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melbourne_terrace wrote:mcjules wrote:melbourne_terrace wrote:Being intelligent and religious is a fucking paradox of the highest order. Depending on your definition of intelligence, that's true. If you are making a comment on how it's impossible to receive a good education from a catholic school, I think you may be surprised about how secular the syllabus is in those schools outside of the religious "education" (I put that in quotes as those classes were never taken very seriously at either my primary school or high school). Edited by mcjules: 3/8/2014 02:28:26 PM Not making a comment on catholic/proddie schools etc. i went to one myself so know all about that. All good mate :)
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Roar #1 wrote:u4486662 wrote:This country has a distinct lack of high quality private secular schools. The scenario above is all too common. Non religious people baptising their kids just so they can get a decent education. So by that do you mean private schools without any religious affiliation ? If so, I agree. Yes. There are some very good non religious schools but they are usually selective. We need a bit more diversity.
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u4486662 wrote:This country has a distinct lack of high quality private secular schools. The scenario above is all too common. Non religious people baptising their kids just so they can get a decent education. Pathetic and hypocritical given how many of the same people would be lucky to set foot inside a church on a regular basis. Cue "I worship God in my own way" crapola now. As for bible knowledge it's well known that atheists have a higher level of bible literacy then believers. http://www.pewforum.org/2010/09/28/u-s-religious-knowledge-survey/http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/09/28/130191248/atheists-and-agnostics-know-more-about-bible-than-religioushttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/us/28religion.html?_r=0 http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201401/more-knowledge-less-belief-in-religionNot surprising really as atheists, in general, are smarter than God-botherers.
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Roar #1 wrote:u4486662 wrote:This country has a distinct lack of high quality private secular schools. The scenario above is all too common. Non religious people baptising their kids just so they can get a decent education. So by that do you mean private schools without any religious affiliation ? If so, I agree. I think part of it is due to the era most of these schools were established and that they're often subsidised in part by the church. Also worth adding that there are excellent public schools but (at least in Adelaide) they're located in the most affluent areas so unless you move into their zone you have no chance. Not sure if this classifies as a crime against humanity though :lol:
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mcjules
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Munrubenmuz wrote:u4486662 wrote:This country has a distinct lack of high quality private secular schools. The scenario above is all too common. Non religious people baptising their kids just so they can get a decent education. Pathetic and hypocritical given how many of the same people would be lucky to set foot inside a church on a regular basis. Don't hate the player, hate the game :)
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melbourne_terrace wrote:Being intelligent and religious is a fucking paradox of the highest order. You just get better and better sweetie :lol:
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mcjules wrote:melbourne_terrace wrote:Being intelligent and religious is a fucking paradox of the highest order. Depending on your definition of intelligence, that's true. If you are making a comment on how it's impossible to receive a good education from a catholic school, I think you may be surprised about how secular the syllabus is in those schools outside of the religious "education" (I put that in quotes as those classes were never taken very seriously at either my primary school or high school). Edited by mcjules: 3/8/2014 02:28:26 PM Academic achievement doesn't necessarily correlate to intelligence.
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afromanGT wrote:mcjules wrote:melbourne_terrace wrote:Being intelligent and religious is a fucking paradox of the highest order. Depending on your definition of intelligence, that's true. If you are making a comment on how it's impossible to receive a good education from a catholic school, I think you may be surprised about how secular the syllabus is in those schools outside of the religious "education" (I put that in quotes as those classes were never taken very seriously at either my primary school or high school). Edited by mcjules: 3/8/2014 02:28:26 PM Academic achievement doesn't necessarily correlate to intelligence. That's true, my good looks and charm earned me a few extra marks over the years. :d heck even with one class I got caught cheating off the guy next to me and instead of getting the usual punishment of detention and a fail, I still got a c~ because the teacher liked me \:d/ I would have failed anyway if I hadn't cheated :lol:
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Muz
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afromanGT wrote:mcjules wrote:melbourne_terrace wrote:Being intelligent and religious is a fucking paradox of the highest order. Depending on your definition of intelligence, that's true. If you are making a comment on how it's impossible to receive a good education from a catholic school, I think you may be surprised about how secular the syllabus is in those schools outside of the religious "education" (I put that in quotes as those classes were never taken very seriously at either my primary school or high school). Edited by mcjules: 3/8/2014 02:28:26 PM Academic achievement doesn't necessarily correlate to intelligence. No, but in general I'd be willing to bet that those with a high marks are, on average, more intelligent than those without high marks. Only in Australia is a degree seen as some sort of handicap to being a normal member of society. "Yeah well I know plenty of blokes with a degree and they've got no common sense" like it's impossible to have one without the other.
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Munrubenmuz wrote:As for bible knowledge it's well known that atheists have a higher level of bible literacy then believers...
Not surprising really as atheists, in general, are smarter than God-botherers.
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Fredsta wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:As for bible knowledge it's well known that atheists have a higher level of bible literacy then believers...
Not surprising really as atheists, in general, are smarter than God-botherers.
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Fredsta wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:As for bible knowledge it's well known that atheists have a higher level of bible literacy then believers...
Not surprising really as atheists, in general, are smarter than God-botherers.
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Munrubenmuz wrote:afromanGT wrote:mcjules wrote:melbourne_terrace wrote:Being intelligent and religious is a fucking paradox of the highest order. Depending on your definition of intelligence, that's true. If you are making a comment on how it's impossible to receive a good education from a catholic school, I think you may be surprised about how secular the syllabus is in those schools outside of the religious "education" (I put that in quotes as those classes were never taken very seriously at either my primary school or high school). Edited by mcjules: 3/8/2014 02:28:26 PM Academic achievement doesn't necessarily correlate to intelligence. No, but in general I'd be willing to bet that those with a high marks are, on average, more intelligent than those without high marks. Only in Australia is a degree seen as some sort of handicap to being a normal member of society. "Yeah well I know plenty of blokes with a degree and they've got no common sense" like it's impossible to have one without the other. Yeah too many Chris Finch's (UK "The Office")
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Quote:[size=6] If you need dynamite, C4 sticks, grenades, call Elomar[/size] 5 August 2014 The Australian fugitive who recently posed with decapitated heads on Twitter has urged wannabe jihadists in Sydney to get in touch. Mohamed Elomar, who is believed to have left Australia last year to fight with al-Qaeda off-shoot ISIS, returned to Twitter under a new unverified account to spruik dynamite and grenades. " Anyone in Sydney who is after explosives (dynamite sticks, C4 sticks, orica mine sticks, grenades) lots more. If interested DM me," he wrote.
In other online posts, he offered up advice to Jihad brothers in the West on the best way to elude security. "Buy a phone cover ur idenity if you have to wear a Niqab, activate simcard with false details, when you use phone make sure in different area," one post read. "That way it's hard for ASIO to track u down, remember 'The hearts of freemen are tombs of secrets' and moslem secrecy (and lies) is faithfulness."
If ever in doubt, he was just a "DM" (direct message) away. "I would love to chat," he wrote. Federal police issued arrest warrants for Elomar, 30, and fellow Sydney man Khaled Sharrouf, 33, for their activities in the Middle East. The two men posted images from Iraq on Twitter, showing them posing with the heads of executed fighters, holding guns and standing over bloodied bodies. Elomar's brother Ahmed, 31, a former champion boxer like his younger sibling, was arrested in Lebanon for alleged terrorist links in 2007 and just in May was sentenced to jail for the flagpole bashing of a Sydney police officer in the Hyde Park riots. Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/08/05/14/36/mohamed-elomar-renews-twitter-attack-recruits-jihadists
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Yeah, because posting that on twitter isn't going to get ASIS watching his account like hawks. :lol:
Like they said, it's unverified and more likely it's the local PD trying to get some bites.
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Isn't there a theory that the CIA controls Twitter so that they can easily track dumb fucks like that? -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:Isn't there a theory that the CIA controls Twitter so that they can easily track dumb fucks like that?
-PB The CIA do some pretty wack shit. Wouldn't be surprised if it were true. Given the amount of watching that they do, I wouldn't be surprised.
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afromanGT wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Isn't there a theory that the CIA controls Twitter so that they can easily track dumb fucks like that?
-PB The CIA do some pretty wack shit. Wouldn't be surprised if it were true. Given the amount of watching that they do, I wouldn't be surprised. If you have nothing to hide, why be concerned about what they can see?
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Roar #1 wrote:afromanGT wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Isn't there a theory that the CIA controls Twitter so that they can easily track dumb fucks like that?
-PB The CIA do some pretty wack shit. Wouldn't be surprised if it were true. Given the amount of watching that they do, I wouldn't be surprised. If you have nothing to hide, why be concerned about what they can see? I guess because there has to be a line between what they can see now and an Orwellian type presence. I've got nothing to hide and it doesn't bother me right now, but how far can they go?
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afromanGT wrote:Roar #1 wrote:afromanGT wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Isn't there a theory that the CIA controls Twitter so that they can easily track dumb fucks like that?
-PB The CIA do some pretty wack shit. Wouldn't be surprised if it were true. Given the amount of watching that they do, I wouldn't be surprised. If you have nothing to hide, why be concerned about what they can see? I guess because there has to be a line between what they can see now and an Orwellian type presence. I've got nothing to hide and it doesn't bother me right now, but how far can they go? But surely the CIA aren't digging that far into the lives of the average joe. It would take a hell of a lot of effort to monitor 300 million people. As long as you're not typing " how to make a bomb" into google, I think the government aren't watching you.
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Roar #1 wrote:afromanGT wrote:Roar #1 wrote:afromanGT wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Isn't there a theory that the CIA controls Twitter so that they can easily track dumb fucks like that?
-PB The CIA do some pretty wack shit. Wouldn't be surprised if it were true. Given the amount of watching that they do, I wouldn't be surprised. If you have nothing to hide, why be concerned about what they can see? I guess because there has to be a line between what they can see now and an Orwellian type presence. I've got nothing to hide and it doesn't bother me right now, but how far can they go? But surely the CIA aren't digging that far into the lives of the average joe. It would take a hell of a lot of effort to monitor 300 million people. As long as you're not typing " how to make a bomb" into google, I think the government aren't watching you. Why would the government watch you when they can get google to do it for you? :lol:
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Everyone has nothing to hide until someone with too much power makes a tenuous connection to an innocent situation to make you look like you have something to hide.
It's the same reason that you should never talk to the police, even when you have "nothing to hide". [youtube]6wXkI4t7nuc[/youtube]
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notorganic wrote:Everyone has nothing to hide until someone with too much power makes a tenuous connection to an innocent situation to make you look like you have something to hide.
It's the same reason that you should never talk to the police, even when you have "nothing to hide". [youtube]6wXkI4t7nuc[/youtube] :lol: so you're saying police will try to frame you when ever possible?
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Roar #1 wrote:notorganic wrote:Everyone has nothing to hide until someone with too much power makes a tenuous connection to an innocent situation to make you look like you have something to hide.
It's the same reason that you should never talk to the police, even when you have "nothing to hide". [youtube]6wXkI4t7nuc[/youtube] :lol: so you're saying police will try to frame you when ever possible? Of course that is possible, but no, I didn't say that at all. If you're saying that it isn't possible, then we have a separate history education lined up for you.
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notorganic wrote:Roar #1 wrote:notorganic wrote:Everyone has nothing to hide until someone with too much power makes a tenuous connection to an innocent situation to make you look like you have something to hide.
It's the same reason that you should never talk to the police, even when you have "nothing to hide". [youtube]6wXkI4t7nuc[/youtube] :lol: so you're saying police will try to frame you when ever possible? Of course that is possible, but no, I didn't say that at all. If you're saying that it isn't possible, then we have a separate history education lined up for you. Go on
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Roar #1 wrote:notorganic wrote:Roar #1 wrote:notorganic wrote:Everyone has nothing to hide until someone with too much power makes a tenuous connection to an innocent situation to make you look like you have something to hide.
It's the same reason that you should never talk to the police, even when you have "nothing to hide". [youtube]6wXkI4t7nuc[/youtube] :lol: so you're saying police will try to frame you when ever possible? Of course that is possible, but no, I didn't say that at all. If you're saying that it isn't possible, then we have a separate history education lined up for you. Go on So, you're saying that it's not possible for Police to frame innocent people?
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notorganic wrote:Roar #1 wrote:notorganic wrote:Roar #1 wrote:notorganic wrote:Everyone has nothing to hide until someone with too much power makes a tenuous connection to an innocent situation to make you look like you have something to hide.
It's the same reason that you should never talk to the police, even when you have "nothing to hide". [youtube]6wXkI4t7nuc[/youtube] :lol: so you're saying police will try to frame you when ever possible? Of course that is possible, but no, I didn't say that at all. If you're saying that it isn't possible, then we have a separate history education lined up for you. Go on So, you're saying that it's not possible for Police to frame innocent people? Popcorn at the ready.
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Man sent to jail after prosecutor "shelved" evidence that would have cleared him after his daughter and mother set him up: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/i-was-innocent-but-went-to-jail/story-e6frf7kx-1225980137461?nk=c76c7bd0b5ca8fc5c1bae5d2acf01e9bRoseann Beckett went to jail for 12 years on dodgy evidence and procedures followed by investigating officers - has since won the right to sue: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-10/barns-wronged-by-justice/4680810"In court Tuesday, Wrice testified that two former officers beat him with a flashlight and a 20-inch (50 centimetre) piece of rubber - the same weapons, lawyers say, that others have said the two used on them to get them to confess to crimes or implicate others in crimes they did not commit." http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/stanley-wrice-freed-after-30-years-in-jail/story-fnixwvgh-1226781600476"Farah Jama is a very lucky man. The justice system, which had failed him so appallingly up to now, has finally got it right with the overturning yesterday by the Victorian Court of Appeal of his conviction for rape. The 22-year-old has spent 16 months in jail after he was convicted by a jury on the basis of tainted DNA evidence." http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/12/08/australia-needs-criminal-case-review-committees/INVESTIGATING INNOCENCE The Emerging Role of Innocence Projects in the Correction of Wrongful Conviction in Australia http://www98.griffith.edu.au/dspace/bitstream/handle/10072/6223/23438_1.pdf?sequence=1
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Many of those aforementioned cases it makes no difference whether you talk or not. Especially the third and fourth articles.
The main reason you don't talk is that if they've brought you in for questioning then they obviously think that they have reason to suspect you and can use anything you say to get a response out of you or another person at a later date. I've heard of at least once case where they've doctored audio of an interview.
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Quote:Bondi racist bus attack: Jewish schools on alert after eight males threaten to cut schoolchildren’s throats, five teenagers arrested
THE bus driver at the centre of the racial verbal abuse attack on a Jewish school bus has told police he was “unaware” young children were being threatened.
The six teens who boarded the 660 bus on Allison Rd, Randwick, yesterday afternoon were also students themselves, dressed in partial uniform, police confirmed this morning.
Superintendent Jason Cox said police had spoken to the driver.
“The bus driver has provided a version. I believe from the evidence he has given he was unaware of what happened. I can’t establish if he was made aware by the schoolchildren,” he said.
Supt Cox said five of the group had been arrested this morning and they were seeking to speak to a sixth.
“There is one more male juvenile we wish to speak to about this matter. He knows who he is. I would like him to present himself at Waverley Police Station, if not we will be able to identify him,” he said.
The bus driver is believed to have let the group on the bus because some were in partial school uniform and had bus passes.
“It was an STA school bus that was not restricted to any school. Any schoolchildren can enter that bus,” Supt Cox said.
“Some of the six juveniles had bus passes and were in partial school uniform. I can only assume the bus driver thought they were schoolchildren due to their age and what they were wearing and bus passes were produced.”
The intoxicated group were arrested 12 hours after the bus incident in Rose Bay on Military Rd, the same road the 660 bus they terrorised the students on runs along, for an “unrelated matter”.
“Our crews were patrolling this morning and our duty officer was able to identify the five juvenile males from CCTV from the bus,” Supt Cox said.
“They were stopped for an unrelated matter. Police were called to an area at Rose Bay, these juveniles were sighted and identified for this matter and arrested.”
Due to their level of intoxication they could not be formally interviewed by police. Their parents were contacted and Waverley detectives plan to formally interview the group later today.
Supt Cox said the group had not been involved in any other incidents while on their drunken rampage last night.
“The incident is quite disturbing for all the schoolchildren who were on the bus and it is something police are treating seriously,” he said.
Police said any video footage taken by the Jewish students from Mt Sinai College and Emanuel School would be sought but he would not say what charges could be laid.
He said the group were “known to police” but Supt Cox said he did not think it was a targeted attack.
“Some of juveniles are known to police, some are not,” he said.
“I believe this is random and opportunistic incident and just be mindful it isn’t anything more than that. I know the current tensions do cause concern with international incidents at the moment but in opinion it is isolated.
“I am hoping everything will be put in a context for this incident. I do not believe it was targeted.”
The bus was followed by security from the Community Safety Group in this red car. Meanwhile security was beefed up at three Jewish schools in Sydney this morning following the sickening racial attack.
This morning, an armed member of the NSW Jewish Board of Deputies’ Community Safety Group patrolled the entrance to Mt Sinai College in Maroubra.
There were several guards at Emmanuel College and at least one at Moriah College.
The 660 morning bus route from Dover Heights to Maroubra was near empty as it snaked through the eastern suburbs at 7.20am.
Many parents car pooled to take their children to school in guaranteed safety.
Along the 660 route parents were at every stop children got on the bus.
More than half-a-dozen Emanuel School students got on at one stop while about the same number of Mt Sinai students were on board for the 50-minute trip.
Mt Sinai principal Phil Roberts greeted the young group and shepherded them into the school at Maroubra.
Mrs Blackburn claimed the bus driver had allowed the men on but refused to give his name Mrs Blackburn claimed the bus driver had allowed the men on but refused to give his name when she questioned him. Photo: Danielle Smith Nearly every child that walked into the school was accompanied by a parent or relative.
One parent, Arkadi, whose children used to get the 660 bus before they moved closer to Mt Sinai, said the incident had rocked the school community.
“It is upsetting. This morning I spoke to my daughters, they are upset. It’s not a pleasant thing, they had friends on the bus,” he said.
The threatened students, from Mount Sinai College, Moriah College and Emanuel School were hysterical after the attack as the school bus travelled through the eastern suburbs towards Bondi Junction.
The attackers, described as caucasian and smelling of alcohol, boarded on Alison Rd, Randwick at 4pm.
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Mother Jacqui Blackburn said her three daughters on the bus, aged eight, 10 and 12, were traumatised. “The bus driver opened the doors for these strange men and allowed them on to torment the kids,” she said. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/bondi-racist-bus-attack-jewish-schools-on-alert-after-eight-males-threaten-to-cut-schoolchildrens-throats-five-teenagers-arrested/story-fni0cx4q-1227015860427Edited by Heineken: 7/8/2014 03:40:40 PM
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