i'm guessing Helen Smith feels rather rejected then......

Couldn't construct enough sentences to promote your own point of view so just gonna resort to "mangina" and posting links to youtube videos? nice

Oh no............ batfink and his excessive punctuation is here...... :( :( :( :( :( :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :-& :-& :-& :-& :-& :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTOFXLl7eh4&feature=player_embedded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ujWwMSJ1Cw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjrLXS4iXIU

The only thing more pitiful than feminists are mangina white-knights who defer to such women, thinking it will get them kudos and (ultimately) sex...



Edited by Captain Haddock: 6/12/2013 06:57:28 PM

Sorry didn't read the original post if I'm honest.

Yeah, it creates a massive "girl who cried wolf" kind of problem.

i dunno i am 51........

does it still exist the sniff the finger secret check to see if she is clean enough to muff dive...or in this day and age you just don't go there due to STD's?????? or is it something you only do once your both all checked and safe?????

That's a very fine line. There's the girls who are too drunk to say no and are taken advantage of and that to be is always very rapey. But then there's the girls who get smashed, do something with someone they shouldn't, regret it and then cry rape to make it "all better" and trivialise the whole scenario.

:?

Now I've just thought of a 7th reason why men are avoiding marriage.

And there is more to the expectation of female beauty than just hygiene.

:-s

The point I was making is that those things aren't considered rape, and to say they are is minimising something serious. I was also pointing out that you're an idiot to reply to Scoll's like that. "LOLOLOL I've had drunk sex before, that means I was raped omg :o " No.

LOL, you've given me a lecture in your first sentence, then basically reiterated my point.

Kiwi, you never know what standards 433 has ;)

Scoll, it's difficult to know where to even start. Your argument that modern feminism is about equality is simply bullshit. Most expect and demand 'equality' but as soon as something gets to hard and society refuses to give them a leg up then we (men) all become misogynistic bastards.

However telling a feminist this would also make me a misogynistic bastard...

There's more to hygiene than just a splash about in the shower.

I don't disagree with any of that, of course men are held to certain standards too, I was more meaning that it's absolutely ridiculous for him to imply that the only expectation of women regarding looks is to shower.

Though poorly expressed, 433 has a point.

Just like women are expected to maintain a certain level of make-up in public and groom body hair, men are expected to be clean-shaven (or groom any facial hair) and keep other body hair trimmed, if not shaven.

I get more phone numbers at work when I'm cleanshaven & wearing a shirt and tie than when I'm wearing a t-shirt and jeans and have stubble, this could just be a bizarre phenomenon but I'd contend that there's a standard of grooming applied to men in the 21st century just as much as there is to women.

And as for having babies being the "womens job"...it's not like the men can do it :lol:

R u fucking kidding me?



Please don't minimise rape thank you. The whole intoxicated thing is more about individuals getting others drunk just so that they can have sex with them, or using the fact that they're drunk to take advantage of them doing things they wouldn't if they were sober. You can definitely give consent when you're drunk. It's probably a "murky area" because women can (and do) exploit it, claiming they were raped when they were drunk, when in reality they just regret having sex.

I hope you didn't think you were being funny when you were posting that image though 433.

Scoll, you're a spud. You start off in a thread talking about why men are avoiding marriage and make it about feminism and now you've made it about consensual sex.

Sounds about par for a feminist argument.

And don't forget every other country where the mother defaults to primary carer in a ridiculously high percentage of cases. A recent survey in the US found that the father won primary custody in just 10% of cases.

Scoll, you claimed women are equally capable when given equal opportunities in one of your posts.

This is just wrong, men are stronger than women and are better suited to physical work. It is an unavoidable fact. Women probably are also better at other things. This does not mean that women are any less than men, it just means they are less suited to those jobs. Just like a 7 foot person is more suited to be a basketball player than a 5 foot person who would be more suited to being a jockey. Women cannot be everything a man can be and men cannot be everything a women can be.

=d>

@Scoll.

Most of the issue that feminists describe as discrimination originate in one inescapable fact: Life when its all said and done is about reproduction, and the facts of human reproduction is that women have babies.

Women make themselves look physically attractive- and by attractive we really mean fit and healthy looking from the point of being a good selection to have sex with and ultimately as a mother

Men makes themselves look attractive as a mate by appearing physically accomplished, and aspiring to be high earners, because thats what is needed to support the raising of children.


Pressures exist on both sides, because that's what survival entails. Society has just dressed it up so that made it appears more sophisticated and less overt.

Ultimately, life's purpose is to ensure that it continues. Think of it like that and everything makes sense.


However the roles for men and women in raising the next generation are different, and complementary. This is a principle that is apparrant throughout nature beyond humanity

The difference between men and feminists is that men mostly accept and welcome their role. Well, they used to.

Feminists talk about choice, but what they are saying is, we'll have the kids if and we when we want, on our own or with a man if we choose so..but then want tax-payer support for IVF when they've left it to late... then if they have them, they want to paid for having them, they then want governments and tax payers and private business to pay for the cost of caring for the kid after they're born so they can "have a career", over and above the costs of educating and keeping them healthy.

And then if a mother so chooses, out goes the father. She then dictates what if any relationship he can have with his children, she demands the bulk of joint property.

You talk of freeing women -and men from these expectations as being the true aim of feminism. Well that aim is at odds with a system for raising the next generation that seems to be natural. What we are then left with is endless cycle of problems to fix, all pushing the responsibility of raising kids onto someone else. The buck has to stop somewhere!

I feel sorry for today's young men-my son will be 18 in a few months. Why would anyone sign up to get fucked over in every aspect of their lives: emotional, financial, career, parenting. I am glad these discussions are happening. Men are finally waking up to it all, they're organising and they're learning to "play the game".

The pendulum has swung way too far and is due for correction.

Edited by stefcep: 5/12/2013 11:28:51 PM

Mainly religious based reasons.

Maintaining hygiene, a basic standard of beauty, having a baby at some point in their lives (Which is the womens job) in considered "unrealistic". ](*,)



"Disagreeing with me means that you just hate women!"

Edited by 433: 5/12/2013 08:52:48 PM

Sexual assault is a murky area, and I'm not going to open another can of worms here after unleashing the whole anti-feminism brigade on me (:P), but it is actually plausible! Not necessarily true that you were, but if someone took advantage of you in an intoxicated state then yeah- you may have been sexually assaulted :)

Men have beauty standards, but aren't punished as harshly for not attaining them. Having a rough face or a gut as a man damages your potential far less than as a woman. Plus, it is perfectly acceptable for a man to shave as much or as little of his body as he likes, whereas women are expected to remove body hair or be labelled ugly. Men can wear clothes that disguise their figure without being called frumpy. Men can wear thongs outside the beach/pool without being labelled white trash.

There is absolutely no way that men have it anywhere near as bad as women when it comes to expectations of beauty.


You know what ingrained means, right? It means established, deep rooted. There is an ingrained bias against women in the business world. Society has acknowledged this and attempted to weed it out, but the job isn't done.


You have emphatically shown that you have no respect for women.


Sorry, but society does. As soon as women are in a committed relationship the questions begin from family, extended family, friends and strangers: "So, when are you planning on having a baby then?"


There are two classic Simpsons moments that sum this up, one with Homer making the "whoosh" over his head and the other Rainier Wolfcastle dead-panning at the comedy night "Dat's the joke"

Women have to deal with the same issues as men on top of unrealistic societal expectation.

1) Men also have to maintain an accepted level of beauty.
2) The bias at work is not "ingrained", I have witnessed it first hand and from storys from family members.
3) I respect women's opinions, speak for yourself.
4) No one expects women to go through childbirth as soon as possible.
5) Men also try to earn a living.
6) Men also try and get an education
7) Men also try and maintain a family.
8) Men also try and maintain social circles.

But because they're women, they should not have to deal with problems men do right?

Well, this technically means I've been raped multiple times... :lol:

All this debate is making me hungry but thanks to feminism I have to make my own damn sandwich ffs

Do you think women should not be allowed to be the money maker?

Do you think women are inferior to men?

Do you think women as a whole want to be home-makers?

There are incentives to patriarchal institutions to hire women because there exists a traditional belief that they do not belong in the workforce, despite modern understanding that they are equally capable given the same opportunities.

Is it right for a man of colour to not be allowed to sit where he wants on the bus because he doesn't live 1000 miles southwest where he is liable to be lynched?

Is it therefore right to limit a woman's ability to work where she pleases because 15,000km away women aren't allowed to work at all?

It isn't actually easier to be a women in our society, but that doesn't mean it is actually easy to be a man. The grass is always greener, but when you have to constantly deal with social pressures about maintaing an accepted level of beauty, with ingrained bias at work (and as evidenced here, in society), with a lack of respect for your opinions, with an expectation to go through (the rather excruciating act of) childbirth as soon as possible ON TOP of trying to earn a living, get an education and maintain your family and social circles- which are burdens in themselves.

I'm not saying being born a man guarantees you a gold ticket to a fantastic, whirlwind orgy of a super-awesome life. It does give you advantages in our society though. You may still end up with shit on a stick, life sucks some times (and for some people, a lot of the time.)