This is pretty much what I suspected. I'm 100% sure there are disruptive little shits in these schools that cannot be reprimanded as they should because these kids parents pay a heap of money for their education.

The one extremely important advantage private schools have over public schools is their ability to hire and fire their own staff.

There are moves afoot to let this happen in public schools by giving the principal far more autonomy but of course the Teacher's Union is kicking up a massive stink.

The public school system, like all places, could do with a clear out of deadwood from time to time.

Very true.

The issue with the autonomy of private schools is their ability to implement religious dogma on students and teachers. I guess if you're a teacher you know what you're getting yourself into but as a student it's your parents paying for indoctrination.

Re: Indoctrination the parents know that but weigh it up against the "better " education their kids are getting.

The biggest drama for the public school system, like everything is money. Not for resources but for teachers.

Because the pay is so low there is a correspondingly and worryingly low entry score required to get into university.

Some of the lowest entry scores required across all fields of study.

Ramp up the pay by 50% and watch people flock to the sector. With more applicants you can select better and smarter candidates.

Of course it all comes down to money. Like everything.

This was exactly my experience. In fact I worked for 4 years before going to Uni and completed my degree without failing a single subject.

Had it not been for a very encouraging person at an information day I went to I'd probably still be work in dead end menial jobs.

Just realised that I've misread the dates and that my history exam is on Wednesday 11th, not Wednesday the 18th...

:( 36 hours to cram.

If you're using IQ tests as the definition of intelligence (I am not aware of any current objective standard as a better definition of intelligence) then research shows IQ is correlated to academic achievement - higher IQ leads to greater academic achievement, on average.

But to be successful in general it helps not only to have an academic background but also to have social skills and life experience away from the academic world.

I don't think you get what I'm saying. I'm not saying people who have been to university aren't intelligent. I'm saying that those who've been to university for ages and haven't done anything, often, lack other important skills for the real world.

Most jobs don't require somebody to have a PhD. Sure there are people with PhDs who brilliantly in the real world.

But imagine some engineering job for which an undergraduate degree will suffice. The employer has to choose between somebody with a PhD who has never worked (except maybe tutoring), has no social skills and has lived at home for ever or somebody who has just completed a good undergraduate degree, has done an internship in that field, has worked as a bartender, a labourer, in retail, finds it easy to build rapport talking to anybody, has travelled extensively and has great problem-solving skills.

One has more academic qualifications than the other. But to be best qualified requires more than academic qualifications.

In the real world, academic intelligence is only one form of intelligence. It helps to have it, but you need more than that.

Imagine a doctor with no bedside manner. If you're involved in brokering contracts, do you think somebody who has done a PhD but has no social skills is going to be more handy than somebody who may (or may not) have a university education but can read body language and control the situation. Emotional intelligence counts for a lot in the real world.

You're absolutely right that there are links between academic achievement and intelligence.

But it's short-sighted to assume academics are more intelligent than others (both in terms of academic intelligence and other forms of intelligence, such as emotional intelligence).

I have a lot of uncles. Their professions range from medicine to teaching to psychology to law. Most of them are very educated fellows. I'm fairly sure that, barring the uncle who's a QC, that my uncle who dropped out of university would win the most arguments. The one who dropped out of university is the most erudite, can recall and apply relevant pieces of information at the drop of a hat and can apply logic quicker and more efficiently than any of the others. That's not to say he's more intelligent than all the others. And I'm sure they can be perfectly logical, just not as quickly as him. But I honestly struggle to think of anybody I know (other than some lawyers) as convincing and ruthlessly logical as he is.

Also not sure that higher IQ does, necessarily, lead to greater academic achievement. I reckon there would be a lot of people with first-class honours degrees (in all fields) who have only above average IQ levels.

At least, I hope so.

Work ethic plays a huge part. Knowing how to study what you need to study efficiently plays another part.

And again, IQ isn't necessarily the best measure of intelligence. Aside from the fact that it doesn't measure emotional intelligence, which is critical to success in any number of high-profile jobs, I think IQ has certain biases even within academic learning.

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Last exam for the year today in 1 hour \:d/

First year of masters done.

Master Trole Degree?

-PB

Saw this on Gruen XL just then->
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This, balance is the key.

Unless you're a total genius, you can still be very smart and be utterly useless in the real world.

Suckling at the teet of life ;)

I love suckling teets. :lol:
Natures best medicine :d

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Success and intelligence are two very different things.
Many tend to use wealth and earnings as measures of success, but although CEOs have the highest earnings, they are far from having the highest levels of intelligence. Research does show they have the highest levels of psychopathy, of any profession.

A CEO is a title, not a profession. There may be some professional CEOs who only choose to work as such, but the requirements for every job are completely different.

Lawyers are the highest by actual profession.

Quite, re the first sentence.

But to do well in any job, especially jobs which benefit other people (thinking teachers, doctors, nurses, social workers, etc.), IQ type intelligence is not sufficient. One must have emotional intelligence (and often other types of intelligence,, too). If you have mensa level IQ but you cannot relate to another person, fat lot of good you'll do at most jobs (whether their focus is to help the community or to make as much money as possible or whatever).

As I say, doctors need excellent bedside manner. Teachers need to find ways of relating to children. Social workers need to be able to relate to and to empower the most marginalised people in the community.

Do you think being some kind of IQ genius will make this happen? They need the kind of intelligence to which you refer. However it does not suffice. They also need emotional intelligence.

Going by personal experience (so yes it's anecdata), more intelligent people are more empathetic, on average. I haven't come across peer reviewed research on the issue, but my bet is there is a correlation between IQ and empathy.
FYI, emotional intelligence (EIQ) is not a standardised measure - it is not accepted as a measure of a form of intelligence, but was popularised by the book of the same name.

I never suggested that emotional intelligence was standardised. I use the term emotional intelligence for the sake of simplicity. It's 100% clear what I'm referring to. Whether you consider it a form of intelligence or not is irrelevant.

If you don't have emotional intelligence (or whatever you wish to call it), then it doesn't matter how much IQ type intelligence you have, you're somewhat restricted. You can't do much for others without emotional intelligence.

And it's clear that some people have more emotional intelligence than others, even if it's not quite something which we can measure.

I can't relate to you finding a link between high IQ and higher levels of empathy. I cannot see any correlation between having a high IQ and being more empathetic.

Hermann Goering had an IQ that was off the charts. Even the way he mounted his defence at Nuremberg attests to that.

What does that tell you? Nothing at all.

I actually find it somewhat insulting to suggest that people with a higher IQ tend to be more empathetic.

Has anyone here completed the TPP to get into university? If so, what is it like? Would you recommend going down that path?

Just got my parchment for a post-grad course in Self-Managed Super. Anyone need an Accountant?

Freya Newman gets a good behaviour bond after whistleblowing Francis Abbott's scholarship for the White House

Goes to show to you, nothing is merit based...

Why I hoped Freya Newman got royally fucked by the Law is that Francis Abbott is innocent in all of this. It's not her fault her dad is Tony Abbott.

Leaking that sort of information can seriously affect a young persons life and future prospects. The lack of consideration in itself is worth a serious conviction.

Melbourne University pressured to rename buildings after theyre named after racist founders