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hi there found this site

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#a-league/2013/2014/luke_brattan/94/94/11104/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/mark_milligan/94/94/11167/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/mile_jedinak/64/64/5175/0/p#total_forward_passes/total_backward_passes/pass_completion/chances_created/tackles_won/interceptions/key_passes/defensive_errors/tackles_lost/errors_leading_to_goal/shot_accuracy/successful_take_ons/successful_take_ons_%/aerial_duels_won/aerial_duels_won_%/total_score/attack_score/defence_score/possession_score/blocks/clearances#avg


You can compare brattan and milligan (or any a league player) and just for reference mile jedinak

brattan is significantly superior to milligan in just about every way.

I want to compare some a league strikers
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apparently juric is the best attacking player out of troisi juric berisha (for reference) williams and taggart

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#a-league/2013/2014/adam_taggart/94/94/11210/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/tomi_juric/94/94/11319/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/james_troisi/94/94/3692/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/david_williams/94/94/11161/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/besart_berisha/94/94/11108/0/p#pass_completion/chances_created/key_passes/shot_accuracy/successful_take_ons/successful_take_ons_%/aerial_duels_won/aerial_duels_won_%/total_shots/attack_score/tackles_won#90

some of david williams stats are very impressive too

honestly I would consider all of them for brazil
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apparently david williams is strong passer and strong in defence which gives him the best overall rating. I must admit I'm surprised I haven't watched much of williams this year so he has slipped under the radar for me
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Interesting. Can you compare Ruben Zadkovich to a host of other midfielders for me?

Also Kew Jaliens to any other defender import?
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pv4 wrote:
Interesting. Can you compare Ruben Zadkovich to a host of other midfielders for me?

Also Kew Jaliens to any other defender import?


hi there here is zadkovich compared to brattan burns milligan and isaias

i think from this you could say that brattan would probably be a standard in the spanish second division

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#a-league/2013/2014/luke_brattan/94/94/11104/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/ruben_zadkovich/94/94/11199/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/jacob_burns/94/94/11224/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/isa%C3%ADas/94/94/11077/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/mark_milligan/94/94/11167/0/p#total_score/attack_score/defence_score/possession_score/pass_completion/key_passes/shot_accuracy/chances_created/total_duels_%/tackles_won/interceptions#90
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pv4 wrote:
Interesting. Can you compare Ruben Zadkovich to a host of other midfielders for me?

Also Kew Jaliens to any other defender import?


re kew jaliens

probably puts him in a bad light here comparing him to some of the best defenders in the league.
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#a-league/2013/2014/kew_jaliens/94/94/11191/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/matthew_spiranovic/94/94/11304/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/osama_malik/94/94/11076/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/pablo_contreras/94/94/9439/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/william_gallas/94/94/859/0/p#total_score/attack_score/defence_score/possession_score/pass_completion/key_passes/shot_accuracy/chances_created/total_duels_%/tackles_won/interceptions#90

Osama Malik apparently is one of the best performers in the league=d>
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Thanks mate

Also, everyone bow down to Rubez, and fix your attitudes on him ffs


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Milligan has outrageously poor stats according to that site. Expect much butthurt from jlm and most Victory fans.
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pv4 wrote:
Thanks mate

Also, everyone bow down to Rubez, and fix your attitudes on him ffs



yeah I noticed that one my jaw dropped lol

I think rubens problem is that when he makes a mistake it is worthy of an annual comedy reel and people dont realize that statistically he is actually above average for the a league and actually is more accurate than some other shooters in the a league

reminds me of contreras who gets a lot of unjustified flack imo

he is one of the best defenders in the league in an otherwise weak defence

Edited by grazorblade: 21/3/2014 02:23:45 PM
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comparing rogic with some other technical players in the league

rogic compares very favourably in his "disappointing return". The fact that his return has been disappointing at times shows just how darn good he is at his best

Del piero v rogic v ono v carrusca v broich

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#a-league/2013/2014/tomas_rogic/94/94/9302/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/alessandro_del_piero/94/94/11260/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/thomas_broich/94/94/11105/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/marcelo_carrusca/94/94/11078/0/p|a-league/2013/2014/shinji_ono/94/94/11314/0/p#total_score/attack_score/defence_score/possession_score/pass_completion/key_passes/shot_accuracy/chances_created/total_duels_%/successful_take_ons/successful_take_ons_%#90
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pv4 wrote:
Milligan has outrageously poor stats according to that site. Expect much butthurt from jlm and most Victory fans.


just compared to brattan imo I think he is well above average for the league
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Good stuff, Grazor. =d>

When comparing Brattan with Milligan, one needs to compare the players around them.

At this point in time a cogent argument can be made that Brattan, surrounded by back four Franjic (he plays RB), North , Smith and Stefanutto, and a midfield of McKay, Broich and Miller, has more experience, and possibly more talent, than Milligan's team-mates.

This can effect a player's stats.

Milligan is currently close to the best Socceroo, based on recent performances with the national team. This is not to say he is a particularly good player, probably a reasonable player on the world stage, who is one of the best we currently have. He may not be a good player compared to many of our opponents.

Spira struggled for J League time and Millsy played J League 2. This may demonstrate how far Japan is in front of us. It may also prove some of our players play better football in different circumstances - at home.
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or maybe certain players get the reality check they require
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pv4 wrote:
Milligan has outrageously poor stats according to that site. Expect much butthurt from jlm and most Victory fans.


zzz. Two completely different systems. Brattan plays as a solo holding midfielder doing ALL of the defensive work, Milligan plays alongside Broxham who has not to dissimilar stats to Brattan defensively whilst always playing as part of a two.

zzz.

Just look at Australia's last match to see how Milligan> any other Australian DM.
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jlm8695 wrote:
Just look at Australia's last match to see how Milligan> any other Australian DM.


Do you have a link to the stats for that game? And Socceroos appearances grouped together for stats?
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pv4 wrote:
jlm8695 wrote:
Just look at Australia's last match to see how Milligan> any other Australian DM.


Do you have a link to the stats for that game? And Socceroos appearances grouped together for stats?


http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=90583

You might have to ask Decentric for grouped together Socceroos stats. Also important to note I'm talking purely about Socceroos performances here, not club. Ange will have all of these stats and he must have a clear reason as to why Brattan isn't in the Socceroos squad.

I trust Ange, not stats that are dependant on an extreme number of variables.

Edited by jlm8695: 21/3/2014 03:46:33 PM
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Also, does anyone have any idea when the website was last updated?
Squawka: Brattan 1152 mins
Reality: 1991

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Decentric wrote:
Good stuff, Grazor. =d>

When comparing Brattan with Milligan, one needs to compare the players around them.

At this point in time a cogent argument can be made that Brattan, surrounded by back four Franjic (he plays RB), North , Smith and Stefanutto, and a midfield of McKay, Broich and Miller, has more experience, and possibly more talent, than Milligan's team-mates.

So we're playing that card now, at the start of the season almost every MV fan was chest beating about having the best squad in the league. :lol:
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RedKat wrote:
Would love to see one of:

Nikola Petkovic, Matt Smith, Kew Jaliens, Nikolai-Topor-Stanley and Michael Thwaite.


surprisingly thwaite comes out on top here
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Decentric wrote:

When comparing Brattan with Milligan, one needs to compare the players around them.

At this point in time a cogent argument can be made that Brattan, surrounded by back four Franjic (he plays RB), North , Smith and Stefanutto, and a midfield of McKay, Broich and Miller, has more experience, and possibly more talent, than Milligan's team-mates.

This can effect a player's stats.

Milligan is currently close to the best Socceroo, based on recent performances with the national team. This is not to say he is a particularly good player, probably a reasonable player on the world stage, who is one of the best we currently have. He may not be a good player compared to many of our opponents.

Spira struggled for J League time and Millsy played J League 2. This may demonstrate how far Japan is in front of us. It may also prove some of our players play better football in different circumstances - at home.


well surely milligans superiority would then show up in his defensive stats if he has a weaker team

No doubt milligan has done well for the roos but we won't know until brattan plays if club form would translate to international form. These stats would suggest that brattan is superior in just about every way (except blocked shots and aerial duels which arent too important against the opponents we usually face)

also milligan gets dribbled around a lot for the national team. One thing I have noticed is that defensive players in european clubs get dribbled around the least often in the top clubs compared to weaker clubs (i.e. this seems to be a key stat)

Milligan is an excellent player no doubt but its definitely food for thought just how well brattan is doing that he even outshades isaias who I rate as one of the best imports the a league has ever seen and was a strong player in the spanish second division before he came here iirc
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for those making teams I like
---------galekovic-------------
-franjic-malik-spira-zullo-
-----------brattan------------
---------mooy/antonis/mckay*--rogic-------
-williams--juric---troisi*/taggart

*first choice

This team is significantly better than the east asian cup squad from last year imo which is a sign of how much the league has improved. Every player listed has an argument to go to brazil as well as many other players not listed.
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