In business this is known as triple bottom line accounting. Kids take note from someone who's clearly running one.

I only eat free range carrots.

i have my own theory on what you do with the carrots.....;) :-" #-o

I feel like this thread is getting progressively dumber.

Shame because it was a decent concept.

I'm not sure about progressively... It was a pretty steep dumb cliff that it fell off.

it was and is a great thread except it was hijacked by a person of limited intelligence

I also purchased 2 boxes of caged eggs :-"

we have to pay for another recycling bin from council due to how efficient my darling wife is at recycling and of course how many empty wine bottles i dispose of......not sure it's fair that i have to pay for an additional recycling bin.....

our main rubbish bin is collected weekly but the recycle bin is fortnightly...is everyone's the same???

Edited by batfink: 8/7/2013 05:49:05 PM

We also collect all our food scraps in a special bin i installed in the kitchen, this is used to feed to chickens,ducks and geese. I have an arrangement with a local farmer whereby i collect old round bales of hay/meadow/oats/lucerne that have been spoiled and are of no use to him.....i barter with some of my pork meat or sausages/bacon/ that i make......i bring the bales back home and use them for pig bedding in there mobile huts i made and also in their paddocks if its a bit muddy......the pigs are very clean and defecate in the same area each day and we pitch fork the hay onto it to keep the smell down......later i muck out the pigs pens with my baby tractor and make around 40-60 cubic metres of manure a year........i then use this on my veggie garden which is about the size of 2 netball courts, and my wifes veggie garden which is about half a netball court in size,however jam packed with her herbs and small stuff.........then i grow my crops of potatoes,garlic,onions,turnips,carrots,corn...ETC ETC... and when they are done i put a single strand electric fence up around the section of veggie garden i want "tractored" and the pigs do the rest....they do a great job....just about good enough to plant straight into.......we also use the manure for the citris trees......

well good for you guy...!!!!!!!yippee...!!!!:oops: :oops:

why not go and but some meat packed on a bleached sanitary pad and wrapped in plastic and inert gas?????? and if your lucky it might come from a feedlot and may have been washed in ammonia to kill the ecoli

I like this batfink better than the batfink that has a passionate interest in politics.

Green conscious = humane treatment of animals regardless of carbon impact...?

Court rules chicken 'free to roam' label misleading

The Federal Court has found poultry producer Baiada misled people by claiming its chickens were "free to roam".

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) took legal action against the owner of Steggles over its use of the term in advertising campaigns.

It was argued while the birds are housed in large sheds, they can only move in a space equivalent in size to a sheet of A4 paper.

A federal judge has agreed the company and peak industry body Chicken Meat Federation have misled consumers by using the term "free to roam".

The industry has already stopped using the term in advertising.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-08/court-rules-baiada-free-to-roam-label-misleading/4807136?section=vic

this is accurate of the barn fed industry.....

it's also accurate of the type of people who will do anything to get an advantage......

i sell suckling pigs to restuarants and i have supplied some top chefs who appear on my kitchen rules and Masterchef....... and they don't really know what they are getting....

i have to compete against a pig supplier who say's he supplies free range, heritage pork and its as close to organic as can be......

i laugh because this prick utilises chemical castration of pigs, he has a big paddock of 10 different breeds going at it with no control.....he just selects the piglets out of the paddock and supplies them as heritage pork.....but they are all xbred

real free range heritage pork providores use natural castration at around 5 months, prior to that it is not required, they use proper free range methods and they breed true heritage pigs....

there are around eight heritage pig breeds......the large black,berkshire,tamworth,wessex saddleback,duroc and a few other that don't come to mind......

so there are always people who operate on the fringe and cut corners and don't really have a passion for the industry....it's your job as a consumer to make sure you are purchasing the right product for the benefit of the animal the industry and the country....

here in lies the problems...you are all consumers who are to lazy to make the effort.....

does a few $$$ a week really hurt the hip pocket all that much....????

i guess it does if your are listening to coles and woolworths adds.......

if you did your research you would find ethical and humane treatment of animals has no carbon footprint..........actually if we took your arguments we would slaughter every animals including humans because they omit methane.......:cool:

It was too busy crashing down to the bottom to be escalating anywhere.

Some more than others...

It may have 'no' carbon footprint but that doesn't mean that it's environmentally friendly. Many farmers in Argentina over the last decade switched from crops of grains etc to livestock (specifically cattle) because of a perceived higher profit margin but the animals destroyed the land and now they can't farm anything.

Poor farming practices

Absolutely. Farmers inexperienced in livestock overfarming and screwing themselves over. Crux of the presentation is that minimal carbon footprint =/= environmentally friendly.

https://theconversation.com/why-market-forces-dont-protect-animal-welfare-15501

well of course you need to apply a balance sustainable approach to anything in life for it to be practicle,functional and sustainable.....over cropping & overgrazing are poor management problems.

It is believed that Pigs actually have the intelligence/personality of a 4 year old child.....so when you see those images of the stall kept pigs its easy to see that they are stressed, they are being kept within the law and have feed and water and vetinary care, however they aren't happy...which converts to lower quality pork.....

I'm really not up to scratch on my meat quality knowledge. Does a stressed animal lead to worse meat? Would a stressed pig lead to worse ham and bacon too, or just pork (I know it's meat from the same animal, but not sure if the stress affects only certain parts, etc)? Sorry if these are stupid questions, genuinely interested though

Pork definitely, bacon and ham I'm not sure because of the curing process. It'san iinteresting question

yeah well i am guessing that if you start with a piece of pork that has been under stress that then the cured product would be of lesser quality as well......

i know that the best hams,pancetta,prosciutto makers feed there pigs on a strict diet and they are freerange black pigs....mainly they graze under orchard trees to tidy up windfall.

You actually believe that? :lol:

Dichotomous thinking.

Hey rusty. I followed up on that statistician who dismissed the right v left wing IQ research.
I noted that he is heavily religious and is a signatory to the very unscientific Cornwall Alliance.
http://www.cornwallalliance.org/

Edited by ozboy: 9/7/2013 11:38:41 AM

I care a little bit about the environment but I care more about technology, progress and innovation, so I've got no issue bulldozing a few trees and koalas homes if it improves the quality of our lives. You can always grow more trees somewhere else, it's not like we're running out of trees. There's plenty of trees for everyone.