fuck you and your necrophilia

Epic bump... But worth revisiting one year on. ;)

Also note that my old doom-and-gloom sparring partner doesn't appear to have posted at all since my last response... I love the smell of napalm in the morning, smells like victory (not to be confused with Victory).

Noticed the title of the story has been changed
can we now change the title of this thread for the sake of consistency?

People giving these armchair fuckwits the time of day :lol:

Awesome gif...

My problem with TOBs is that he is so obsessed with South Melbourne that he appears to have missed the other clubs who are involved - and the councils - and the Parks & Leisure guys... His motivation - the outright hatred for one club - is so transparent you could use it for a window.

I read what the article stated, I read what the guidelines that the FFV are putting forward, I read the press released from the club, then I read the argument you are somehow trying to formulate and all I see is;



-PB

Its kind of funny but hard to watch this battle of wits when one is unarmed

Finally, I note you keep talking about South, despite the fact that the chap who did the financial modeling is from a Box Hill club.

If South are so powerful that they can control over 40 clubs, the Dept of Parks and Leisure, the 442 editorial staff, a couple of local councils, the PFA, etc., then why do we even need the FFV?

You still haven't said on who's shoulder you're going to cry next now the FFA has said it backs the FFV.

You do admit that was another of your fibs when you said the FFA was not backing the FFV, don't you?

How long before David Gallop now becomes the target of attacks by the puppet show I wonder?

10 years on and it seems to me you are starting to position yourself for another 10plus years of whinging and moaning about the unjust and biased treatment of your club by the governing bodies.

Listen. Nobody's trying to kill off your club. That's a delusion and an excuse to justify the SMFC bitters' chronic and irrational anger with the world.

Just keep repeating this line: "We Brought This Upon Ourselves By Withrawing From The Licence Process".

It's your own club that is trying to kill off your club. Don't start blaming everybody else again.

Edited by ton.of.bricks: 5/8/2013 11:20:56 AM

I beg to differ on the final comment.

Look at it this way - the clubs in the VPL currently make ends meet despite paying $1,000s to the FFV in registration fees.

Set up a 'rebel' league and they would have the same sources of income, but would no longer have the FFV costs to cover.

Denied entry into future competitions if they don't join the NPL? That's a laugh. The clubs are arguing that they would go broke in the NPL, which would kill off any chance of playing in ANY future competition.

Again - the question is "why does the FFV refuse to negotiate with any of the 43 clubs that actually showed good will in applying to join their NPL?"

The only answer so far has come from our friend TOBs - that the FFV WANTS to kill off the old clubs (and apparently the new start up clubs too, because they are subject to the same inflexible rules).

The FFA under Gallop in the article say this;

“Each state and territory member federation has the opportunity to shape the NPL criteria to fit their own circumstances," Gallop said.

“FFA encourages all parties to work for the good of the game in Victoria. In any change process, issues will arise, but as we've seen in other states these matters can be best resolved without the intervention of FFA."

The only quoted item from the FFA I read it as saying the States can adjust the NPL to fit its own circumstances. The FFA would like to see all interested parties work together for the benefit of the game. And the FFA would rather not interfer in State issues.

They haven't made a "judgement" FFV's version of the NPL at all.

But Brendan Schwab coming out and stating catergorically that the PFA is against the FFA's Player Point System is a huge development.

If the PFA is successful on overturning this and effectively removing it, this changes the whole landescape of the competition and most importantly the purpose.

In effect it will no longer be a "development league" it will become a truer version of second tier competition.

:-"

Oh dear, it would appear that my puppets now include the editorial staff at 442, who having reviewed the content of the FFA's statements have now decided that they are "speaking out" rather than "backing").

As for the talks - yes, further offers have been made, with the full knowledge of the FFA.

South isn't sacrificing anything - you need to pay attention - the aim is for the club to own an A-League team WHILST AT THE SAME TIME playing as South Melbourne in the NPL.

The FFA/FFV is setting up a new competition that clubs can buy into if they wish by paying a license fee and abiding by the new rules (just like the HAL). No court can strike this out. The rebel clubs either get FFV to change the criteria to suit them or they form their own league. Nobody is being forced into the NPL. By not being in the NPL you deprive yourself of participation in future comps like the FFA Cup but that is your choice. If there is a rebel league in VIC then it's all downhill for those clubs - and they know it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there aren't issues with the FFV, I'm just not so sure the FFV are acting contrary to the FFA's wishes and the FFA have virtually said as much.

I for one would like to see this resolved amicably for the benefit of Victorian(Australian) Football.

you are right....but no one challenged the FFA back then.
If they had it would have been found in favour by the courts....no one had the money back than to take it on.

The PFA will however challenge the FFA on the PPS shortly

This time the FFV will be challenged on the NPL model in Vic, but its more than that.

They have grown to 70-80 full time staff down here
In WA and Nth NSW, they have the same roughly number of clubs but only 15 full time staff each.

The current model is unviable, the clubs carry all the risk. And they want BANK GAURANTEES !!
The FFV is an Outsourced Service Provider that gets paid by the clubs,
They are ignoring and brushing aside 45 plus clubs (the biggest to the smallest, women, juniors the lot).

I agree, except this is a new level of competition with a new set of criteria, much the same way the A-League was a new competition with a new criteria.

so...... clubs will be insolvent if they enter NPL or they will be in financial trouble if they do not......get it

Its a Restraint of trade !!

Joffa,
you're normally a smart fella,
Think it through.

If a club is relegated in the normal course of playing football that is one thing. They must accept it.
If say Knight, or Port or Sth are taken out of the top tier of football other than by relegation.
Than that is a RESTRAINT OF TRADE. So they cannot be moved to a any other tier but the top.
Cause that has commercial implications, less gate, less members, less sponsorship etc.

How can this interpreted any other way than support for the FFV, do clubs realise they don't have to be a part of the NPL?

Nice to see the puppets come out to play again. Things never change huh?

Just one more thing before I go: Are you still privy to those secret talks with the Heart? Are the talks still going on behind closed doors and windows with the FFA blessing? How close is South to buying into the A-League? At the end of the day I hope South is not sacrificing the A-League for the NPL? Fuck that.

Check the heading of the article again.

They corrected it

Ah good old TOB, one of those lunatic Greeks that probably got shafted by SMFC back in the day and still hasn't gotten over it, and he has the nerve to tell others to stop living in the past:lol:

That's just a title picked by a journo at 442 :lol:

Fuck you are delirious :lol:

-PB

Bump for TOB

Title changed.

You used to suffer from selective memory loss, it now appears you also have selective vision loss as well.

The article you commented on comes under the clearly visible and self-explanatory title: FFA backs FFV in NPL row [FFT Article].

If that's not full backing, what sort of backing does your selective mind call that? Half backing? One quarter? No backing at all? Still leving in denial?



This is one of the few times I make the time to respond to one of your posts, but your naivety is beyond funny chris.

I'll type this slowly and in bold in the hope the penny might drop this time.

The clubs are not taking anyone to Court. All they'll be doing is asking the Court to issue an injunction to stop the NPL process until some legal arguments are heard.

Clive Palmer with all his billions tried something similar and failed miserably.

So good luck with that and just remember before your chest caves in from all this chest-beating, your club is arguing that the FFV is not following the FFA guidelines and the FFA is saying that it is. That's called "you don't seem to have a leg to stand on" when you apply for a court injunction, so stop big-mouthing and beating your chest for nothing. Grow up.

Court actions looks likely for Wednesday
Clubs will then ensure the FFA Version of the NPL RECOMMENDATIONS ARE IMPLEMENTED
by either working with the current FFV board or by replacing it
The current proposed ffv model is 80% SUMMER LEAGUE PROGRAM and 20% NPL FFA

Edited by chris: 4/8/2013 01:53:08 AM

"Stop whinging and look to the future"

The clubs are complaining because they do not believe there is a future when they will lose over $100,000/year.

There are some very good business people involved in the FFA model - if you were paying attention you would note that the clubs AGREE with the FFA model. It's the FFV model, which provides fewer opportunities to raise the required income) that the clubs are wanting amended.

Don't be another sheep following the line that this is agitating for the status quo - the clubs are all in favour of the FFA's recommendations - it's the FFV's execution of them they are complaining about.

And again, not sure how you've missed it, but these clubs have all tried to sit down and talk to the FFV, but the FFV won't make any changes.

Edited by Benjamin: 3/8/2013 11:30:52 PM

Trying to figure out if you're dumb or trying to be funny...

Of the 42 clubs that played in the old NSL - only 12 were in Victoria.

Of the 12 in Victoria - only 5 appear on the list (6 if you count Moreland Zebras as an extension of Brunswick Juventus).

As for the addition of the Women's teams on the list - if the FFV are going to keep referring to the 43 applicants for the NPL, which include all of these women's teams - then it's fair for them to be listed in those standing down.