouble. Whenever anything is done in an underground fashion, its always done in a more harmful way.

And also u are pointing to worst case scenarios...forgetting that for every issue there are countless others who are ok. Same as is the situation for use of alcohol. People with naturally addictive personalities get into trouble there also.

In fact much of your argument could be easily applied to alcohol when it comes to controlled environments vs night clubs etc. Yet this drug remains legal...at least be consistent. Ultimately poor laws like those relating to drugs just undermines peoples respect for the justice system in general. People are not dumb and can see the hypocrisy here. This is why so many keep flouting the law because ...based on experience... they know all the 'tough on drugs' stuff is hyperbole.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/03/07/19/08/new-video-emerges-of-mardi-gras-bashing

I see.

That completely justifies the assault continuing after he had been handcuffed.

Even during the new video, its worth remembering why they were cuffing him to begin with....an innocuous tickle followed by offensive language...the kid is clearly unused to dealing with police. If i didnt know better from experience, i probably would have struggled also given how absurd the initial reason was for him to be bailed up. It basically looks like he's some entitled kid chucking a tantrum...not realising how police would react..

Its easy to see why a Liverpool cop would react that way given the type of folks they are used to dealing with. Classic case of westie and inner city culture clash LOL ...that style of policing is basically every weekend occurance in that cops LAC.

Even an apology won't get him out of the assulting police charge. What a tool.

The start of this new video still has him pinned to the ground...why did they do that to begin with? If he feels unjustly restrained it is natural for some people unaccustomed to police to chuck a hissy fit. Clearly anyone who has watched 'police in action' would realise how dumb an idea this is.

Still unanswered questions here leading up to it...and the way he's being handled following.

Its stupidity to try and battle police though. Police don't pick on people for no reason, if he got to the point of being restrained in the first place he must have been doing something wrong.

Most don't, some absolutely do.

I call bullshit.

I know, right? Once you've been handcuffed you're obviously still a major threat to the arresting officer and should subsequently have your life endangered.

The worst part is this is going to be used as justification for this whole thing to be swept under the carpet instead of the police officer in question being reprimanded/sacked.

Can confirm that they really do.
In the last week I've watched VicPol officers harangue escorts, backpackers, inebriants and even couples heading to their car. Make no mistake, there are officers out there who are purely in the occupation to bully.

Agree with the first bit, absolutely stupid ...possibly understandable on a bunch of levels when u assess the specifics...

The reason he was restrained based on available info is...offensive language...annoying some girl (who apparently did not complain)...maybe they also thought he was off chops so was fair (and easy) game. Probably figured he may have been carrying? Either way...disproportionate...?

Considering you're religious, that explains your simplistic thinking.

what does religion have to do with anything ???

Youda thunk this statement would demonstrate someone without dichotomous, simplistic thinking.....

One's ideology speaks PLENTY

Your statement says a lot about you, none of it good.

Coming from someone who approves of institutionalised violence against the defenceless.
You might wanna spend more of your wasted time reading the New Testament rather than the Old.......

again what does one's religion have to do with any of this ????how do you that Mr is religious ? He could like you a total right wing anti religious nutter.

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 9/3/2013 04:38:06 PM

Dude, it's Ozboy. The answer in finding the cure for cancer is going to be more simple than working out his little agenda fueled rants.

true . I can see Ozzie blaming someone's religion for being a cause of that persons cancer..... I shouldn't joke my dad had cancer ...

Politicians are also true to their word. :roll: ](*,) :-$

Just had a look back over your posts in this thread. Naive much?

:shock:

That youth assaulted at least one police officer, and it's on video. In your twisted mind he may be defenceless, but to a judge and a jury of normal ( read sane) citizens they will see someone resisting arrest, assaulting police, and generally acting in disrespect of the standards our community asks of it's citizens.

Why should our police, nurses, teachers, bus drivers have to deal with individuals who set out to harm them like that tool was doing as he launched kicks and at least one punch into the head/face of a NSW police officer?

As to your other comments, you're embarrassing yourself. Right or left wing, spit polished or not, you lack class and it shows.