Please don't minimise rape thank you. The whole intoxicated thing is more about individuals getting others drunk just so that they can have sex with them, or using the fact that they're drunk to take advantage of them doing things they wouldn't if they were sober. You can definitely give consent when you're drunk. It's probably a "murky area" because women can (and do) exploit it, claiming they were raped when they were drunk, when in reality they just regret having sex.

LOL, you've given me a lecture in your first sentence, then basically reiterated my point.

Though poorly expressed, 433 has a point.

Just like women are expected to maintain a certain level of make-up in public and groom body hair, men are expected to be clean-shaven (or groom any facial hair) and keep other body hair trimmed, if not shaven.

I get more phone numbers at work when I'm cleanshaven & wearing a shirt and tie than when I'm wearing a t-shirt and jeans and have stubble, this could just be a bizarre phenomenon but I'd contend that there's a standard of grooming applied to men in the 21st century just as much as there is to women.

And as for having babies being the "womens job"...it's not like the men can do it :lol:

:-s

The point I was making is that those things aren't considered rape, and to say they are is minimising something serious. I was also pointing out that you're an idiot to reply to Scoll's like that. "LOLOLOL I've had drunk sex before, that means I was raped omg :o " No.