[quote=batfink]1/.when shopping what carry bags do you use??? Plastic bags/take your own
Plastic bags
2/.do you try and buy australian grown produce??
My wife does 99.9% of our shopping, yes she does her best supporting our produce,we are quite close to Flem markets, she does an early am run Saturdays.
3/.do you recycle at home or dont care?
We do our best to recycle
4/.now the water crisis is over are you still water conscience?
Yes she's at me and the kids turning off the taps brushing teeth etc, we make use of the dish washer every night nowadays where we once only used it when entertaining go figure !
Have water tanks still use them.
5/.what is your electricity bill worth??
Recent bill $453
6/.do you gook home cooked meals from start or do you buy processed/ready made meals?
Wife is a foodie, everything made fresh where possible.
7/.do you grow and fruit/vegies/herbs?
Herbs, new vege patch getting ready for the summer and beyond.
8/.do you have chickens?
No and won't.
9/.do you have a mulch pile?
Yep, avid gardener - therapy after letting loose on the Sat arvo game
10/.do you think you are enviromentally aware and responsive?
Like pv4 mentioned I'm also a hypocrite - as much as I do my best in many aspects I have a V8 toy in the garage that drinks 24+litres/100 when pushed and I love it and the fuel smell :d

yeah the Mrs has customers.....but a lot of the eggs are used in our incubators for breeding she sells plenty of chickens and she shows them as well....and the stuff that is shit we kill and eat....

Changing topic slightly: what is the deal with recycling paper? The brother-in-law mentioned to me that it's more expensive (cost or environmentally, I'm not sure) to recycle paper than to make new paper.

the Mrs does.....:cool:

Both. Quite often no bags at all just pile them up into cardboard boxes. Plastic bags get reused as rubbish bags and for other things. Most plastic bags we get these days are degradable plastics made from starches.


Not really




Recycle



Not any more or less than I was before or during. Already collected grey or run off water for watering plants.



We generate less than we use but the pricing system meant that until a while ago we got paid for it.



Scratch.



Yes but the only thing we have producing at the moment is a tonne of oranges, lemons and avocados



We had muscovies until recently. Best animals ever. Nothing better than having a duck big enough to scare the neighbours dogs waddle up for a chat. Since they died its been a constant argument over whether to replace them with chickens or not. Some people don't like treading in bird shit. It does't bother me.



We have a compost for food waste and smaller plants. Our trees and weeds go into the green bin.



More than a lot of people

The kids don't get emotionally attached to the animals? I'll never forget my uncle used to raise a couple of pigs at a time, and his daughter decided she wanted to look after one of them. Thing was they used to rear them then eat them. We ate Piglet for xmas dinner one year and my cousin's been vegetarian ever since. And that was a good 10-12 years ago :lol:

mate i have no idea....but i would suggest that as far as the argument between new bleached paper and recycled paper the cost wouldn't be much.....i think the saving to the enviroment would be no trees required to be pulped..... so same process and cost but less trees used....

don't know i could be wrong....?

Yeah I'm legit clueless on the topic. You'd imagine if you added up all the emissions to do this and that, it may not be worth recycling paper. EDIT: yeah, I was meaning actually what you do with your random bits of mail you want to discard.

Would love for someone to get a definite answer though, would be interesting. I've read a few different websites that have very conflicting views.

I've just decided to avoid all confusion, I'm going to buy a shredder and use the shredded paper as the starter for my woodfire :lol:

Edited by pv4: 23/7/2013 01:24:18 PM

The amount of energy and water used to recycle paper is just as bad for the environment, you're just taking solace in the fact that you're not lopping down another tree.

well it's great to see lots of people having a crack.......there are some great seed sites on the web with heirloom veggies that taste better and are very interesting so you can get the kids into it....like purple,white yellow carrots,weird pumpkins ETC

yes but i think the pulp mill has to reuse the water and recycle as much as possible....also they can farm water from grey water and roof....trees are much harder to grow and the life cycle would be longer....water is far more renewable...especially if there are plenty of trees....trees make rain...

Not really a factor as they use specific plantation forests. Having worked in the industry I can tell you there isn't a great deal of environmental difference between recycled and virgin fibre copy paper.

Recycled is more expensive as it's a more complex process. Draw your conclusions from that.


Edited by thupercoach: 23/7/2013 03:09:24 PM

So if I have a random piece of paper that I do not want to keep confidential, what is the best way for me to dispose of it? General waste or recycling? And is shredding and using in fire better than those two?

You options are - paper waste which will result in conversion, not necessarily into copy paper but for something less precise line cardboard or toilet paper.

Burying the thing in landfill helps sequester carbon, and if you believe carbon is bad for us then it's another good way.

I'd say just put it in paper recycling.

Basically, unless you're one of those fuckhead tree-huggers who believes in the vibrations and spirit of trees, it doesn't matter :lol:

i was under the impression that they chip old growth timber in Tasmania for export as chip to japan for paper???

if Australia had any fucken idea they would be growing commercial grade hemp for paper and textiles

Japan?! AGAIN?! Those bastards!!!

well last time i was in Tassie,,,,about 3 years ago there were mountains of woodchips being loaded onto jap ships......

Australia needs to learn how to value add.....

we have iron ore so we should have the best steel industries
we have gold so we should have the greatest wealth
we have silver,zinc,tin,uranium,gas and so much more but we just sell for bulk and are a lazy participant........we really should be investing in developing our industries to their full potential.......i am sure you all can list a bunch of industries we can develope.....

damn shame.........

This.

Re Tassie old growth forest, that's a myth and nothing else. No one in the last 30 years has chopped old growth forest for copy paper.

ok....so have they stopped ALL old growth felling???

big fortnight at home.....30 piglets on the ground.....

aaarrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AFAIK it still goes on, but not for the copy paper industry which is very regulated, especially here in Australia. I think in Tassie they are still chopping down old growth trees for furniture and the like but I am not certain of this.

should be stopped ................for any purpose

Where else would you keep them?

in the freezer......;) ;) ;)

Do you make your own bacon?

Pigs fly... :)

By on the ground do you mean they've died, or been born?

Last night I pissed on my lime tree.

Am I green now?