My understanding is that it's an early transition to an ETS, the same thing that was going to happen 12 months down the line.

The major issue with the carbon price is that people didn't really understand it, evidently people still don't.

nah....pretty sure there are a bunch of other shit they are pulling funding on and the GREENS are going ape shit............

"What've you got?"

James Dean reincarnated.

Rebel without a clue.

Cuts to fund carbon price policy

Abolishing statutory formula for fringe benefits tax on cars - $1.8 billion over forward estimates
Energy security fund: bringing forward free permits, then discontinuing program - $770 million over forward estimates
Changes to coal sector jobs package to adjust value to new carbon price - $186 million
Changes to clean technology program and carbon capture and storage program - $586 million over forward estimates
Return unallocated funds from biodiversity fund to budget - $213 million over forward estimates
Cuts to funding for carbon farming futures program - $143 million over forward estimates
Changes to public service including 1 per cent cut in executive staff numbers - $248 million

so you would be really happy about all of those policies...right!?!?!??!?!

Why would you assume that?

just answer the question Matt.....it's a pretty simple question.....

go on you can do it.....

It's a leading/dumb question with a flawed premise... so I'm asking why you would assume that I would be happy about those policies.

It's the folly of people like Thupercoach and yourself only thinking in terms of the generally non-existent left/right divide.

I'm not a member of the ALP, and I haven't voted for them in the past 4 elections... so the assumption that I would support whatever they do is a bit strange.

i don't see it as strange when you spend 99% of your time on these forum defending this government...........simple as that.............

and i thought you would be pretty disappointed with these policy u turns and this is the very thing that amazes me with supporters of this government......no matter how bad they perform, no matter what lies they tell, no matter what amount of deceit and lack of scouples they display people keep supporting them.......just blows me away

This is an odd one. Is it food companies that dictate price or the market? If there's more demand for junk food this will create more competition and drive the price down, there isn't the same demand for healthy foods to be cost competitive. Not the fault of the food companies if the market chooses obesity and diabetes over good health.

Correct. Human behaviour determines the market, not vice versa.

You can buy alcohol in US supermarkets and Japanese vending machines and yet they don't have an alcoholism problem. Try that here and there'll be even more drunks in the streets.

yeah human behaviour.....#-o #-o

like when you see some stupid mother with a child in a pram with a milk bottle full of coke........?????

so this season i have planted 6 varieties of Garlic, and a few varieties of red shallots

sick of the bleached garlic in the stores, i grew a few heads last years and it was so good i have 160 bulbs in ready to harvest early november so the chart says

The Garlic you get in super markets these days is just terrible.

i reckon.....also what is happening in Australia is the top quality stuff is shipped out and earmarked for export or restuarant quality and the rest is average shit for the consumer.....


also so much of the fruits and vegies are irradiated to extend shelf life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_irradiation

As someone who works in hospitality and thus has sporadic eating habits at best, I can't say food irradiation bothers me overly as it keeps the food in my fridge edible for a little while longer.

But the fact that you practically have to use an entire bulb of garlic to get any flavour out of it is bloody absurd :lol:

teah not convinced any human contrived manipulation of is can improve it......

prefer it straight from my garden......

1/.when shopping what carry bags do you use??? Plastic bags/take your own
2/.do you try and buy australian grown produce??
3/.do you recycle at home or dont care?
4/.now the water crisis is over are you still water conscience?
5/.what is your electricity bill worth??
6/.do you gook home cooked meals from start or do you buy processed/ready made meals?
7/.do you grow and fruit/vegies/herbs?
8/.do you have chickens?
9/.do you have a mulch pile?
10/.do you think you are enviromentally aware and responsive?

That would go down really well with my landlord.

LOL, Yeah i imagine it would

i remember once i was a young tradesman and i got a service call to checkout a faulty light in a unit in cabramatta....when i got there, there was water in the light so i went upstairs to ask the tenant above if they had, had any overflows or leaking showers or similar....

when the unit door open it was like WTF...!!!!!!! kitchen cupboard door taken off with wire nailed on with chickens living in there/.....but wait a bedroom where they had put plastic down on the floor and up the walls a bit with plants growing, vegies the lots.....thats where the water was coming from......

never forget that one.....:lol:


Edited by batfink: 23/7/2013 09:24:23 AM

Yeah..."veggies" :lol:

:lol:



Depends which car we drive. If it's the mrs' car, canvas bags. If it's my ute, plastic bags (which we store in a cupboard in our house, and mostly use for cleaning up the cat litter box).



Buy fruit/veggies from Woolies. Doesn't bother me where they get it from tbh.



Recycle



Yep. Currently in planning stages of getting a small water tank aswell.



Can't remember the amount per quarter. But each bill is accompanied with an info sheet, and apparently in our area (how far the area stretches, I don't know) we are using less electricity than households with only 1 resident. I'm skeptical if this is true though, as to me it just seems they're trying to tell people they can use more electricity and not feel bad. For the sake of the argument though, I think somewhere between $250-$350 per quarter in electricity bills.



Home cooked. Although a lot of them involve those satchels for slow cookers, or a chicken tonight jar, or something like that.



Herbs yes. Veggies no (but veggie garden in plans). Fruit yes - biggest lemon tree in neighbourhood, small mandarin tree I plan on getting big, a couple of pots of strawberries, fully developed mango tree (although apparently it hasn't fruited in 2 years (we've only been at the place for a year or so) so will wait and see on that one.



No but I plan to. Have the hutch ready and everything. Am thinking 2-3 chickens, solely to feed the mrs eggs as she eats eggs every day.



We have a few bags of mulch we bought from bunnings in the shed.



I think I'm better than a lot of people. But also see the "hypocrite" that I am, seeing as though I work in the coal mining industry and want it to last forever.

i reckon your well on the way,
a real good thing to grow that gives awesome return are beans and snow peas......also a good way to grow spuds in a small area is Vertically.....some people use car tyres but they are ugly...but you can use timber and stakes and when the spud plant comes up through the dirt keep piling the straw on top so just the very end of the spud plant gets light and it will go up and up...ready to pick when it flowers and the flowers wilt

Yeah we don't use a whole lot of garlic. When we do, we usually just use the jar of minced garlic you can get on the shelf. Probably not great, or good for you, but works for us.

Yeah I'm not sure about the mango tree either. It's completely isolated from any other tree in our front yard. I spent 3 months thinking it was a frangipani (sp) tree tbh, until the neighbour told us it's a mango and fruited every year leading up to two-three years ago, and he hasn't seen it fruit since.

Not too worried about noise with chickens. We have no neighbours either side or behind us, and only across the road neighbours. One across the road neighbour is a former farmer so he'd dig us having chickens, and the other across the road neighbour is usually up till 2am playing with their cars in their front yard so any noise our future chickens make will be karma coming at them. The mrs' grandmother has huge amazing success with Isa Brown laying hens, plus there's a farm nearby that always advertises selling them, so was going to get them.

I've really wanted to grow beans and tomatoes for ages. Was planning on using an old wooden ladder that was left in my shed when I got the place, plus chase some other old wooden ladders, to use as stakes - think it will look awesome.

Edited by pv4: 23/7/2013 10:28:51 AM

yeah isa browns are rock solid...no chook will lay all year round so we have a few breeds to get us almost year round eggs....we have some French maran chickens and their eggs are dark as milk chocolate and taste great......apparently they are the favoured egg of james bond...LOL.....

The mrs's grandmothers has two isa browns and they lay all year round - one or two a day between the two of them. Is that a rarity?

yeah they will lay an egg a day, and lay about 300 eggs a year...when they malt (spell) loose their feathers (once a year) they go off they lay

we get between 4-6 dozen a day

Edited by batfink: 23/7/2013 11:01:13 AM

Yeah, hers lay all year round. No month or two lay-off (lol) or anything.

4-6 dozen? Do you supply the whole neighbourhood with eggs? Or make a buttload of quiches or something?

Supply the local pranksters with all their egging needs :lol: