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I agree that a large number of western troops wouldn't need to be on the ground. What is needed is structure and leadership. A lot of the rebel groups looking to take control of areas seem to be very well structured and have a definite purpose (surprisingly the infamous Kony army, seems to have no apparent goal other then to cause destruction)

America and Australia are very good at intelligence gathering and structured strikes. I wonder what a couple of strategic drone strikes could do to these groups.
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Iridium1010 wrote:
Hmm I see there are already UN missions in CAR and South Sudan.


But I'm sure they aren't actively trying to combat the rebels.

Anyway I'd hate for there to be another Rwanda and it would be foolish to think it couldn't happen again. You could say they are a number of cases now similar to what happened but just on a smaller scale.
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Roar #1 wrote:
I agree that a large number of western troops wouldn't need to be on the ground. What is needed is structure and leadership. A lot of the rebel groups looking to take control of areas seem to be very well structured and have a definite purpose (surprisingly the infamous Kony army, seems to have no apparent goal other then to cause destruction)

America and Australia are very good at intelligence gathering and structured strikes. I wonder what a couple of strategic drone strikes could do to these groups.


That's what I was thinking, if the African Union provide troops on ground, and the West provide air support/drones/special forces and intelligence.
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Using Syria as an example, the place has turned into an absolute slaughterhouse. Bush would have invaded and tried to fix things by force. People would have died and Bush would have copped the blame.

Obama has done two thirds of fkall about Syria, people are still dying but the West and the Left especially are largely OK with it. No blame attached to Obama, or indeed the UN.


Going into Syria on the side of the rebels would have been a huuuuggggeeeee mistake.

Thankfully though Assad is winning.
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433 wrote:
thupercoach wrote:

Using Syria as an example, the place has turned into an absolute slaughterhouse. Bush would have invaded and tried to fix things by force. People would have died and Bush would have copped the blame.

Obama has done two thirds of fkall about Syria, people are still dying but the West and the Left especially are largely OK with it. No blame attached to Obama, or indeed the UN.


Going into Syria on the side of the rebels would have been a huuuuggggeeeee mistake.

Thankfully though Assad is winning.


Thankfully?
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humbert wrote:
433 wrote:
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Using Syria as an example, the place has turned into an absolute slaughterhouse. Bush would have invaded and tried to fix things by force. People would have died and Bush would have copped the blame.

Obama has done two thirds of fkall about Syria, people are still dying but the West and the Left especially are largely OK with it. No blame attached to Obama, or indeed the UN.


Going into Syria on the side of the rebels would have been a huuuuggggeeeee mistake.

Thankfully though Assad is winning.


Thankfully?


Yes. Thankfully.
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afromanGT wrote:

Bullshit. There's oil in Nigeria.

African nations being essentially run by warlords make installing a puppet state government and "democracy" near impossible in many african nations.

France intervened in Mali and were criticized. The west has intervened in Somalia and other nations in the past and been criticized. No matter what the west does they're going to be criticized.


I know there is oil in Nigeria, which makes the whole thing much more.... a thing.

In Africa, corruption is so rampant, it benefits western companies to have that corruption there. If the governments were up right guys who ran the country like a first world country, these western companies and western governments would be getting charged a heck of a lot for all the minerals Africa has. Can you imagine paying all the different countries crap loads for minerals. Does not work out well does it.

Its like Blood Diamonds. If not for the rebels, there is no cheap way of getting the diamonds out, making them in to the jewellery we buy and making a profit.

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Just to add, Afghanistan has no oil either, and they sure as hell didn't invade it for no apparent reason.


Because Osama Bin Laden was really the terrorist he was made out to be, and we have to fight the war on terror?
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433 wrote:
humbert wrote:
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thupercoach wrote:

Using Syria as an example, the place has turned into an absolute slaughterhouse. Bush would have invaded and tried to fix things by force. People would have died and Bush would have copped the blame.

Obama has done two thirds of fkall about Syria, people are still dying but the West and the Left especially are largely OK with it. No blame attached to Obama, or indeed the UN.


Going into Syria on the side of the rebels would have been a huuuuggggeeeee mistake.

Thankfully though Assad is winning.


Thankfully?


Yes. Thankfully.


I'm glad I could solicit from you your open and unqualified support for Bashar al Assad. A man whose only saving grace is that he is slightly better than his scum bag father. A man who has ruled over a one party state for the better part of 15 years; ruthlessly suppressing any inkling of dissent or opposition. A man who oversaw the brutal occupation of Lebanon and the assassination of brave Lebanese democrats. A man who has expressed open support for the Hezbollah project, and has furnished these deluded virgins with all manner of military, financial, and political support. A man who admires fascism without apology, and has sought to emulate them in his own rag-tag crime gang. A man who brutally suppressed Syria's Kurds when they sought autonomy in the mid 2000's. A man who has opponents of his rule summarily tortured, and detained. A man who denied citizenship to Syrian Kurds until 2011. A man whose armed forces have been attested as using chemical munitions, indiscriminate shelling, and collective punishment against civilians.

Is this the man you support?

Edited by humbert: 9/5/2014 06:55:13 PM
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433 wrote:
thupercoach wrote:

Using Syria as an example, the place has turned into an absolute slaughterhouse. Bush would have invaded and tried to fix things by force. People would have died and Bush would have copped the blame.

Obama has done two thirds of fkall about Syria, people are still dying but the West and the Left especially are largely OK with it. No blame attached to Obama, or indeed the UN.


Going into Syria on the side of the rebels would have been a huuuuggggeeeee mistake.

Thankfully though Assad is winning.
Never said the rebels are the good guys. Both are equally abhorrent. In fact, awful as it sounds, Assad, that murderer funds terrorism and used biological weapons on his own people, is the lesser of two evils.
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thupercoach wrote:
433 wrote:
thupercoach wrote:

Using Syria as an example, the place has turned into an absolute slaughterhouse. Bush would have invaded and tried to fix things by force. People would have died and Bush would have copped the blame.

Obama has done two thirds of fkall about Syria, people are still dying but the West and the Left especially are largely OK with it. No blame attached to Obama, or indeed the UN.


Going into Syria on the side of the rebels would have been a huuuuggggeeeee mistake.

Thankfully though Assad is winning.
Never said the rebels are the good guys. Both are equally abhorrent. In fact, awful as it sounds, Assad, that murderer funds terrorism and used biological weapons on his own people, is the lesser of two evils.


Writes post about man who kills his own people....calls him less of two evils.







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@ Humbert and Zimbos

He's the lesser of two evils. There are no good sides to this terrible war, but the relative stability that Assad provides is better than what would happen if terrorists got in control.
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zimbos_05 wrote:
thupercoach wrote:
433 wrote:
thupercoach wrote:

Using Syria as an example, the place has turned into an absolute slaughterhouse. Bush would have invaded and tried to fix things by force. People would have died and Bush would have copped the blame.

Obama has done two thirds of fkall about Syria, people are still dying but the West and the Left especially are largely OK with it. No blame attached to Obama, or indeed the UN.


Going into Syria on the side of the rebels would have been a huuuuggggeeeee mistake.

Thankfully though Assad is winning.
Never said the rebels are the good guys. Both are equally abhorrent. In fact, awful as it sounds, Assad, that murderer funds terrorism and used biological weapons on his own people, is the lesser of two evils.


Writes post about man who kills his own people....calls him less of two evils.






Mate, yeah, despite the horror of Assad, the other side is worse.
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zimbos_05 wrote:


Because Osama Bin Laden was really the terrorist he was made out to be, and we have to fight the war on terror?


I don't get why this is italic.

So I'll let your clarify before I respond.

Edited by iridium1010: 10/5/2014 01:28:52 AM
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Iridium1010 wrote:
zimbos_05 wrote:


Because Osama Bin Laden was really the terrorist he was made out to be, and we have to fight the war on terror?


I don't get the italic bit.

So I'll let your clarify before I respond.


Don't get me started on "Osama Bin Laden" and September 11. I don't believe a word the government said about it, apart from the part where 3 buildings collapse, the reason for their collapse and the rest is highly questionable.
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Roar #1 wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
zimbos_05 wrote:


Because Osama Bin Laden was really the terrorist he was made out to be, and we have to fight the war on terror?


I don't get the italic bit.

So I'll let your clarify before I respond.


Don't get me started on "Osama Bin Laden" and September 11. I don't believe a word the government said about it, apart from the part where 3 buildings collapse, the reason for their collapse and the rest is highly questionable.


Ohboyherewego.jpg

Edit: Nah but seriously though there were some very questionable aspects to it.

Edited by 433: 9/5/2014 11:22:15 PM
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Are we going with the Bin Laden CIA spy, controlled demolition, or that the Israelis did it?

Edited by iridium1010: 10/5/2014 01:36:19 AM
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Very depressing to see that so many have swallowed the Baath propaganda line without hesitation. Even more troubling to see that 9/11 troofers may be among us on this forum.
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Iridium1010 wrote:
Are we going with the Bin Laden CIA spy, controlled demolition, or that the Israelis did it?

Edited by iridium1010: 10/5/2014 01:36:19 AM
Option C. When in doubt, blame the Jews.
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I just don't see how a Boeing 757 hit the pentagon. The angle that it hit, means it would have had to be exactly level with the ground, which even for a trained pilot ( the high jackers were far from it) would be very difficult and when landing a plane of that size the nose is pointed up. Also from the original pictures there seems to be no indentation on the grass where the fuselage or engines would have dug in if flying at that height. Then there is no fuselage evident in any pictures. A plane that size doesn't just disintegrate when hitting a concrete wall. At the very least the tail section should be sticking out of the wreckage.


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And it could just be a co incidence and it's easy, if your a doubter like me, to point out that the air force was carrying our a massive training drill which took a number of fighter jets away from the area and caused initial confusion when ATC was asking for help. And secondly, the head of the ATC control centre was on his first day at the job, again which could have caused confusion.
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Iridium1010 wrote:
zimbos_05 wrote:


Because Osama Bin Laden was really the terrorist he was made out to be, and we have to fight the war on terror?


I don't get why this is italic.

So I'll let your clarify before I respond.

Edited by iridium1010: 10/5/2014 01:28:52 AM


I was implying sarcasm in my tone.
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Christian woman sentenced to death for "adultery" with her Christian husband



A Sudanese court has sentenced a Christian woman to hang for apostasy - the abandonment of her religious faith - after she married a Christian man.

Amnesty International condemned the sentence, handed down by a judge in Khartoum, as "appalling and abhorrent".

Local media report the sentence on the woman, who is pregnant, would not be carried out for two years after she had given birth.

Sudan has a majority Muslim population, which is governed by Islamic law.

"We gave you three days to recant but you insist on not returning to Islam. I sentence you to be hanged to death," the judge told the woman, AFP reports.

Western embassies and rights groups had urged Sudan to respect the right of the pregnant woman to choose her religion.

The judge also sentenced the woman to 100 lashes after convicting her of adultery - because her marriage to a Christian man was not valid under Islamic law.

This will reportedly be carried out when she has recovered from giving birth.

Earlier in the hearing, an Islamic cleric spoke with her in a caged dock for about 30 minutes, AFP reports.

Then she calmly told the judge: "I am a Christian and I never committed apostasy."

Amnesty International said the woman, Meriam Yehya Ibrahim Ishag, was raised as an Orthodox Christian, her mother's religion, because her father, a Muslim, was reportedly absent during her childhood.

She was convicted of adultery on the grounds that her marriage to a Christian man from South Sudan was void under Sudan's version of Islamic law, which says Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslims.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27424064

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Roar #1 wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
zimbos_05 wrote:


Because Osama Bin Laden was really the terrorist he was made out to be, and we have to fight the war on terror?


I don't get the italic bit.

So I'll let your clarify before I respond.


Don't get me started on "Osama Bin Laden" and September 11. I don't believe a word the government said about it, apart from the part where 3 buildings collapse, the reason for their collapse and the rest is highly questionable.


Is building three the one down the street that 'randomly' collapsed?

People who think that it was a conspiracy and that the government blew it up should FOAD.
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benelsmore wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
zimbos_05 wrote:


Because Osama Bin Laden was really the terrorist he was made out to be, and we have to fight the war on terror?


I don't get the italic bit.

So I'll let your clarify before I respond.


Don't get me started on "Osama Bin Laden" and September 11. I don't believe a word the government said about it, apart from the part where 3 buildings collapse, the reason for their collapse and the rest is highly questionable.


Is building three the one down the street that 'randomly' collapsed?

People who think that it was a conspiracy and that the government blew it up should FOAD.


You're talking about building 7. I don't know whether it's a conspiracy or not, but building 7 remains the only steel framed building in human history to collapse solely because of a fire. The other two, buildings 1 and 2 are the only other steel framed buildings to collapse because of fire but at least those two were hit by planes.

Building's 7 collapse is hard to believe.
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u4486662 wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
zimbos_05 wrote:


Because Osama Bin Laden was really the terrorist he was made out to be, and we have to fight the war on terror?


I don't get the italic bit.

So I'll let your clarify before I respond.


Don't get me started on "Osama Bin Laden" and September 11. I don't believe a word the government said about it, apart from the part where 3 buildings collapse, the reason for their collapse and the rest is highly questionable.


Is building three the one down the street that 'randomly' collapsed?

People who think that it was a conspiracy and that the government blew it up should FOAD.


You're talking about building 7. I don't know whether it's a conspiracy or not, but building 7 remains the only steel framed building in human history to collapse solely because of a fire. The other two, buildings 1 and 2 are the only other steel framed buildings to collapse because of fire but at least those two were hit by planes.

Building's 7 collapse is hard to believe.


Studied the collapse in 1st year at uni.

Very plausible why it fell down.

People see what they want to see.
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benelsmore wrote:
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benelsmore wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
zimbos_05 wrote:


Because Osama Bin Laden was really the terrorist he was made out to be, and we have to fight the war on terror?


I don't get the italic bit.

So I'll let your clarify before I respond.


Don't get me started on "Osama Bin Laden" and September 11. I don't believe a word the government said about it, apart from the part where 3 buildings collapse, the reason for their collapse and the rest is highly questionable.


Is building three the one down the street that 'randomly' collapsed?

People who think that it was a conspiracy and that the government blew it up should FOAD.


You're talking about building 7. I don't know whether it's a conspiracy or not, but building 7 remains the only steel framed building in human history to collapse solely because of a fire. The other two, buildings 1 and 2 are the only other steel framed buildings to collapse because of fire but at least those two were hit by planes.

Building's 7 collapse is hard to believe.


Studied the collapse in 1st year at uni.

Very plausible why it fell down.

People see what they want to see.


Why did it fall ?
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Roar #1 wrote:
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Iridium1010 wrote:
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Because Osama Bin Laden was really the terrorist he was made out to be, and we have to fight the war on terror?


I don't get the italic bit.

So I'll let your clarify before I respond.


Don't get me started on "Osama Bin Laden" and September 11. I don't believe a word the government said about it, apart from the part where 3 buildings collapse, the reason for their collapse and the rest is highly questionable.


Is building three the one down the street that 'randomly' collapsed?

People who think that it was a conspiracy and that the government blew it up should FOAD.


You're talking about building 7. I don't know whether it's a conspiracy or not, but building 7 remains the only steel framed building in human history to collapse solely because of a fire. The other two, buildings 1 and 2 are the only other steel framed buildings to collapse because of fire but at least those two were hit by planes.

Building's 7 collapse is hard to believe.


Studied the collapse in 1st year at uni.

Very plausible why it fell down.

People see what they want to see.


Why did it fall ?


Debris hit it.... it caught fire..... the protective coatings which protect the steel against fires (for a certain duration) were not enforced during design and construction because they were not cost effective..... steel and fire = buckling affect on columns which is why it collapsed suddenly.

How there is a conspiracy I don't know. :lol:
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benelsmore wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
zimbos_05 wrote:


Because Osama Bin Laden was really the terrorist he was made out to be, and we have to fight the war on terror?


I don't get the italic bit.

So I'll let your clarify before I respond.


Don't get me started on "Osama Bin Laden" and September 11. I don't believe a word the government said about it, apart from the part where 3 buildings collapse, the reason for their collapse and the rest is highly questionable.


Is building three the one down the street that 'randomly' collapsed?

People who think that it was a conspiracy and that the government blew it up should FOAD.


You're talking about building 7. I don't know whether it's a conspiracy or not, but building 7 remains the only steel framed building in human history to collapse solely because of a fire. The other two, buildings 1 and 2 are the only other steel framed buildings to collapse because of fire but at least those two were hit by planes.

Building's 7 collapse is hard to believe.


Studied the collapse in 1st year at uni.

Very plausible why it fell down.

People see what they want to see.


Why did it fall ?


Debris hit it.... it caught fire..... the protective coatings which protect the steel against fires (for a certain duration) were not enforced during design and construction because they were not cost effective..... steel and fire = buckling affect on columns which is why it collapsed suddenly.

How there is a conspiracy I don't know. :lol:


But does that explain how the whole building gave way and fell at almost free fall speed? Sure I can understand the half of the building that was hit giving way and collapsing but for the structural beams on the other side of the building to also give way at the same time.

I guess it's pretty easy to make a conspiracy out of it when you don't dig to deep.
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Roar #1 wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
benelsmore wrote:
Roar #1 wrote:
Iridium1010 wrote:
zimbos_05 wrote:


Because Osama Bin Laden was really the terrorist he was made out to be, and we have to fight the war on terror?


I don't get the italic bit.

So I'll let your clarify before I respond.


Don't get me started on "Osama Bin Laden" and September 11. I don't believe a word the government said about it, apart from the part where 3 buildings collapse, the reason for their collapse and the rest is highly questionable.


Is building three the one down the street that 'randomly' collapsed?

People who think that it was a conspiracy and that the government blew it up should FOAD.


You're talking about building 7. I don't know whether it's a conspiracy or not, but building 7 remains the only steel framed building in human history to collapse solely because of a fire. The other two, buildings 1 and 2 are the only other steel framed buildings to collapse because of fire but at least those two were hit by planes.

Building's 7 collapse is hard to believe.


Studied the collapse in 1st year at uni.

Very plausible why it fell down.

People see what they want to see.


Why did it fall ?


Debris hit it.... it caught fire..... the protective coatings which protect the steel against fires (for a certain duration) were not enforced during design and construction because they were not cost effective..... steel and fire = buckling affect on columns which is why it collapsed suddenly.

How there is a conspiracy I don't know. :lol:


But does that explain how the whole building gave way and fell at almost free fall speed? Sure I can understand the half of the building that was hit giving way and collapsing but for the structural beams on the other side of the building to also give way at the same time.

I guess it's pretty easy to make a conspiracy out of it when you don't dig to deep.


Yeh it does. If you take load off one structural column it distributes it among the rest. If you keep unloading columns (through failure due to heat warping them) the distribution of force (dead weight) is reduced to applying a huge load on a select few columns.

Once that load exceeds the ultimate load the remaining columns can sustain, they will fail. Being steel (unlike concrete which will usually fail in a brittle fashion), steel will bend and buckle. Once buckled, it will collapse suddenly as we all saw.

There is way more engineering a materials science behind it but I worked today and you'll fall asleep reading it :p
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