With respect, you are not only conflating Muslim with terrorist in your response but your labeling it as 'feminist bullshit' paints you in the same colours as the MRA groups. Even if you took the time to re-write that blog correctly to represent an anti-Muslim view it would be disregarding the statistical problem of sexual assault.

1 in 6 non-Muslims are not killed by terrorists. 1 in 6 women in the US are sexually assaulted by men. It is a very real fear and by belittling it you are as good as enabling it.

I'm calling it as I see it.

If Muslim's isn't 'statistically correct' to the rest of the post, how about I change it to "Young Black Males" and make it about them stabbing, assaulting, shooting or simply just being robbers? Then the US statistics would make it equivalent to the "1 in 6 Women are raped." Statistic.

I don't care about the MRA vs Feminist shit, because pretty much all it achieves these days is wasting internet space and complaining about guys wearing Fedoras.

Edited by macktheknife: 12/3/2013 07:36:09 PM

I've never been sexually abused/assaulted before, but I think that article is a little bit extreme. I'm sure some women do take notice of the men around them and judge whether or not they're potential threats, but I can't say I've ever really done that before.

cbf

http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger’s-rapist-or-a-guy’s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/

In fairness, you are entitled to your opinion and I shouldn't have attacked you (albeit meekly) for it. I didn't really link that article as a shining example of gender theory- it is an insight into how, unfortunately, women are made to feel unsafe in modern society which I feel is appropriate given what happened to Jill Maegher. I would suggest that even in your scenarios- say the young black male (heck even just a young male would suffice) with the wrong look approaching a lone person late at night in downtown New York- that Schroedingers mugger would be a very real fear for a lot of people. Same young man approaches in the library and its less threatening (to the point it is probably not even processed.) Same scenario- strange man approaches woman on empty train car at 1am there is a good chance the woman will feel a measurable amount of apprehension. Strike up a conversation with her in the RBB and she'll likely not even register him as a threat at all. It is again, a sad indictment on the nature of humankind more than anything.

I do get a little offended when feminism is equated with bad however. There is bad feminism yes, but there is also good feminism. It isn't all anti-men rhetoric. It is important to take what people say and dissect it into "well, I feel this language is a bit extreme and this point is not really credible, but I can see how this part here has weight". Personally I thought that blog piece was very poorly titled and the contents were a bit patronising, however I also felt that at its core it has some valuable concepts worth discussing.

Edit: Also if a dude approaches me with a fedora and a neckbeard it is *most certainly* a case of Schroedinger's Brony :P

Edited by scoll: 12/3/2013 08:45:08 PM

No doubt, this c*nt deserves to die, however, the death penalty isn't practical fiscally or morally.

Since the death penalty has been reinstated in California in 1978, 13 people have been executed at a cost of $4Billion or ~$300Million per execution. Life without parole costs $50,000 a year per prisoner.

In America, 140 men and women have been exonerated while on death row due to innocence since 1973 and it is not known how many didn't get freed but were killed, but i believe that 1 is too many, even if 1,000,000 guilty murderers/rapists are killed

Actually for rapists, fuck the death pen. Castrate the fuckers instead.

To quote Jesse Jackson (yes, Jesse Jackson):
“Capital punishment turns the state into a murderer. But imprisonment turns the state into a gay dungeon-master."

As I said before, Rape is a cold-blooded crime. A person doesn't do it as an act of revenge or in the heat of the moment or defending themselves. They do it as a cold, empowering rush of adrenaline.

It's not about sex, it's a serious mental inability to empathise and differentiate between right and wrong.

And as a result the state rewards these mental defectives with free food, accommodation and clothing which most of these mentally deficient citizens are incapable of earning themselves. They have no chance of rehabilitation into society. A 1998 study from the Journal of American Academic Psychiatry Law found that over 50% of released offenders re-offended within 12 months of their release and 22% of those released escalated the severity of their crimes.

Macks post;

West Sydney = Baghdad 2.0

-PB

I approve BUT there would be some scary ex gfs/wives that would be licking their lips if that were to happen.

For those calling for a death penalty on rape, could you please give a detailed comment about what conditions would warrant a death penalty? Is it direct punishment for the crime against the victim? Because they can't be rehabilitated and it will prevent future crimes? To act as a deterrent against other possible rapists? A mix of some or all or other factors?

To get rid of cold blooded criminals.

I doubt the death penalty would stop rapists. To do it in the first place you need to be lacking in mental strength.

I don't think it can work as a deterrent. These people don't have the mental capacity to acknowledge a social deterrent. I mean, jail isn't working. I see it as a way of stopping the convicted, who are incapable of rehabilitation, from committing further crimes upon their release back into society.

As I said before, there was a study which found over 50% (56% to be precise) of released rape offenders re-offended within 12 months - and that's just the crimes that they found out about.

Going to prison for life (especially as a rapist) is a far, far worse punishment than death. Why let him get off so lightly?

The guy has tried to off himself already, he said in court today that he wishes Victoria had the death penalty. He wants to die and why wouldnt he? Thats too good for him.

The risk of executing an innocent person is too high to bring back the death penalty. I cant believe people would be willing to risk that just to get revenge on someone. Pretty uncivilised.

Huge waste of Tax $. Fuck those guys i'd rather money be spent on hospitals, roads and infrastructure.

The death penalty is an uncivilized way of getting rid of uncivilized people :)

Going through the legal processes of making sure someone is 100% guilty being convicted to the death penalty, is more expensive than life in prison

This is the problem. The court system is a fucking joke. A guy that works for the GF's dad got caught on video stomping on some poor buggers head with another bloke. 8 months later and he still isn't in prison.

100% guilty is also a joke. There will always be doubts and inconsistencies. People are too concerned with absolutes these days.

No. Irrespective of whether the rapist is rehabilitate-able or not.
Hope they lock him up for life.

Sorry, but this is someone's life we're talking about here. Just because you can live with the fact that an innocent man might be murdered doesn't mean we all can.

If reasonable doubt is the standard for life imprisonment then I don't see what's wrong with raising the burden to at least some sort of virtual certainty when talking about the death penalty. Look at Anders Breivik, would you say that there's any doubt it was him?

The argument that life imprisonment is "harsher" is ridiculous, why argue that when the whole point of why you're arguing against the death penalty is because it's "uncivilised". A bit counter-productive I think.

I don't know about you man, but I would hate to be the one who spends his life on the wrong end of a hot iron rod because some lazy copper wanted to get this case of his back and be the hero. ;)

No it's not. Each prisoner costs Victorian taxpayers around 90k/year to house in our prison system. If they're sentenced for life and spend 30 years inside that's a cost to the state of $2.7m.

It's estimated that the average death penalty case in the US costs around $2.3m (USD).

I have no idea where you got 2.3m but ive found 308m from California.

Also in california, the average death penalty case takes 25 years to execute the person anyway so you end up paying for life in prison anyway on top of other expenses.


http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

This was the extra cost for North Carolina in death penalty cases for the last 2 years





http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

I'm guessing tbitm's statistics would include appeals, legal aid, counselling, higher rate of assaults involving death row inmates towards others and themselves.

Death row is the worst thing since American gun laws IMHO. :lol:

Obviously there are flaws in the US death row system. 25 years in the system is absurd. My figures came from the state of Texas according to 2009 reports.

These figures also fail to take into account the additional cost for re-offenders going to further trials for repeat offences.

Bring back the stocks in the town square I say.

That would make sense, the more liberal states take the process more carefully and therefore cost more and the more conservative states don't which is why it costs less but they are also on the record for killing innocent people. But overall, i think the numbers would average out higher for the death penalty even when you take into account the further trials for repeat offenders.

http://camerontoddwillingham.com
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/15/carlos-texas-innocent-man-death

i also think it can be argued that people on death row are harder to convict. Some members of the jury could have moral reasons (whether they be religious or otherwise) to not kill people on death row even when they think they are guilty, which therefore just puts murderers back into our streets.

See Casey Anthony, after she was found "not guilty" the speculation from the media was that the prosecutors were asking for too much when their case was purely based on circumstantial evidence.

Edited by tbitm: 14/3/2013 10:15:16 PM

Edited by tbitm: 14/3/2013 10:17:26 PM

Casey Anthony is immaterial to the situation. She wasn't a rapist. And inadequate prosecution is not symptomatic of a faulty system.

The death penalty lets these people off lightly. Make him suffer.